The Real Newt Gingrich

[Turtle]

Gingrich the Newt is a very, very distant cousin of Kermit the Frog, and made his television debut with Kermit on Larry King Live, in a special Christmas broadcast on December 23, 1994. Hailing from the Georgia swamplands, Gingrich is Speaker of the Swamp. He claims that swamp politics is filled with slugs, leeches, mud slingers, pond scum, and belly-crawling, cold-blood reptiles. Same as Washington, D.C.



(The muppet puppet used for Gingrich is, ironically, Leon, the morals-impaired lizard from The Jim Henson Hour.)

 

[RLENT]

People who whine about earmarks don't understand earmarks.

Not only that - they apparently don't understand the "space bar" on the their keyboard either ..... since most everything they type comes out looking like blocks of indecipherable hieroglyphics you'd see at Luxor, Egypt.

(Thankfully, they have at least figured out how to use the "return" key so that at least it's no longer one large, single block of hieroglyphics)

 

[RLENT]

Paul has no chance of getting the nod and some of you should accept this now so it is not so hard to take when it is givin to someone else.

Bubbula,

Lemme see if'n I can make this very plain for ya - if Paul don't get the nod, we ain't comin' to the party - therefore anything (else in the current neo-con field) y'all wanna nominate with an "R" after it's name is D.O.A..

In casin' y'all dunno what that means, it be DEAD ON ARRIVAL.

Apparently someone (Plush, Hannuty, or Marxist Levin) has been recently paying attention to what's going in the media with Paul's coverage and his support - the media is starting to "get it" in terms of the level of support and Paul's organization - and has alerted the troops. Either that ... or one y'all turned on the TV within the last 24. ...

This is likely why y'all be on here within the last 24, cryin' and whinin' - like a bunch of pre-schoolers who dumped in their drawers, large and wet, and whose mommies just dropped them off at daycare without cleanin 'em up:

Wah, wah ... Paul oughta drop out ! ..... Wah, wah .... Ban Paul from the Party !

I tell ya, I'm just laughin' my *** off .....

You see here is the thing for many people that dont like NEWT there are 20 times that, that dont like paul. Since 1997, he has acted as the primary sponsor of 422 bills. Just four of those have ever made it to the floor of the House for a vote with only one of them passing.

That don't like Paul where .... in Congress ?

ROTFLMAO .... take a look at what Congress' poll numbers are .... they're lower than Obama ..... so that's probably more to Paul's advantage than to his detriment.

Well Bubbie, all I can say is, apparently youse are havin' trouble with your math here chum (Hint: use the toes if you have to) .... the relevant number is not what you cite - but the fact that the Paul camp possesses enough support (that crosses into the middle) to deny the GOP a neo-con victory.

Dont belive me?

Don't believe me ?

Vote for Newt or Romney .... and see what happens then

You guys are screwed ... and some are apparently starting to wake up to the fact.

If paul did some how get the nod he would not stand a chance. Think about this for a minute and I mean really think about this. Here we have our first Black president. With Ron Paul we have the RACIST news letters.

Boobala,

You know what I did yesterday ?

I watched a couple of YouTubes videos from a couple different "guys" ..... from "down in the 'hood" ... you'd probably call 'em "thugs" and "gangsta's .... get my drift ?

Wanna know what they had to say ?

They supported Dr. Paul and/or denounced Obama ... they were aware of this crap ..... and saw it for what it was (BS) ....

You see, here's the thing .... people - as long as they are not thoroughly brainwashed by a political ideology - have a rather uncanny ability to detect and see honesty, sincerity, principles ..... and recognize those that possess them.

The converse of that is that they can also detect those that don't.

The above is why Dr. Paul has a fairly broad appeal - across party lines. (It's also why he terrifies some - he has integrity) I spend a good time of time reading the comments to articles on websites which are more left/liberal in order to get a sense of what those folks think. I don't comment myself. You might be surprised at the level of support out there - from people who voted for Obama, or are life-long democrats.

Most folks (men and women) just want a chance to get on with it, to do the best they can, have an honest shot at building their lives, raise a family, own property, etc.

IOW: Just Live

And they recognize that this is the case with the remainder of humanity as well. They see that they can have mutual interests and common goals. They see that their fellow man is not necessarily a threat to them.

