The Tea Party Strikes Again.

muttly

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Fox News has never won an award for journalism excellence, and until they start being a news organization instead of a comedy channel, they aren't likely to.

Fox News... Real Journalism. Fair and Balanced.

Now that's funny.
You just proved my case. They have some excellent reporting in their news reports, but since you don't like certain commentary shows, you make a blanket statement about Fox News all together . I'm sure anyone who votes for the awards has the same bias as well.
 

RLENT

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Yeah, 1.5M is nowhere near 10% of 7M or 8M.
Stop using that demented Texas Tea Party Selective Math:

ABC (7.2 million) + NBC (8.1 million) + CBS (6.0 million) = 21+ million

21+ million x .10 = 2.1 million

IOW: Not even 1/10th ...

Sorry, but really, really wanna can't help ya here ...
 
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Turtle

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You just proved my case. They have some excellent reporting in their news reports, but since you don't like certain commentary shows, you make a blanket statement about Fox News all together . I'm sure anyone who votes for the awards has the same bias as well.

That's the problem, they DON'T have some excellent news reporting in their news reports. It's far from excellent. It's mediocre at its best, and at its worst it's political commentary interspersed with or disguised as news. And that's not a bias, it's a fact.
 

RLENT

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Ewww. This has got to hurt. Hehe
LOL ... not really ... since the utterly gullible are often quite willing to place their trust in those that they shouldn't ...

It's that very thing that makes them utterly gullible ... ;)
 

muttly

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The 'Network News' should get more viewers. They usually have local news lead ins and have more accessible viewing for the general public than Cable News.
 

muttly

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Argumentum ad seriously?
I did have a hehe at the end. One point though,if some are going to criticize people for voting for Fox News as the 'most accurate' because they are lemmings. They should at least be consistent about the lemmings who handed out these 'prestigious' awards. They are just bias weighted,popularity contests.
 

muttly

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That's the problem, they DON'T have some excellent news reporting in their news reports. It's far from excellent. It's mediocre at its best, and at its worst it's political commentary interspersed with or disguised as news. And that's not a bias, it's a fact.
'They don't have SOME' says you. They don't even have any? The fact that you said this shows your bias.
 

LDB

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What was i thinking. I totally forgot the liberals go for the three against one system. I went with a one to one comparison like most thinking people would.
 

Turtle

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'They don't have SOME' says you. They don't even have any? The fact that you said this shows your bias.
No, they don't have any excellent reporting. The news they report, and I mean the actual Five Ws, not the news interspersed with opinion and bias, is not excellent at all. They offer nothing whatsoever that you don't get anywhere else. There is no investigative journalism, no independent sources or independent confirmations, it's the same mediocre news you get at the other news outlets. You can call that a bias if you like, but it's nevertheless a fact.
 

muttly

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No, they don't have any excellent reporting. The news they report, and I mean the actual Five Ws, not the news interspersed with opinion and bias, is not excellent at all. They offer nothing whatsoever that you don't get anywhere else. There is no investigative journalism, no independent sources or independent confirmations, it's the same mediocre news you get at the other news outlets. You can call that a bias if you like, but it's nevertheless a fact.
WOW, so let me get this right. Fox News has been around for 18 years . They have had hundreds of reporters and investigative journalists during that time . Probably have done hundreds of thousands of reports during that time. They couldn't have compiled at least ONE report worthy of a journalistic award.?
If that's true, it is one tremendous accomplishment. Either that, or the people doing the award giving can't stand Fox News also presenting the conservative side in their reporting. That's too much for them to handle, so they boycott giving them ANY Awards out of spite, forever . Double WOW.
 

RLENT

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What was i thinking. I totally forgot the liberals go for the three against one system. I went with a one to one comparison like most thinking people would.
Most thinking people would have responded to exactly what I wrote ... rather than create a response to an invention of their own ...

But then we all know some folks are ... special ... very special indeed ... lol ...
 
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RLENT

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I went with a one to one comparison like most thinking people would.
Of course, you understand the irony (and hypocrisy) with the above position don't you ?

Perhaps not ...

Well, it's that it's the you-know-who's ("conservatives") who are always comparing Fox News with the rest of the MSM, on a non-one-to-one basis ... ;)

Ergo ...
 
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Turtle

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WOW, so let me get this right. Fox News has been around for 18 years . They have had hundreds of reporters and investigative journalists during that time . Probably have done hundreds of thousands of reports during that time. They couldn't have compiled at least ONE report worthy of a journalistic award.?
Amazing, isn't it?

