Falligator
Expert Expediter
Didn't smoke til I was 21. Smoked for 8 years and quit cold turkey. "Got too **** expensive" Problem is....now I find myself gettin fatter...."If the smoke don't kill ya, then the truckstop food will."
SMOKERS, For your consideration
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
So which is it, Layout? Do you not want the government involved, or do you want your wife to suffer? Don't think I'm bashing your wife here, but there are many, many different allergies. As a society, we're trying to ban everything that disturbs certain ones. Peanuts in school is a prime example. Others, like allergy to car exhaust, are just left alone for the greater good.
What I'm getting at is that it used to be that ppl with allergies had to stay away from what they were allergic to. Now we're ALL being forced, in one way or another, to deal with someone else's problem. We are ALL changing the way WE live, because someone else is offended. Same thing... offensive or allergic. Both equate to political correctness whittling away at our lives at the behest of someone else's discomfort.
Just remember... for one to be given rights, someone else has theirs taken away. Humble... I hope you remember that when some snob wants a new found right at the expense of yours, and pushes for a law. Democracy has a funny way of doing things to normally peaceful ppl. They gain something called moral superiority, and start legislating other ppl's lives when they get 50%+1. I heard someone say "The perfect democracy is when 4 pedophiles and a mother vote on the age of consent." Think about it, and maybe you'll understand.
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routejumper
Seasoned Expediter
humble,
Read the last paragraph of the last post, think about it, realize how wrong you are, and report back, telling us what you learned.
Read the last paragraph of the last post, think about it, realize how wrong you are, and report back, telling us what you learned.
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
I had a feeling it would come to this. I simply ask why "some" smokers don't seem to be considerate towards their fellow humans.
Now, people who didn't even read the post or who cannot interpret the written word come out of the woodwork and accuse me of wanting to pass laws.
This was about consideration. You don't even have the consideration to read and understand a post before you make some kind of judgement.
Please feel free to quote the sentence of my post where I advocated passing any type of legislation. Smoking is not the type of thing that should ever have been legislated in the first place!
And you ask someone else to "think about it"?????
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Yet another genius that did not read the post. Next time I will try to make my posts shorter for those that don't have the patience to read.
Here is a quote from my own post:
"I am well aware of the fact that it is a smokers "right" to be able to smoke where it is legal to do so. That is not the question. The question is regarding consideration for others."
If you are able to follow the few short sentences above you may realize that is not a matter of you being right and me being wrong. It was a question regarding consideration of which you have very little.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Please read my post again. I never said you did. I'm just making a point to watch how democracy works. We (smokers) have been legislated against many times, in different ways. If something is criticized enough, laws will go into effect to protect the offended. Personally, I just respect other ppl's rights. Hopefully, they'll return the favor.
BTW... if you have a problem with someone smoking in the smoking area of a resturant, maybe you do yourself a favor and MOVE. My wife is smart enough to know that the smoke doesn't stop at an invisible barrier where the smoking section ends and the non-smoking begins.
BTW... if you have a problem with someone smoking in the smoking area of a resturant, maybe you do yourself a favor and MOVE. My wife is smart enough to know that the smoke doesn't stop at an invisible barrier where the smoking section ends and the non-smoking begins.
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Actually, it was...
Whether it was "some" or "many" is largely pedantic semantics, but if you'd left it at that, left it to be all about consideration, as you say, people wouldn't be as likely to get all bent out of shape. But, you didn't do that. It's not at all a post about consideration. It would have been if you hadn't included the laundry list of rhetorical questions that thinly veil your disgust and attack of smokers, questions about counter burns, ash trays, people not being able to finish a meal or a movie or a shower without smoking (as if taking a shower while smoking is inconsiderate of others).
Then the suicide comment of, "if some day I decide to become suicidal and start smoking, I would stay considerate for others and keep it to myself," which revealed your true intentions and true feelings, in that it's not about consideration, it's about removing any and all evidence of smoking from your senses.