This differs substantially from those that have been infected with the neo-con virus and suffer from that malady - these folks tend view the remainder of their fellow man as a absolutely terrifying threat to their survival - this ranges from poor people, people of different colors, liberals, people of different religions (even when it's just a variation of their own), conservatives, Hispanics, people that speak different languages, the Russians, law professors, the people from south of the border, falafel vendors, people from north of the border, the Chinese, and on and on and on .....

All threat .... all the time .....

These pitiful folks live their lives in a continual, apparently never-ending state of mortal fear ..... unaware that it is their own mindset and actions, and the actions that they advocate others take, that actually makes the world a more dangerous place.

It's a sickness of the mind.

Frankly, I never thought that I'd see such a substantial portion of the American people .... sink to such a level of cowardice ....

Maybe it's time they grow a spine .... and join the rest of us.

 

[davekc]

Gingrich is ahead in most polls but I doubt he will be able to hold it. As boring as he is, I don't think I would count Romney out only because he has deep pockets and hasn't really tapped much of it yet.
Have to admit, I like the Obama-Lite comparison.

 

[RLENT]

Gingrich is ahead in most polls but I doubt he will be able to hold it. As boring as he is, I don't think I would count Romney out only because he has deep pockets and hasn't really tapped much of it yet.

I don't think Dr. Paul is.

As you point out, having the coin is a very big deal - because it allows you to essentially bypass the news media - which can be instrumental in getting your message out, if you aren't getting coverage, or aren't getting the kind of coverage you want. In the Mittster's case, it's more the latter than the former - until recently he's avoided interviews, preferring to lay low and rely on the media talking his candidacy up, as the presumed "front-runner" in news coverage.

It's understandable that he would do so - given that he is prone to bristling up and getting a little hostile in a tough interview - refer to Fox's Brent Baier interview of him - which Mitter actually complained to Fox about afterwards (which then of course got reported )

For Mittens though, it is a double-edged sword - due to fact of how he's raised his money. Romney's money has pretty much come from large donations from well-heeled fat cats.

Dr. Paul on the other hand has raised his money from many, many individuals donors (the most of any campaign) in small donations.

Speaking of which, tomorrow (Friday, December 16th) is the Boston Tea Party anniversary Ron Paul Money Bomb Day - 238 years after the original Tea Party, that occurred on December 16, 1773

Donations can be made at:

Ron Paul 2012 Official Campaign Website

Have to admit, I like the Obama-Lite comparison.

Yup ..... it is what it is

 

[aristotle]

Turning on the news this morning, one thing is clear: the Republican Establishment is coalescing around Mitt Romney. Especially, those pundits and professional hacks from the Northeast are attacking Newt with a vengance.

The Establishment has decided now is the time to take Newt down before his support becomes unstoppable. If Newt survives this onslaught by his colleagues, he owes nothing to the Northeastern Republican camp.

It is disappointing to watch Republicans eat their own again. I have yet to meet anyone excited about electing Mitt Romney.

 

[davekc]

That I think will be the downfall of Gingrich. Unless he gets a big influx of cash, I don't think he can stop the Romney machine.
Just too many things to defend and that usually requires many dollars.

 

[RLENT]

Turning on the news this morning, one thing is clear: the Republican Establishment is coalescing around Mitt Romney. Especially, those pundits and professional hacks from the Northeast are attacking Newt with a vengance.

Apparently, they are a more practical people, who actually want to have some remote chance of winning the election ..... unlike their Lizard™-supporting brethren, who are the ideological equivalent of a right-wing Republican Taliban ....

The Establishment has decided now is the time to take Newt down before his support becomes unstoppable. If Newt survives this onslaught by his colleagues, he owes nothing to the Northeastern Republican camp.

Ya know .... ya really hafta wonder why anyone would support a candidate who self-admittedly says (this morning) that he's still acting like a fool:

Newt Gingrich: 'Foolish on my part'

Yup - that's exactly what we need ... a fool who lacks the self-control to keep himself from being one .....

It is disappointing to watch Republicans eat their own again.

I'll bet .....

..... not that you would have any personal responsibility yourself in the matter ....

I have yet to meet anyone excited about electing Mitt Romney.

Well, I could tell ya where to go if you want to meet up with some folks who are excited about electing their candidate ....

 

[greg334]

Turning on the news this morning, one thing is clear: the Republican Establishment is coalescing around Mitt Romney. Especially, those pundits and professional hacks from the Northeast are attacking Newt with a vengance.

I think this proves the point we are making, they can't get a grip on things well enough to know that they have an unwinnable candidate.