If that's true, it is one tremendous accomplishment. Either that, or the people doing the award giving can't stand Fox News also presenting the conservative side in their reporting. That's too much for them to handle, so they boycott giving them ANY Awards out of spite, forever . Double WOW.
I'll give those double WOWs right back for the nifty little either/or false dichotomy you've created there. Excellence in Journalism Awards aren't given out because they do or do not present a political point of view. In fact, a story presenting the "liberal side" is equally as unlikely to get an award as a story that presents the "conservative side" in the reporting. In order to be considered as Excellent in Journalism the reporting must meet certain criteria. And no, sorry to disappoint you, but "being liberal" isn't one of them.

People who want the truth from their news sources will look at those sources with skepticism. People who want to hear whatever makes them feel better will not, and they will even go as far as making an emotional investment in that source, and will defend it irrationally (as you are doing here and have done in the past). An emotional investment in a news source makes about as much sense as having an emotional investment in a particular brand of motor oil.

Back in the days before cable news we had, basically, ABC, NBC and CBS as our primary news sources. At that time you could watch all three networks report the same exact story, and each one of them would report the story differently. That's because each reporter (or team) investigated the story using their own sources and getting their own independent confirmations. Today things are very different. You watch the news same story on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox and they are all interchangeable, giving you the same facts presented in the same way. The only time they vary even a little bit is when they stray from the Five Ws and give you opinion, or tell you what to think of the story. This is not excellence in journalism, it's mediocre journalism at best.

You think Fox News is all that and a bag o' chips because you agree with their bias and because they're popular. That's fine. But it ain't excellent journalism. And that's a fact.
 

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Amazing, isn't it?

I'll give those double WOWs right back for the nifty little either/or false dichotomy you've created there. Excellence in Journalism Awards aren't given out because they do or do not present a political point of view. In fact, a story presenting the "liberal side" is equally as unlikely to get an award as a story that presents the "conservative side" in the reporting. In order to be considered as Excellent in Journalism the reporting must meet certain criteria. And no, sorry to disappoint you, but "being liberal" isn't one of them.

People who want the truth from their news sources will look at those sources with skepticism. People who want to hear whatever makes them feel better will not, and they will even go as far as making an emotional investment in that source, and will defend it irrationally (as you are doing here and have done in the past). An emotional investment in a news source makes about as much sense as having an emotional investment in a particular brand of motor oil.

Back in the days before cable news we had, basically, ABC, NBC and CBS as our primary news sources. At that time you could watch all three networks report the same exact story, and each one of them would report the story differently. That's because each reporter (or team) investigated the story using their own sources and getting their own independent confirmations. Today things are very different. You watch the news same story on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox and they are all interchangeable, giving you the same facts presented in the same way. The only time they vary even a little bit is when they stray from the Five Ws and give you opinion, or tell you what to think of the story. This is not excellence in journalism, it's mediocre journalism at best.

You think Fox News is all that and a bag o' chips because you agree with their bias and because they're popular. That's fine. But it ain't excellent journalism. And that's a fact.
What's irrational, is to think that the reason Fox News doesn't get ANY awards because they don't follow journalism principles. Others don't but still receive awards. So it must be something else. That something else is presenting the conservative side AS WELL in a story. Some are so resentful of this that they refuse to vote for ANYTHING from Fox News, yet they turn a blind eye when the bias is on their side. It's really what my point is about in selecting who gets awards.
Here is an example of people from the liberal side of news receiving an award. Check out the list. Practically everyone from the past 30 years is liberal. The Walter Cronkrite Award. You said yourself that the major news networks are all interchangeable. When they pass out this award however they clearly choose the lib for distinction.
Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism | The Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication
 

Turtle

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Man, you are really heavily invested, aren't you? You actually believe that Fox News is "Real Journalism" and that they're "Fair and Balanced." And you think the entire lib world is out to get 'em. You are so invested that you think not only is everyone on that list a lib, but they're on the list because they are liberal. I'm sure you think Bob Schieffer is a member of the mainstream media with a default liberal agenda, therefore ergo thus he is a liberal, a flaming one, a certified wacko leftist neo communist. And you'll dismiss that he graduated from Texas Christian University and is close friends with the Bush family, compared Harry Reid to Joseph McCarthy and often critizes Obama and his campaign. He works for CBS and that's all that matters, right? Schieffer is actually an old school journalist who's goals in his reporting are impartiality, not at all like the current crop journalist-activists weaned on Fox News and MSNBC.

Like I said, if you want to say that you like Fox News because they agree with you, that's fine, but please don't try and convince people that Fox News provides anything remotely akin to journalistic excellence, because they don't.
 
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