Smokers and non-smokers alike are often inconsiderate of others in many ways. Where's the post and the laundry list of why non-smokers are so inconsiderate of smoker's feelings? Well, that post doesn't exists, because non-smokers don't feel they have to be considerate of smokers. Irony at its finest. It's like a certain special interest group that will remain nameless here that pounds people over the head with the need to be tolerant of others, while at the same time offering up very little tolerance of their own. Please don't pretend this was a post about consideration. It may have started out that way, but it was clearly a post that was motivated not by a lack of consideration, but a loathing of smokers and all that they do.
MentalGiant
Seasoned Expediter
Well put Turtle. Like I said earlier "don't bring up a subject unless your willing to argue that fact of what your talking about.
I had an ideal, lets see some consideraton from the non-smokers, when we want to smoke, instead of us moving a mile or two from the non-smokers, let the non-smokers go somewhere else. Seems only fair since we have to put with them. It would be nice knowing I could light one up and not worry about offending someone for a change.
I had an ideal, lets see some consideraton from the non-smokers, when we want to smoke, instead of us moving a mile or two from the non-smokers, let the non-smokers go somewhere else. Seems only fair since we have to put with them. It would be nice knowing I could light one up and not worry about offending someone for a change.
I would love to be able to move to a non-smoking truck stop. Where are they? It is NOT a matter of inconvinence for Mrs. Layoutshooter, it is a health concern, for her and many others. One solution would be to place all "common" areas, showers, bathrooms etc. under a no smoking rule. Then make the smoking area of the resteraunt to the BACK so those who cannot tolerate cigarette smoke won't have to walk through it to get to the "grazing bar". Then install a GOOD ventilation system that will keep the smoke from drifting out into the rest of the place. Then both groups are allowed for. That is only ONE possible solution. They do exsist. What has to happen is that smokers need to realize that not ALL who complain about smoking do it just to be a pain in the pattute and non-smokers have to learn that there are workable compromises out there. They have to get out of others faces. The one FACT remains, no one with an allergy should be put at risk. Just as one should not drive drunk or drugged or too sleepy, those things can hurt or kill. It is the same for some with that allergy. Layoutshooter
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Dr. Turtle,
You could not be more wrong with your psychological evaluation and your insightful conclusion that I have a "loathing" of smokers.
If you had read the entire thread when doing your research for the evaluation, you might have seen that my Mother was a smoker. I will add that my brother, daughter and many good friends are smokers as well. I love them all and the thought never enters my mind to loath them.
Smoking does aggrevate a medical condition and make it difficult to enjoy spending time out in public. I loath the effect that smoke has on my wife and I, not the people who choose to do it.
I have managed commercial property in the past and it was necessary to send an employee outside several times a day to pick up cigerette butts off the sidewalk and around the garden where there was an ash tray provided.
I lived in Southern California where the cause of at least one major fire was linked back to a cigerette tossed along side the highway.
These are my experiences and probably the root to my "loathing" of smoke.
Please re-evaluate my case based on this information and privide a new diagnosis.
I always enjoy your posts and look forward to learning more about my troubled mind.
Oh, P.S.- My Mother and Father died of lung cancer which the Doctors thought (right or wrong) that the smoke contributed to.
Please consider that in your eval.
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
It is comforting to know that you "worry" about offending someone. That is very considerate. Thank you.
What would you like me to argue about?
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Ok... they ban smoking in all public areas. Then what's next on the agenda? You know they won't stop there. Just be careful with what you're asking the government to do for you.
Slo-Ride
Veteran Expediter
Gambling a addication,,YES
Let family go hungry..Either stuipt or by no choice of ther own due to ecomnic times etc etc.
The north american contient and sourronding waters is full of food.No reason for this at all
But I believe true alocohlism is a diease,,
Humble...you seem to be hung up on the word "considerate". Consider this: What is construed as "consideration" to you , is a "forced march" to others. I`m with Dave KC on this one. I have other things to worry about, than what a person chooses to do with his/her life choices. So, I repeat, if I don`t want to smell smoke, I just don`t go to where I have to smell smoke, or worry about people being considerate, or inconsiderate, or anything else. We all can make those choices.
