Suggestion Box Thread

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
We have the new sleeping/in service macro coming in the pipeline.

Does this mean people would not be called while they were sleeping in service? If so on the surface it sounds like a great idea but I have to say I see a huge potential for abuse especially when people are in the Detroit area. I guess with all things we have to weigh the good with the bad but it would concern me.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The idea of sending a Macro for "available-out of truck" is truly complicating the simple, at least at Load 1. Like OVM said, just tell Jeremy to stop doing that, and the problem is solved.

It boils down to which method you want to use as the primary way of communicating loads and load offers to drivers: via the phone, or via the QC. It must be 100% consistent one or the other, no mix and match allowed.

At Panther, for example, the primary method of offering a load is via the QC. The load offer is sent, and the driver has 10 minutes to respond, to accept or reject. If the driver accepts the load via the QC, it's off to the races. If they decline the offer, Dispatch moves on to the next truck with the same load offer. Often there is no phone made, or necessary, in either case.

If there is no response at all from the driver, dispatch may call to follow up, or they may simply place you OOS for failure to respond, especially if they do call and you don't answer the call, either. They don't know if you are dead or alive, but in either case you're not available for a load, so OOS you go.

This assumed your service status is simply, "Available".

Panther has several options for In-Service (and Out-of-Service). For In-Service:
Available
Available-Out of Truck on Pager
(obviously a holdover from a different epoch)
Available-Sleeping
Available-34 Hour Restart


Available means you are in the truck, available and ready for a load. The Load Offer will be sent via the QC and you respond. You may or may not get a call. If you get a call, in addition to the QC beep, consider yourself lucky.

Available-Out of Truck on Pager means you're available, but not necessarily in the truck. With that type of In-Service status, dispatch will send the load offer to the QC and at the same time call you up to give you the load offer over the phone.


Now, at Load 1, the primary method of communicating loads is via the telephone. So it doesn't matter if you are in or out of the truck. You can be in the truck or out of the truck, and you'll get a call regardless. So something like "Available-Out of Truck on Pager" is redundant, thoroughly unnecessary, and only adds to the possibility of confusion. Keep it simple.

If Load 1 went to the QC as being the primary method of communicating loads offers, then the entire way Operations performs its duties would have to be changed. There can be no more, "I'm going to bid on this load if you want it. Do you want it?" Loads would have to be bid, won, and then booked first, and then offered via the QC. Load offers would have to be complete, with all necessary information, including the pay. Operations would also have to allow and be prepared for the driver to accept or reject the load for any reason, or no reason.

While that model works for Panther (and, of course, a few other carriers), it seems like an awful lot of "make work" for Load 1. Not very efficient, IMHO. It's not very doable at Load 1 in particular because of the sheer number of loads where we barely, if that, have enough time to make the pickup time. <snort>

The only exception to this is the "Available-Sleeping" status, which is very helpful to both dispatch and drivers alike. It's one of the few things for which I can give Panther high praise. It lets the drivers remain In-Service so as to not lose board position or dwell time, while at the same time getting much needed rest. It allows dispatch to know with a high degree of certainty when the driver will be available for the next load, and to not bother the driver (or waste their own time) with a load that the driver is unlikely to be able to accept. It also allows dispatch to book loads, now, for a sleeping driver for when the driver will be awake and ready. Driver goes Available-Sleeping at 9AM with a return time of 5PM. At 11AM dispatch gets a load that doesn't pick up until 6PM, and they can call the driver (albeit waking them up) to see if they would like the load at 6PM, rather than having to refuse the load from the customer, or wait until 5PM to see if the driver wants the load.

So, at Load 1, you've got your basic In-Service status to be
Available
Available-Sleeping
Available-34 Hour Restart

If you're at home and need to run some errands, or go to sleep, and you don't want to go OOS, you can use the Available-Sleeping for that.

I do think that when you go Available-Sleeping and enter your return time, the entered return time of not-more-than 12 hours in length should be implemented, to prevent abuse of both dwell time (board position) and of Layover Pay (as xiggi notes). Otherwise, there will be people who will go home on a Friday night with no intention of running a load over the weekend, and will go Available-Sleeping Friday night with a return time of Monday morning, thereby keeping their dwell time and board position, and collecting Layover Pay when they are, in effect, OOS. People are people. They'll abuse it.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Nice Turtle...only one error I see in all that....you can't collect layover if you are within 200 miles of home..
 