 

[hossman2011]

Ron Paul has some very good philosophies that are excellent... His smaller government ideas and economic ideas are what this country needs. My main issue with him is his foreign policy.. he has none!! We are already dealing with a buffoon that is giving in to the whims of everyone. Ron paul just wants to live within his four walls and pretend there are no boogey men out there... I am confident that Newt would provide that attitude needed to portray the world leader role that is needed to taken seriously... Someone said previously that Newt has no plan for the economy.. I am thinking that they really need to do a little more research and find out what the extensive plan is that he has for shrinking the government and controlling spending, to balance the budget and shrink the deficit. Without being able to CONTROL or heavily influence countries like China, Saudi Arabia and Iran the economy has less of a chance to turn around.. Ron Paul is definitely not that man.

 

[tbubster]

People who whine about earmarks don't understand earmarks. Taking that money "back to Texas" is a very good way to put it, since that money was taken from Texans by the federal government in the first place. Earmarked money is money that has already been allocated and will be spent by someone. The money will be spent by someone. That is an absolute. There is no way around it. And the money earmarked in no way adds to the debt. Rather than let some other congressman in some other state spend the money of his Texas constituents, Ron Paul chooses to take that money back from the government to be spent in Texas. And you have a problem with that? Seriously?

What my problem with it is he is no different then the rest of them.He says one thing and does another.You all use him voteing no on these bills to give him cult like status.To say he is the only real Conservative.While refusing to see that he does in fact have his hand in the piggy bank just like the rest of them.And the money earmarked in no way adds to the debt.News flash this country is running on borrowed money.Every dollar spent is adding to our debt

Yes I have a problem with that!!Seriously!!!!!!

 

[greg334]

Ron Paul has some very good philosophies that are excellent... His smaller government ideas and economic ideas are what this country needs.

OK...

My main issue with him is his foreign policy.. he has none!!

Actually he has a very good one, you should read in detail of his idea and what it means to us in the bigger picture.

We are already dealing with a buffoon that is giving in to the whims of everyone.

We have since Carter.

Not one president since ... well Hoover has been US first president. This may be a shock to most who may not see it that way, even Reagan was more worried about the Soviets and Poland than his own country.

Ron paul just wants to live within his four walls and pretend there are no boogey men out there...

Not really, his position as it is with many who think in the same way is to build the country up from the inside which includes a strong economy and not spend the money we need on things that help other countries do their job.

I am confident that Newt would provide that attitude needed to portray the world leader role that is needed to taken seriously...

Actually not really. I and many others know more about his personality which tend to be a bit childish at times, he has a temper and says rather stupid things - look back at this time in congress to see what I mean.

Someone said previously that Newt has no plan for the economy..

I can't find one that isn't a copy of some reaganistic plan.

I am thinking that they really need to do a little more research and find out what the extensive plan is that he has for shrinking the government and controlling spending, to balance the budget and shrink the deficit.

Then if he has had one, why didn't he introduce that plan when it mattered most, in the clinton years?

He was speaker of the house - right?

Without being able to CONTROL or heavily influence countries like China, Saudi Arabia and Iran the economy has less of a chance to turn around..

How's that?

We don't influence anyone, any more - doesn't anyone get that?

China doesn't listen to us, look what happened when Gietner was in China telling people not to worry about the dollar, he was laughed at, not behind his back but to his face. China controls the relationship between us, and unless we take serious action to make serious changes, we will have to put up with that.

Saudi Arabia is another China, we owe them and they will use us unless we get strong quick.

Iran?

What does Iran have to do with our economy?

Other than invoking a panic in wall street and making stocks go down - not the end of the world.

Ron Paul is definitely not that man.

Well I think he is, not completely convinced but comparing the others, he seems to be a lot better than Romney and Gingrich.

The first thing that many don't seem to get is our economy is screwed up by the feds, and in order to get out of the situation, things like social security and other social programs need to be looked at and cut back drastically. IF this means that someone who makes $50k from his pension doesn't get a government check, so be it because it is needed. The same goes for the spending on DHS, DOE and the other DOE. Cut it all back, lower the debt and lets get back to where we should be.

 

[RLENT]

Ron Paul has some very good philosophies that are excellent... His smaller government ideas and economic ideas are what this country needs. My main issue with him is his foreign policy ..... he has none!! Ron paul just wants to live within his four walls and pretend there are no boogey men out there ...

Not true at all .... maybe you should edu-ma-cate yourself to what the traditional conservative foreign policy actually was (see my post of the article by Drew Walker in the why ron paul thread) ..... before the neo-con monster rose from the depths of the Marxist/Trotskyist/Socialist swampland ...

