The Duggars

[paullud]

So you think the gay baker should be compelled to bake a cake with an anti-gay marriage message on it? Why or why not?

I would say that they shouldn't be forced to do something against their will or something that they feel might hurt their business. Let's say that this gay baker wants to market themselves as a gay wedding specialist. They could end up having that reputation ruined simply by some random strangers clicking "Like" on a picture of the cake on Facebook.

 

[Windsor]

No the gay baker shouldn't be compelled to back the cake with that message on it. But the strieght costumer should be able to receive service at the bakery. The bakery I've gone to for yrs probably would do a cake for me with a naked woman on it but they would still bake me a cake.

 

[Turtle]

No the gay baker shouldn't be compelled to back the cake with that message on it. But the strieght costumer should be able to receive service at the bakery. The bakery I've gone to for yrs probably would do a cake for me with a naked woman on it but they would still bake me a cake.

Well, in this case, the gay baker agreed to bake them a cake, in the shape of a bible, no less, but drew the line at putting the anti-gay message on the cake.

It's the same as the Christian baker who will bake the gay couple a cake, no problem, but draws the line at creating the pro-gay marriage message.

The gay baker and the anti-gay marriage message, that's an actual case in Denver right now.

 

[cheri1122]

Actors aren't forced to say things against their will. They just don't accept the role. There's no point in going any farther as it's hopeless.

Actors accept the role because it's their job to speak lines they may or may not believe or agree with, and everyone knows it's not their own personal opinion or morals.
Any actor who refuses to recite dialogue he doesn't believe in will need to have a Plan B, because acting isn't going to pay the bills.
Projecting one's personal beliefs [angels! Hell! reincarnation!] into a workplace is inappropriate. Personal beliefs can run free and unfettered on personal time, or one can find a job that encourages or allows their expression, because: America!

 

[cheri1122]

Well, in this case, the gay baker agreed to bake them a cake, in the shape of a bible, no less, but drew the line at putting the anti-gay message on the cake.

It's the same as the Christian baker who will bake the gay couple a cake, no problem, but draws the line at creating the pro-gay marriage message.

The gay baker and the anti-gay marriage message, that's an actual case in Denver right now.

The gay baker is in the wrong for interjecting his personal opinion into the transaction. His job is to decorate cakes, as requested by the customer, unless it's illegal. Expressing an opinion [as the anti gay message does] is not illegal.
Can someone hired to translate refuse to express opinions he personally finds offensive?

 

[Turtle]

The gay baker is in the wrong for interjecting his personal opinion into the transaction. His job is to decorate cakes, as requested by the customer, unless it's illegal. Expressing an opinion [as the anti gay message does] is not illegal.

Baking a cake is a service, but decorating a cake is inherently an artistic expression.

Forcing a gay baker to decorate a cake with an anti same sex marriage expression is forcing the baker to be an active participant in promoting political speech and ideas. That's compelled speech, and is an obscene mockery of freedom and personal liberty.

Can someone hired to translate refuse to express opinions he personally finds offensive?

Of course they can, but if they are merely translating, they aren't expressing an opinion of their own, and are not held accountable for the opinions they translate regardless.

 

[asjssl]

A Jewish triage nurse looks down to white skin head with swastika all over his body...he is needing medical attention. .she is not happy or comfortable. .but she does it..it's her job. .and nothing more offensive to a single person than swastika & Jews. So having to bake and decorate a cake for a gay couple seems petty...

 

[asjssl]

It's the hypocrisy. .if this baker was true to his relegion and morals as they CLAIM...then there would be no cakes for the 2,3,4 ...marriage. .etc...and this is what stops production..it is the picking and choosing that pisses people off

 

[Turtle]

Is the gay baker having to bake an anti gay marriage cake for a Christian couple just as petty?

If the Jewish nurse was a Jewish tattoo artist instead (and wouldn't that be hilarious) and was asked to put the tattoos on said skinhead, then you'd have a valid analogy.

 

[asjssl]

It's about doing your job...nurses job to treat...cake decorator decorating ...it's the Willie nillie pick and choose what's against the bible that's bs..all or none

 

[Turtle]

It's about doing your job...nurses job to treat...cake decorator decorating ...it's the Willie nillie pick and choose what's against the bible that's bs..all or none

No, it's about free speech. I'll ask you again, should the gay baker be forced to bake a cake with an anti gay marriage message on it?

 

[asjssl]

It's his job. ..so yes...the gay baker is also not cherry picking his beliefs to what suits him and popular opinion of the day.

 

[asjssl]

So if religious freedom is the claim...why is it just the gays there crying about...there baking cakes for 2,3,4,... marriages. .adulterers...

 

[Turtle]

It's his job. ..so yes...the gay baker is also not cherry picking his beliefs to what suits him and popular opinion of the day.

Wow. So you have no problem with the state compelling speech. That's one seriously slippery slope right there.

Baking a cake and putting icing on it is their job. Being compelled to put a specific expression is not.

 

[Turtle]

So if religious freedom is the claim...why is it just the gays there crying about...there baking cakes for 2,3,4,... marriages. .adulterers...

I don't know. For all I know they are refusing to bake cakes for second, third and fourth weddings. In any case, if they bake wedding cakes for a living, they shouldn't be refusing to bake wedding cakes for any, including gay weddings. Now, putting a specific message on a cake, that's a different thing altogether.

Wait... They have cakes celebrating adultery?

 

[LDB]

Oh yes, hypocrisy by the baker of course since it's just as blatantly obvious by looking at them that when Fred and Mary come in to order a wedding cake that it's their second marriage as it is when Fred and Sam come in to order a wedding cake that they are same sex.

 

[paullud]

So if religious freedom is the claim...why is it just the gays there crying about...there baking cakes for 2,3,4,... marriages. .adulterers...

Where do you see bakers making cakes that celebrate polygamy or divorce and adulterers that then refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

 

[asjssl]

Oh yes, hypocrisy by the baker of course since it's just as blatantly obvious by looking at them that when Fred and Mary come in to order a wedding cake that it's their second marriage as it is when Fred and Sam come in to order a wedding cake that they are same sex.

Guaranteed If told. ..nobody would say a word..and take the money.

 

[Windsor]

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[witness23]

How 'bout this?

That crying "waaa baby" Christian should stop whining about how he's being persecuted and use the situation to do what Christ commands and Evangelize to the gay couple.......then do everyone a favor and shut up and bake/decorate the friggen' cake and be done with it.