SMOKERS, For your consideration

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I don't Drink Alcohol, I don't Smoke, I don't dip (Chew)
I don't Cheat. I Will be honest and tell ya I don't know it all.
If I did I wouldn't be out here doing this.

I will not stay with any driver Weather I'm lead or Second seat that does period.

I got my Standards.
You only got one Body take care of it so it can take care of you and your Loved ones.

I Got Strips too, but not in the above categories.

Them Stripes I'll answer for at the Pearly gates.

Think about it.


Time to eat my ration for the day a Potato and a can of Sweet Peas. No Kidding.
 
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Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
Interesting reactions. No real answers, just personal attacks and defensiveness.

BEARTRUCKER was most helpful and I will have to draw a conclusion from his post.
Smoking is a serious addiction. The need to feed that addiction becomes priority regardless of the consequences. In the mind of the addict it can be easily justified that this nicotine fix is a priority of much more importance than the health, comfort and condideration of those around me. This makes sense.
It makes sense that otherwise kind and considerate people would not be able to extend their normal consideration when it pertains to their addiction.
Now, let's see some of the attacks and misinterpretations that I received because I dared to tread on the smoking subject.

Wellarmed said:
"Sounds like someone may have a gastrointestinal problem that they may want to see a doctor about and the last time I checked this forum was for expediters not doctors. After you make the appointment with the doc you might consider making one with a shrink because this really seems to be a matter wich your having trouble dealing with and even though I may smoke where you would rather I didn't, I'm now trying to show you a little concern and consideration as you have requested.COUGH,COUGH,oh I'm so very sorry for coughing,and you were not here to see me turn my head."

I am accused of having medical and psychological problems. I will not bother to address this gun slinger because there was no point to his post.

Mentalgiant said:
"All I'm saying, don't lump us all in one"

I purposely did no such thing. My Mother (a smoker who died of cancer) would roll over in her grave if I included her as an inconsiderate smoker. I would never "lump" all smokers together.

routejumper said:
"Your post appears to categorize all smokers as ignorant people hell bent on offending you every chance they get. . . . .attack me . . . "

All smokers? Again? See above.
Ignorant? You came up with that one on your own and I don't appreciate you calling my Mother and good friends ignorant.
Attack? Never mind.

termite289 said:
"now we have to listen to anyone who decides it is their day to whine."

Accused of being a whiner?

louixo said:
"The politically correct, yuppie do gooders make me want to barf with their narrow minded viewpoints all the time. . . . Humble2drive reminds me of the saying "stop the world, I want to get off".

Wow! Now I have actually made someone sick. I don't know what a Yuppie do gooder is but how dare you accuse me of that!?!
I guess you are right. If they find another planet with cleaner air I will volunteer to go and you will not be sick any longer. I offer this with your consideration in mind.

Turtle said:
"On the other hand, many smokers give great consideration, and have great tolerance for non-smokers. The reverse can be said, but rarely. "

Bravo!! The perfect turn around. Thank you for that.

ATeam said
". . . . let us not forget the Open Forum friends we have lost to lung cancer and the heartfelt pleas they left for readers here. Their message was simple: "Don't smoke!""

When your anger with me subsides, please reflect on Ateams quote and give it some consideration.

I have obviously ruffled some feathers on this forum so I am just going to take my ball and go home never to return again!

Just kidding. Later.
 

davekc

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Fleet Owner
Valid points on both sides. But it does beg the question of,
"Isn't there something more important to worry about"?
 

MentalGiant

Seasoned Expediter
Well Humble2drive, don't bring up a subject unless your willing to argue that fact of what your talking about. I might of misread your comments to where I said something about lumping all together, which I do apologize. But, again, you brought up a subject that has been consider as beating a dead horse. We heard all the arguements about what smoking can do.

My freedom to smoke is just as valid as yours not to smoke. Until I'm ready to quit, that will be the day I quit. Until then, give me the right of choice what I do with my own body. I rarely smoke in public, because I don't want to share my second hand smoke, they cost enough just for me. :)
 

davekc

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Since it is one's personal choice, it isn't on the radar of things I am worrying about. Both are difficult situations that someone else can do little about. No different than someone that consistently overeats, drinks too much, or a host of other things. Just a part of life.
Not my place to legislate what is or could be bad for someone.
For that reason, I spend little time worrying about it.
 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
Valid points on both sides. But it does beg the question of,
"Isn't there something more important to worry about"?

Dave,
Haven't you been out of your truck long enough to hear the news?

Here, I'll bring you up to speed.