Or you can just toss the Constitution and the admonitions of The Founders under the bus and run with the ideology that came from former (supposedly ) Commies .....

Either way, we'll know who you really are ....

We are already dealing with a buffoon that is giving in to the whims of everyone.

Yup - just ask Bin Laden .... I hear Obama is putting him up at Club Med with a full buffet access 24/7 .....

I am confident that Newt would provide that attitude needed to portray the world leader role that is needed to taken seriously ...

Oh yeah ..... sure he will:

Someone said previously that Newt has no plan for the economy ......

Newt has all kinds of plans for e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g ... and if he don't, give him a sec and he'll pop one out ..... and that's the scary part ....

..... pseudo-intellectual diarrhea ..... at it's very finest ....

I am thinking that they really need to do a little more research and find out what the extensive plan is that he has for shrinking the government and controlling spending, to balance the budget and shrink the deficit.

Only if they haven't already made the observation that this nimrod can spew out all sorts of crap .... it's a bug, not a feature ....

Without being able to CONTROL or heavily influence countries like China, Saudi Arabia and Iran the economy has less of a chance to turn around ..... Ron Paul is definitely not that man.

..... exactly .... Ron Paul definitely ain't that man ... leaving aside the fact that the remainder of your premise is absolutely and entirely misguided, and against the advice of the Founding Fathers .....

Your premise, however, is exactly what the ideology of Soviet Stalinist Communism espouses though .... but mebbe that's just what you're looking for

 

[aristotle]

I am much more disgusted with the Republican Establishment than with Ron Paul. At this moment, the Northeastern elites have brought out the long knives for Newt Gingrich. Newt helped rebuild the GOP during the 1980's and 1990's. Instead of thanking Newt for resurrecting a dead party, the liberal Republicans are determined to place one of their own, Romney, as the GOP nominee. We just went through this same exercise four years ago with John McCain.

One can see regionalism at work here. We southern conservatives cannot stomach the northern moderates and liberals. Northern Republicans look down their collective noses at southern and rural conservatives. The two factions have real difficulty coexisting in the same party. So long as the GOP Establishment continues to write off the South, the Republican Party cannot win a national election. The South is the power base of the GOP and the Northeastern elites resent this fact. The southern conservatives will not turn out in sufficient numbers on Election Day for Mitt Romney. We should brace ourselves for four more years of Obama.

 

[RLENT]

Apparently Rassmussen has a new poll out that seemingly confirms a 12 point drop in the Newtser's support in Iowa:

"In mostly private conversations, well-connected Iowa Republicans say they have sensed a drop-off in support for Gingrich in the last few days. (See Signs of Gingrich slipping in Iowa?) "People are saying OK, let's reassess this," one insider says of voter opinion on Gingrich. "Is this really a decision we want to make? What I'm hearing is thinking about the general election and the unpredictable nature of him as our nominee. I don't have any empirical data to back it up, but it's just a feeling I've gotten in the last 24 hours."​

New Poll: Dramatic drop in Gingrich support in Iowa

 

[Turtle]

The problem with the Republican Establishment is that they are The Establishment, and voters want not-The-Establishment. That's why Obama got the nod over Hilary, because she was part of the Establishment, too. Turns out, of course, that Obama was borne out of and steeped deeply in The Establishment, so the voters got hoodwinked.

Newt has brilliantly convinced people for decades that he's a Conservative. Yet, as always, and as people so often fail to do, people should pay attention to what an elected official does, and not what they say. Newt has voted conservatively on three or four conservative issues, but the other ninety bazillion he's pure socialist. His problems of ambiguously moral choices of getting into bed with women other than his wife are irrelevant when compared to his long-time political nooners and sleepovers with Nancy Pelosi.

The Republican Establishment know they can't win with Newt, so they will be dismissing him in favor of someone not-Newt, the same way that voters wanted someone not-Bush in the last election. Doesn't matter who it is, so long as it's not-Newt. The problem is, they are left with Romney and Perry, neither of whom can beat Obama, because neither are not enough of not-The-Establishment. If someone other than Paul gets the nomination, the party loyalists will blindly vote along the party line, as they always do, but the critical 20% of Independents and non-loyalists will vote the status quo (meaning - Obama) and hope they can accomplish some good through Congress. They will vote for the lesser of two evils and will, in the end, elect Obama once again.

