SMOKERS, For your consideration

[MentalGiant]

My dad had that same philosophy. he harped on it often, right up until a week or two of his death from COPD, Emphysema, and Cancer...

Well, I'm sorry to hear about your dad. My father did from small cell carcinoma (sp?) which the doctor says was from smoking. Ok, good theory. What about the others who died from the exact same thing? Smoking? No, there is a lot of people who get that cancer and doesn't smoke. Smoking is what you might want to call a "smoking gun" that is handy and could be the relative explanation of it. In the years of scientist and doctors trying to explain what causes it, they came up with the easiest explanation. Now as technology has increased, they are coming up with all different explanations why cancer forms in our bodies. So, all you people who believe smoking causes cancer, you might be correct in some what degree, but you can not blame it all on smoking. Especially thinking about all the chemicals we handle, breathe and eat. I do believe the chemicals they feed and inject into live stock now days and the preservatives they put into our foods now days, and the fast food joints. Think about, if you still want to blame smoking for all of it, that is fine. Your just fooling yourself.

P.S. Waiting for the grammar nazi (frieghtchaser) to say something about this one paragraph.

 

[letzrockexpress]

All good probabilities...All I know is it stinks and it definitely doesn't help to prolong life.

 

[greg334]

Outside of the obvious, as MentalGiant mentioned, we do handle a lot of chemicals in our daily lives. Take a look at things that go into just soda (pop), a lot of that stuff had animal testing and then they play with the numbers to see what the probability is that it will kill more than 1 in 50 people after prolong use and if it doesn't then it is approved for human consumption. The really interesting thing is Teflon, it is now being tested and when I worked at the Pharma company, there was a theory floating aruond the oncology teams that this may be a cause of a lot of cancer.

 

[MentalGiant]

Outside of the obvious, as MentalGiant mentioned, we do handle a lot of chemicals in our daily lives. Take a look at things that go into just soda (pop), a lot of that stuff had animal testing and then they play with the numbers to see what the probability is that it will kill more than 1 in 50 people after prolong use and if it doesn't then it is approved for human consumption. The really interesting thing is Teflon, it is now being tested and when I worked at the Pharma company, there was a theory floating aruond the oncology teams that this may be a cause of a lot of cancer.

I read about the Teflon testing. And there are so many more things out there that is like that we don't realize that causes damage to our bodies in the long run that we use very often, if not every day.

 

[greg334]

Better living through chemicals - Dow

 

[tallcal101]

All the truck stops in California are smoke free.Period.Including toilets and shower areas.
Fine is now over $500.00 for a violation,which includes smoking within 250 feet of any public building. Message? Welcome to California now go home.
You can return to bashing the Golden State,just thought I would inject a little sanity to this nonsence.I was labled a smoking Nazi on this site for advertising for drivers with a restriction,"smokers need not apply". I stuck to that and it probably cost me my business.
Trucking and smoking are,unfortunatly,married.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Tallcal said:
Trucking and smoking are,unfortunately,married.

Not nearly like it once was...

 

[greg334]

Tallcal, Californy seems to be less intense than NYC when it comes to applying the laws there. I been to enough truck stops where they are idling the trucks and it is a very nice day/night but not a cop in sight or a ticket given.

 

[chefdennis]

I started smoking in the 7th grade. smoked less then 1 pack total and never picked up and cig. I don't do it now, but i certainly am not about to tell anyone they can't. As for smoking in public places, it is all about "private property rights!" If i own the business, i should get to make the decisions as to what goes on in my place of business with a LEGAL PRODUCT....

Yes more and more people are stopping smoking for one reason our another, but how many places have made the change in their business to not allow smoking until it was FORCED on them by the liberal government??? If it makes sooo much more sense for a business to be smoke free, why do they all need to be forced to comply???? Smokes spend more money in more places then non smokers, it least it appears that way, since it wasn't until places were forced to comply that the changes were made....

Again, i don't smoke, but i certainly don't have the right to even consider asking you not to.... now that being said, if a person has a medical condition that is made worse by smoke, sure they can ask, but to expect anyone to comply, well its not their right to expect that...i think most people out of simple respect would comply if asked, but they aren't and shouldn't be made to comply........

 

[MentalGiant]

I started smoking in the 7th grade. smoked less then 1 pack total and never picked up and cig. I don't do it now, but i certainly am not about to tell anyone they can't. As for smoking in public places, it is all about "private property rights!" If i own the business, i should get to make the decisions as to what goes on in my place of business with a LEGAL PRODUCT....

Yes more and more people are stopping smoking for one reason our another, but how many places have made the change in their business to not allow smoking until it was FORCED on them by the liberal government??? If it makes sooo much more sense for a business to be smoke free, why do they all need to be forced to comply???? Smokes spend more money in more places then non smokers, it least it appears that way, since it wasn't until places were forced to comply that the changes were made....

Again, i don't smoke, but i certainly don't have the right to even consider asking you not to.... now that being said, if a person has a medical condition that is made worse by smoke, sure they can ask, but to expect anyone to comply, well its not their right to expect that...i think most people out of simple respect would comply if asked, but they aren't and shouldn't be made to comply........

I agree with all above. If someone asked me not to smoke in a public smoking area, I would ask why not. Not to be judicious about the situation, but to see what their personal concern is. If its because of a medical reason and have no other choice to be there atm, I would more than likely comply. But, if they come off saying I don't like the smell and I think its disgusting, yes, I will go on the defensive for a bit and tell them there are other places they can go. I just don't like it when people think they can tell me what or when I can do something when its perfectly legal to do so.