Second hand smoke, age of exposure and lung cancer risk.
Asomaning K, Miller DP, Liu G, Wain JC, Lynch TJ, Su L, Christiani DC.
Department of Environmental Heath (Environmental and Occupational Medicine and Epidemiology Program), Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, United States.
BACKGROUND: Exposure to second hand smoke (SHS) has been identified as a risk factor for lung cancer for three decades. It is also known that the lung continues to grow from birth to adulthood, when lung growth stops. We hypothesize that after adjusting for active cigarette smoking, if SHS exposure took place during the period of growth, i.e. in the earlier part of life (0-25 years of age) the risk of lung cancer is greater compared to an exposure occurring after age 25. METHOD: Second hand smoke exposure was self-reported for three different activities (leisure, work and at home) for this study population of 1669 cases and 1263 controls. We created variables that captured location of exposure and timing of first exposure with respect to a study participant's age (0-25, >25 years of age). Multiple logistic regressions were used to study the association between SHS exposure and lung cancer, adjusting for age, gender and active smoking variables. RESULT: For study participants that were exposed to SHS at both activities (work and leisure) and compared to one or no activity, the adjusted odds ratio (AOR) for lung cancer was 1.30 (1.08-1.57) when exposure occurred between birth and age 25 and 0.66 (0.21-1.57) if exposure occurred after age 25 years. Respective results for non-smokers were 1.29 (0.82-2.02) and 0.87 (0.22-3.38), and current and ex-smokers combined 1.28 (1.04-1.58) and 0.66 (0.15-2.85). CONCLUSION: All individuals exposed to SHS have a higher risk of lung cancer. Furthermore, this study suggests that subjects first exposed before age 25 have a higher lung cancer risk compared to those for whom first exposure occurred after age 25 years.
PMID: 18191495 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID: PMC2515267 [Available on 2009/07/01]

I will summarize: Second hand smoke bad!
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Just remember that you smoke "moves". It does not stay with you. While I don't want to regulate your smoking there is one really cold hard fact out there. There are MANY people, Mrs. Layoutshooter included, who are allergict to cigarette smoke. If we even stay in a motel room where someone had smoked the day before it take 2-3 days for her to settle down. It really sucks in some truck stops. We have to go into them. We have no choice. Please explain why my wife has to put up with coughing, sneezing, itching waterery eyes? I don't stand next to anyone and fire my guns next to thier ears. It would do damage. Your smoke HURTS my wife. Please remember that. For some people it can trigger reactions that can stop thier breathing. I don't think that is your right. Layoutshooter
 

davekc

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I'm not saying it is bad, but the same people would have no problem walking through NYC, LA or anywhere else that has more pollution than someones cigar or cigarette.
Some will will sit in a stagnant truck stop smelling deisel fumes for days. If something like this is a priority to you, why would you stay there? Same difference.
Again, that is why I don't focus on those types of things.
 

wellarmed

Not a Member
So you start a thread bashing smokers, and smokers are not suppose to bash back? You complained of showerooms smelling of smoke. somewhere I read a thread where the guy smuggles his black water tank into the showers to empty it and you know how well they clean the showers(not!)the smell of cigs.or bacteria crawling everywhere,you should not bash people or should I say judge people you don't know and not expect them to defend themselves.The purpose of a thread is to get reaction, you got it.We are all dieing from the day we are born, you die your way we will die our way.
 

davekc

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I find it funny that many that complain are the same ones that will sit in front of a fire or a barbeque for hours inhaling stonger smoke than someones cigerette puts off.
Again, just not a priority that I dwell on.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Possible, but they both have essentually the same components.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Very true, but, my wife can sit by a campfire all night and not be bothered and two minutes in a motel room that has not been smoked it for 3 days starts her eyes watering, nose running etc. There must be a component of cigarette smoke that gets her that is not present in wood smoke. He parents were heavy smokers, maybe that sensitized her to it somehow. I don't claim to understand it but I do know that there are people out there like that. Some way worse than my wife. I don't want govenment involed. At the same time people like my wife should not have to dread going to the bathroom in a truck stop. I don't know the answer. Layoutshooter
 

are12

Expert Expediter
I found this to be a very interesting article so I thought I would share it with everyone.


Why Does Lung Cancer Occur in Non-Smokers?