However, if Paul gets the nod, then he will draw most of the 20%, plus many who are disillusioned with Obama, plus the party loyalists, and will beat Obama, because he represents not-The-Establishment better than anyone else.

 

[AMonger]

Ron Paul or not at all.

If it ain't Ron Paul, it may as well be Obama.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[RLENT]

With Ron Paul we have the RACIST news letters.

"These allegation was lobbed back in 2008 when Ron Paul was beginning to get some attention. At that time, Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment."

 

[hossman2011]

Ofcourse he is going to drop in the polls..... nobody could maintain such a lead so early... As for RELENT I am sure you have spent way to much time alone stewing in your self pity to understand the reality of the political scene today... REAGAN commanded respect from every world leader including Gorbachov ... because they all knew he would not tolerate nonsense... For relent to even suggest that my opinion is based in communist socialism is at best laughable and cloistered in deranged rhetoric! I would contend that you use your arguments for anything that does not agree with you instead of having educated reasonable responses. It does make arguing easier by far... I would contend also that you are as much of a liberal socialist as any.... Yes Ron Paul does want to fix this country from the inside out but that is not enough to get the job done... way to simplistic which is why I am sure you like and completely agree with him.... newt intends to take the same approach as well as working on our place in the world order... As far as his temper and childish behavior.... I guess his previous stint in congress could have been seen as such at times.... but again based on narrow minded thinking... the problem was he was frustrated with the narrow minded people that run this government... Lets not forget the Contract with america that balanced the budget and the fact that while working with clinton worked in a bipartisan way to make that happen... what else you got?

 

[tbubster]

That I think will be the downfall of Gingrich. Unless he gets a big influx of cash, I don't think he can stop the Romney machine.
Just too many things to defend and that usually requires many dollars.

In just one year in the 08 elections romeny raised more money then any other candidate.For most of the time he was in the race he was considered a top-tier candidate.In Iowa he spent like five or six times the ammount of money then Huckabee yet still lost there.Same in New Hampshire were he lost to McCain.He spent more money then the rest of the candidates did and still dropped out.Why is it he droped out with haveing raised the most money because people see him as being to liberal.Also some should look at who all was endorsing mitt back then.There were alot of people on the nantional level who were endorsing him yet he still did not have what it takes.

In 07 McCain had a very hard time raising cash for his campaign.We seen major campaign staff leave which led to many people to belive he would drop out of the race due to lack of money yet he would go onto win the republican nominationYou see it can and has been done with out having the most money.


No matter what any of us think about it most of america see washington as broken and not being able to work together.Most of america thinks washington needs to work together to start fixing the problems we have in this country.And for millions of people Newt has a proven track record of being able to get this done.

Yes there are attacks from GOP groups against one candidante that support another.This is part of the primaries.Yet as soon as people start voteing and winners and losers come out most of those groups will get behind a new candidate.And by the time someone gets the nomination we will see the inter party attacks stop.Its just the way it works.There are some who are trying to make this out as something new and deadly for the GOP yet the same happens on the democratic side when there is a republican in the white house.

You see some of the people endorsing Mitt are hopeing he gets the nod because he is so liberal that they think this will win over voters that voted for Obama in 08.However will not be the case.

The thing that some dont seem to get is that unlike in 08 Obama has a real record that can and will be used against him.In 08 it was alot of hype because he was a slick talker and was beliveable to a great many independent and unhappy republican voters.This time those same voters know what Obama is really all about.Obama talked about all this hope and change and people were in awe of him.This time not so much The only change they have seen is it get worse for millions of americans and america go deeper in debt to china.Gone are the speechs about washington has to stop writing checks they cant cash.Gone are the promises to end home foreclosures,Gone are the promises to end the tax cuts for the rich,Gone are the promises to make it against the law companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses.Gone is the promise of if you elect Bracak Obama it will not be business as usaul(can anyone say Solyndra)Heres a big one Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center.Centralize ethics and lobbying information for voters(can you say ACORN)Here is perhaps the biggest one gone
Allow five days of public comment before signing bills.(ObamaCare)You see it does not matter what anyone says it is not the Same Obama as we had in 07/08

Perhaps the funnist thing to me is how we have been told over and over on here by a few that the president has no real power when it comes to changing how things get done yet it is those same people who want us to belive that if PAUL were elected then he somehow would have the power to fix things?The man has been in washington for 30 plus years and gets almost no bills even heard on the floor yet you all think he will beable to lead us out of this.