I don't want the government involed. We don't go to clubs, bars etc. because of the smoke. That is the way it is. We do drive a truck. We HAVE to use truck stop bathrooms, laundrys from time to time etc. It is a fact that there are people who cannot tolerate cigarette smoke. It is a fact that you should be allowed to smoke. Smokers do not have the RIGHT to smoke. Non-smokers do not have the RIGHT to stop smoking. You cannot even begin to tell me you have the right to endanger peoples health in places that it is either difficult or impossible to avoid do to the nature of this business. You want to smoke, fine, give me a solution that accomodates all parties at a public truck stop. I put forth one possible solution to a real problem. This is not an IN YOUR FACE issue. For some it could be a life and death matter. Smokers HAVE to realize that. Drivers with allergies to cigarette smoke should NOT have to chose between giving up thier livelyhood or facing a substance that may hurt them, some in an accute form. While all parties arguments may be correct, public health must trump. I don't believe that government should get involed, BUT, if business does not act, they will. Layoutshooter
pelicn
Veteran Expediter
We've found very few truck stops that are not smoke free now. I remember there were a few restaurants that had a completely separate dining room, behind glass walls and with ventilation systems for smokers. (Ft. Wayne and a place in GA come to mind). Even these places have gone completely smoke free.
Systems like that are the solution. Government need no get involed if business takes it upon themselfs to slove this problem. It really is simple. Just do it. Layoutshooter
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
I am not sure who you are talking to here because I would be the last one to ask the Government for more laws; however, I will answer you.
I loath the laws that restrict any of our personal freedoms!
There should be NO laws restricting smoking. There should be NO laws restricting truck parking at your own home, there should be NO laws requiring us to pick up after our dog. There should be No laws restricting public nudity. There should be No laws against private use of marijuana and don't even get me started on the DOT rules and regulations.
That said, it would just be nice if we could do our laundry or take a shower without the smoke. If smokers stepped outside it would be nice but I don't believe that will ever happen.
People will do what they want to do, then people will get angry and ask for new laws.
termite289
Expert Expediter
arggg,
iv lit up in the non smoking section 1 time in my life, and that was only because they moved the smoking section to the front of the restaurant between the last time i had been there and the accidental light up. i think most smokers are considerate, and smoke outside, but no matter what we do to try and be considerate, it isn't good enough for the complainers.
personally i think people with metal things protruding from their face look absolutely stupid. and the only statement that it makes to me is that there to dumb to realize how stupid it makes them look. but i don't say things like that out loud, because it might hurt their feelings. I do however tell the kids in my family who say they want them how ridiculous it will make them look. and that they will whistle wen they sneeze, or drown from lip leakage when they go swimming.
i think you are confusing consideration, for self importance. and i think you have a problem. because your not the only one that lives here. and it isn't going to be your way all the time.
iv lit up in the non smoking section 1 time in my life, and that was only because they moved the smoking section to the front of the restaurant between the last time i had been there and the accidental light up. i think most smokers are considerate, and smoke outside, but no matter what we do to try and be considerate, it isn't good enough for the complainers.
personally i think people with metal things protruding from their face look absolutely stupid. and the only statement that it makes to me is that there to dumb to realize how stupid it makes them look. but i don't say things like that out loud, because it might hurt their feelings. I do however tell the kids in my family who say they want them how ridiculous it will make them look. and that they will whistle wen they sneeze, or drown from lip leakage when they go swimming.
i think you are confusing consideration, for self importance. and i think you have a problem. because your not the only one that lives here. and it isn't going to be your way all the time.
You are correct. There is a few who argue for self-importance. Just remenber ONE thing, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. In some cases, and for some reason the number of people with a true problem are increasing, your smoke, could in a matter of a minute or less, put a person into respitory arrest. No one should have to make the choice between going to the bathroom and respitory arrest. There are drivers who are in this position. Now, come up with a solution that A: allows you to smoke B: keeps the smoke away from non-smokers with allergies and C: keeps the government out of it. This should not be a p*zzing match. There are VALID health concerns that need addressed. Just imagine how you might feel if your need to smoke killed someone who just had to go to the bathroom. I could never live with that. Layoutshooter