Medical Author: Melissa Conrad Stoppler, MD
Medical Editor: Jay W. Marks, MD
While cigarette smoking is an undisputed cause of lung cancer, not all cases of lung cancer occur in smokers or former smokers. Each year, over 170,000 Americans develop lung cancer, and approximately ten per cent of lung cancers, or 17,000 cases, occur in non-smokers. Although not every non-smoker suffering from lung cancer will have an identifiable risk factor for development of the disease, a number of conditions and circumstances have been identified that will increase a non-smoker's chance of developing lung cancer.
Passive smoking, or the inhalation of tobacco smoke from other smokers sharing living or working quarters, is an established risk factor for the development of lung cancer. Non-smokers who reside with a smoker have a 24% increase in risk for developing lung cancer when compared with other non-smokers. Each year, up to 3,000 lung cancer deaths are estimated to occur in the U.S. that are attributable to passive smoking. For more, please read the The Dangers Secondhand Smoke article.
Radon gas, a naturally-occurring gas that forms when uranium decays, is another known cause of lung cancer. An estimated 12% of total lung cancer deaths in both smokers and non-smokers, or 15,000 to 22,000 lung cancer-related deaths annually in the U.S, are believed to be at least partially related to radon gas exposure. Those who do smoke and are exposed to radon have an even greater risk of developing lung cancer than non-smokers who are exposed to radon gas. Radon gas can travel up through soil and enter homes through gaps in the foundation, pipes, drains, or other openings. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates that one out of every 15 homes in the U.S. contains dangerous levels of radon gas. Radon gas is invisible and odorless but can be detected with simple test kits. For more, please read the Radon FAQ and Test Your Home for Radon articles.
Asbestos is a compound that was widely used in the past as both thermal and acoustic insulation material. Microscopic fibers of asbestos break loose from the insulation material and are released into the air where they can be inhaled into the lungs. Asbestos fibers can persist for a lifetime in lung tissue following exposure to asbestos. Both lung cancer and a type of cancer known as mesothelioma are associated with exposure to asbestos. Cigarette smoking drastically increases the chance of developing an asbestos-related lung cancer among workers exposed to asbestos; nevertheless, asbestos workers who do not smoke have a five fold greater risk of developing lung cancer than other non-smokers. Today, asbestos use is limited or banned in many countries including the Unites States. For more, please read the Asbestos-Related Disease article.
Since all smokers do not eventually develop lung cancer, it is likely that other factors, such as individual genetic susceptibility, may play a role in the causation of lung cancer. Numerous studies have shown that lung cancer is more likely to occur in both smoking and non-smoking relatives of those who have had lung cancer than in the general population.
Air pollution from vehicles, industry, and power plants, can raise the likelihood of developing lung cancer in exposed individuals. It has been estimated that up to 2,000 lung cancer deaths per year may be attributable to breathing polluted air, and many experts believe that prolonged exposure to highly polluted air can carry a risk for the development of lung cancer similar to that of passive smoking. For more, please read the Deaths Rise with Ground-Level Ozone Warning article
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dave,
Haven't you been out of your truck long enough to hear the news?


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I will summarize: Second hand smoke bad!

I have a personal reason not to involve myself with these types of threads but there is a problem, at least for me when I hear the word study and bad used together for any reason.

Some people get so frantic over their children being exposed to stuff that they blame everyone else and can't realize that somethings can't be helped. I stood in an outside line one day at a taco wagon and up pulls some helicopter mom in her lexus SUV with a truck load of brats. One of the guys standing behind me is enjoying a cigar, now this is in the open. She stands there, and you can hear her comments about the smell, the danger to her children and the studies they have done proving that any exposure is harmful to children. She finally lets loose on the guy and tries to shame him into putting it out. Well I won't tell you what happen after, it was a bit embarissing for the poor helicopter mom but to me it was funny.

Studies don't always tell the whole story, like other problems, researchers look for causes more so because of funding than becaise of any other reason. But with that in mind, if this was so bad, so harmful that this helicopter mom was right, than a lot of us would be dead long ago.

AND she, like other parents don't get that the food the kids eat have chemicals that still have been unproven to be safe can be more harmful in the long run. I know that food intake is a leading cause of problems that most refuse to acknowledge.

If you know the way the studies work and how they come up with the numbers and outcome, you too would be concern. You know they are just getting around to do some serious testing on Teflon?
 

davekc

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Thanks. Good find. I believe that proves my point and why I don't focus on it. Way too many other things that are issues with that. I had a grandfather that smoked non filter camel and lucky strike cigerettes and lived to 95. What does that mean? Luck. Maybe.
Could be a lot of things. And.....didn't die of cancer.
When one's card comes up, it comes up.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Tis a mess this smokee no smokee thing. A couple amusing storys for ya... A week or so ago at a clothing optional beach here in Maui (Hawaii has the most stringent smoking laws I have encountered), a few of us buks were setting in on a game of texas holdem with cigars, beer, an other smokes in the neighborhood having a good game. A middle aged woman came to the next table to us wearing nothing but the book she were going to read and her glasses. Things be OK for bout five minutes when she announced to our table that our smoke wuz annoying her.... I almost feel sorry for what she endured. Not good to push your luck I guess.

Oct 07 the do gooder (I call it heavy handed) Mayor and Council decided my small town would be smoke free, to be effective 1 Jan 08. Bear in mind they not only took decisions away from smokers, but, business owners also. Problem wuz with their timing. All but a couple council members were up for election in January, Mayor too. All but the two were looking for employment in February. Laws? Laws are changed it seems.
 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
. . . I know that food intake is a leading cause of problems that most refuse to acknowledge. . .

Excellent point Greg! I believe if the Flying J allowed smoking in all of it's restaurants and banned the consumption of their food, we would all be better off.
 
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