 

[copdsux]

Mental Giant, your paragraph was relatively short and easy to follow; therefore, not a problem.

As to Emphysema, which I have, 9 out of 10 cases are a direct result of smoking. The other
1% is from a genetic condition called Alpha-1 antitrypsin defciency.

Whether or not smoking causes the diseases being talked about here is moot, in my case. I've got severe Emphysema, as indicated by 33% of lung function that would be expected in a 65 y.o. w/m 6'4", 250#'s. So, if you are smoking near me, in an area that is designated as non-smoking, please don't be offended if I put your cigarette out with my 7# oxygen bottle that I have to lug around everywhere.

Mike

 

[MentalGiant]

Mental Giant, your paragraph was relatively short and easy to follow; therefore, not a problem.

As to Emphysema, which I have, 9 out of 10 cases are a direct result of smoking. The other
1% is from a genetic condition called Alpha-1 antitrypsin defciency.

Whether or not smoking causes the diseases being talked about here is moot, in my case. I've got severe Emphysema, as indicated by 33% of lung function that would be expected in a 65 y.o. w/m 6'4", 250#'s. So, if you are smoking near me, in an area that is designated as non-smoking, please don't be offended if I put your cigarette out with my 7# oxygen bottle that I have to lug around everywhere.

Mike

Well, if a 6'4" 250lb man put my cig out for me, don't think I would do much any ways, maybe a little scared to try.

 

[copdsux]

The "offer" to put out your smokes with my oxyen bottle rings a little hollow. In addition to bad lungs, my knees ain't so hot either. So, if I were to extinguish your cigarette for you, and you became as angry, as I expect you would, I certainly would be unable to outrun you! So, I hope you'll forgive me for going all "Billy Big Rig".

Mike

 

[chefdennis]

LOL, Mike going Billie Big rig, is all good! The thing about your 1st post was that if he was smoking in a NON-smoking area...in that case, I'd be all in favor of you are anyone else asking him to either put it out on his own or move out of that area, if it became a issue, by all means, use that bottle!!

While I firmly believe that this is nothing more then a "private property issue and the owner of the property as the right to allow or disallow the use of any LEGAL product as he sees fit, when that owner offers up a NON-smoking area, his wishes are to be followed. The same goes for non-smpkers in Smoking areas, it is there obligation to live with it or move, they are in a place where they know that an accepted legal activity is offnse to them for whatever reason, so it is up to them to either live with it or take themselves out of that area........

But again you would be right to ask in a non smoking area, and for the most part, i think most smokers would not continue to offend, they'd leave of stop...

 

[greg334]

So, if you are smoking near me, in an area that is designated as non-smoking, please don't be offended if I put your cigarette out with my 7# oxygen bottle that I have to lug around everywhere.

Mike
Don't take this wrong but didn't you think about this before when others were affected? or did you?

I don't want to come off as the idiot who supports this habit but the thing is I find that once it affects people and their health because they are on the other side of the issue, it is a big deal for them but before it affected them, they ignore others who were affected.

 

[copdsux]

No offense taken Greg. When I quit smoking, April 1, 2004, I became a non-smoker. When I was diagnosed, with Enphysema, Nov. 2007, I became a MILITANT non-smoker. To answer your original question: I honestly don't remember how I behaved around non-smokers.

Mike

 

[guido4475]

All though I am a smoker, I am the pickiest smoker there is.I have not and will not smoke in my house.I do not want it smelling like an ashtray. The inside of my house is my sancuary.I can breath freely there.I smoke in the garage, outside, etc.In my truck I only smoke with the window open, up front only.I also own stock in febreeze,and my hoover steamclean vac gets used once a month on the interior.I actually sit in the non-smoking section at a restaurant.And why is it that the non-smoking section is always at the back, so a non-smoker has to walk through the smog to get to their clean air? I could never figure that one out.And if someone cant take a crap without having a cigarette than there are problems there.I try to do my best to be as courteous to others as I can.I really hate this habit that started as a joke in high school, and have tried unsuccessfully to quit several times.I tried to smoke pretzel rods as an alternative, but that didnt work out too well. My company pulled me in for a random drug test as a result of this.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Iowa went smoke free this year...the rest areas are SMOKE FREE....you MUST stay in your car! Thats going to interfere with the ones that stop and get out to smoke because they don't smoke in the car or truck....
So you smoke in your car and blow the smoke out the window....what a stupid law!

Basically if you stand in the back of your pick-up you'd be IN your vehicle and legal....dumb, dumb.....

 

[letzrockexpress]

Actually, it was...


Whether it was "some" or "many" is largely pedantic semantics, but if you'd left it at that, left it to be all about consideration, as you say, people wouldn't be as likely to get all bent out of shape.

I concur. I detect a bevy of torrid effluvium being buffeted up our hindermost orifices...

 

[inkasnana]

Iowa went smoke free this year...the rest areas are SMOKE FREE....you MUST stay in your car! Thats going to interfere with the ones that stop and get out to smoke because they don't smoke in the car or truck....
So you smoke in your car and blow the smoke out the window....what a stupid law!

Basically if you stand in the back of your pick-up you'd be IN your vehicle and legal....dumb, dumb.....

Now that is really, really dumb! Do they give out Darwin awards for dumb laws? Their legislature sounds like our governor, fanatical against smoking.