Wolfeman68

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
The old mac 24 had the option of setting your return to service time in it. It didn't always work, but it was useful in giving dispatch an idea of your status.

The issue is losing your idle time. Mac 23 puts you o/s regardless of the reason and your idle time is gone. I don't think you should be o/s when sleeping. For those who log, it's like you're being penalized for following DOT regs.

The only mac that I see that would be needed would be one stating you're sleeping and for how long. Any other status information could be handled using a freeform message.

Regardless, people will abuse anything.

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Jenny

Veteran Expediter
At TS we had an "on break" macro. After 10 hours you were placed as available. No loss of idle time.



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xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I saw where turtle sugested a 12 hour limit on in service sleeping. I do understand his reasoning. IMHO 11 is much to long and would allow mass abuse when at the yard. I would suggest more like 4 hours otherwise go out of service. I say this knowing that people have even abused the out of service status to get better loads but there is only so much you can do. Mankind will allways find ways to use loopholes to their advantage.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
4 hours? That pretty much defeats the entire purpose of "Available-Sleeping". People need to be able to get a decent amount of sleep without being penalized by losing their board position. At the same time, once they are back "In-Service: Available", then they are ready for a load, able to commit to whatever is offered. That's not going to happen after 4 hours and one minute of sleep.

Most people most of the time aren't going to go Available-Sleeping for 12 hours, but it's there if they need it. Most will simply put 6 or 8 or whatever they need in there for the return time. Allowing 12 hours would give people time to get 8 or 9 hours of sleep, a little more if needed to recover from a long load, and then get themselves up, get good and awake, maybe grab a shower and something to eat, have a little down time before being ready to commit to another load. If they use 12 hours and are ready to come back after 8 or 9, they can simply send a Macro to change their status from Sleeping to Available.

Those who abuse OOS and Sleeping to get better loads are for the most part fooling themselves, but regardless, they can be easily spotted and dealt with individually. Reliable is as reliable does, and if they are not reliable they will be dealt with accordingly. No mercy.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I stated im my post I understood your reasoning, no thesis needed. :)

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xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Is there any truth to the rumor Ovm has requested an in service/posting macro?

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I stated im my post I understood your reasoning, no thesis needed. :)
The thesis was just my way of saying I don't understand the rationale behind '4 and out' and that '4 and out' is virtually the same thing as no Available-Sleeping status at all.

I freely admit to not having a clue how one can use or abuse OOS or Available-Sleeping to get better loads while at the yard. If you are unavailable you don't get loads, if you are available you do. That's as far as I can figure it out. Clearly, either I'm not spending nearly enough time at the yard, or there are those who spend far too much time there, I don't know which.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It is and will be abused but not something I wish to make public here. Like I said it is just human nature for some to find loopholes no matter what is done.

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Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Steve makes a good point in that the macro would be very beneficial for those running logs.

One consideration would be that for those running logbooks, they need 10 hrs of downtime to stay legal. That's probably where the limit actually needs to be.

In the case of an accident, having less than 10 hrs as a limit might have some liability associated with it ??

I do agree that everything always gets manipulated and abused. Some limitation would help to keep it in check.
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
And at the end of Available-Sleeping I hope the system reverts back to Available. I might want to sleep in.

eb
 

scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I really like the way it currently stands. Nothing beats a phone call, if you need a few minutes to get ready or whatever, that's the time to discuss it with dispatch. I'd hate to see us revert to FedEx and what sounds like Panthers systems. It really seems like we're trying to complicate things.
As always, IMHO. YMMV.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I really like the way it currently stands. Nothing beats a phone call, if you need a few minutes to get ready or whatever, that's the time to discuss it with dispatch. I'd hate to see us revert to FedEx and what sounds like Panthers systems. It really seems like we're trying to complicate things.
As always, IMHO. YMMV.

I told ovm the same thing today on the phone. Each of these things can have its benefit, but over time they build into a massive pile of policies that I truly hope we dont see here.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I really don't see much of a downside to an Available-Sleeping status.
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Available-Sleeping simplifies something that is already going on with the freeform macro. As the company grows, which it is doing, processes are going to have to be automated. Fortunately we are working with a company that is good at implementing progress.

eb
 
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