A sense of humor is very fetching! You're a good sport.Aaaah - it's coming back to me now [along with the motive for the rusty lawn darts] You're the one that attributed my every success to some outside intervention, as if I wasn't capable of attaining it all by my little old self.
You can keep the darts - I've got plenty more *L*
Should this Forum be renamed?
- Thread starter jaminjim
- Start date
If someone has an opinion on a topic shouldn't they post information to back up their position?
Dakota
Veteran Expediter
You have 999 posts turn that upside down and you get 666 Scary
I am nonplussed in a negative sort of way.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
One doesn't necessarily have to start a thread or topic to defend or advocate for a position - but your (intended) point is well taken.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
No, not necessarily ... although if they were to do so, it might go a good ways toward getting others to see their opinions as valid ... (if that is a desired goal
)
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Sorry ..... I like the idea .... will come up with some subjects (got sucked into some movies on the tele this evening .... hard to resist Audrey Hepburn
)
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
I would like to make sure that everyone is aware that I am not "bashing" Dennis, nor was/is that my intention. Although I don't agree with Dennis's way of posting his opinion, he has every right to do as he pleases. (so long as the admin of this site doesn't have a problem with it)
So, if I have come off as bashing Dennis or insulting him I apologize here and now, because that is not and was not my intention.
Jim
So, if I have come off as bashing Dennis or insulting him I apologize here and now, because that is not and was not my intention.
Jim
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Now as far as a good topic for debate I would like to suggest that it be (in the beginning) one that.
A. Be of interest to the general membership.
B. Have enough information easily found and verifiable.
C. Have information which can be both Pro and Con for the subject being debated.
I hope that the more prolific posters of the Soapbox are on great runs and will contribute to this discussion sometime today.
Also I'm thinking that a debate you run an entire week as opposed to just the weekend.
A. Be of interest to the general membership.
B. Have enough information easily found and verifiable.
C. Have information which can be both Pro and Con for the subject being debated.
I hope that the more prolific posters of the Soapbox are on great runs and will contribute to this discussion sometime today.
Also I'm thinking that a debate you run an entire week as opposed to just the weekend.
My threads I post are most often a counter to Dennis's doom and gloom...a way to show America does not, will not tolerate the actions of one man or 500 or so politicians..
That corporate America will do it's job and make money regardless of the political situation...THEY will find a way to keep America rollng. AND when they make money they create jobs...
OBama did promise to change the way America does business...and he sure has kept that promise much to the chagrin of old time conservatives..
That corporate America will do it's job and make money regardless of the political situation...THEY will find a way to keep America rollng. AND when they make money they create jobs...
OBama did promise to change the way America does business...and he sure has kept that promise much to the chagrin of old time conservatives..
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
With that said, do you have a topic to be debated?
with that said...How many true debaters do we really have?
America is ONLY 250 years old....The Constitution well written..
Can it really work as America grows older?
Is it functional?
Is it reality?
What makes it so great?
Who said it was great?
Since the industrial revelution it is been going downhill...
Can America go back almost 100 years of constitutional disregard and correct the course?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You know OVM,
The United States is older than Germany, France and Italy.
It is older than China, Japan and most of south east Asia.
It is older than most of Africa, older than India and Pakistan and all of the middle east.
It is older than most of the countries in the world.
Almost every country that is younger than the US is not a monolithic society, Japan being the exception. Most of them have been formed, divided or constituted through history but never the less changed in the 20th century.
Germany and Italy didn't exist before unification in the 19th century. France had not one revolution but a few where the government's entire existance was wiped off the face of the earth and replaced to fix the problems of the previous government.
Our country itself, the constitution itself is good. No where else is there a few pages used in such a way to form a government that we have here. No country has the ablity to funciton with simplicity and defintion as we have here.
Not yet has anyone duplicated anything close while some have scorned us for our form of government. Instead most constitutions of other countries have been written to correct social ills in the time and context they were written which in face prevents a culture from evolving at all and prevents the people any flexibility to correct the corrections that were made in the past for somethig that doesn't exist anymore.
France is a good example, they have failed to deal with immigration not because they are a country that is open and free but because they are the opposite, a country bound by ideals that are myopic in nature. They don't understand the intergration issues, so they make laws to deal with them out of their ignorance.
The United States is older than Germany, France and Italy.
It is older than China, Japan and most of south east Asia.
It is older than most of Africa, older than India and Pakistan and all of the middle east.
It is older than most of the countries in the world.
Almost every country that is younger than the US is not a monolithic society, Japan being the exception. Most of them have been formed, divided or constituted through history but never the less changed in the 20th century.
Germany and Italy didn't exist before unification in the 19th century. France had not one revolution but a few where the government's entire existance was wiped off the face of the earth and replaced to fix the problems of the previous government.
Our country itself, the constitution itself is good. No where else is there a few pages used in such a way to form a government that we have here. No country has the ablity to funciton with simplicity and defintion as we have here.
Not yet has anyone duplicated anything close while some have scorned us for our form of government. Instead most constitutions of other countries have been written to correct social ills in the time and context they were written which in face prevents a culture from evolving at all and prevents the people any flexibility to correct the corrections that were made in the past for somethig that doesn't exist anymore.
France is a good example, they have failed to deal with immigration not because they are a country that is open and free but because they are the opposite, a country bound by ideals that are myopic in nature. They don't understand the intergration issues, so they make laws to deal with them out of their ignorance.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
There are some good starterswith that said...How many true debaters do we really have?
Only one way to find out
America is ONLY 250 years old....The Constitution well written..Yes thank-you
Can it really work as America grows older?
Is it functional?
Is it reality?
What makes it so great?
Who said it was great?
Since the industrial revelution it is been going downhill...
Can America go back almost 100 years of constitutional disregard and correct the course?
Greg..I put it to you...
Is it unravelling? as in falling apart? Because of mans inherent nature to rule over man....?
Government is to give leadership to lead...lead infers power...
Is it unravelling? as in falling apart? Because of mans inherent nature to rule over man....?
Government is to give leadership to lead...lead infers power...
Geez, touchy touchy! You will forsake this good woman just becuz she has a different point of view and isn't afraid to accuse you of namecalling and immature posturing? Doesn't take much these days! No wonder the divorce rate is so high!
That's a good one right there. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Certainly less now than before. Many have been run off. What is left is largely a group of back patters who's debating skills consist largely of emotional rants that more than anything say, in essence, "This is what I believe, you can't change my mind, but you should believe what I believe because it's the right thing to believe." This is a debating tactic that squashes debate participation at least as effectively as overwhelming cut-n-paste does.
I had a debate coach once say that you cannot convince anyone of your position on an issue unless you can fully understand, and even vigorously defend, theirs. For example, someone who is vehemently anti-abortion enters into the debate, however they are only permitted to take the pro-choice stance on the issue. This would force them to learn and understand the opposite side of the issue, to see things from a different perspective, to see that what they would normally look at as simple and easy is in reality a complex issue with no easy answers. Abortion is but one of countless topics this applies to.
Greg: The United States, the government in its present form, may be older than the countries you listed, but to say that the United States is older than those countries is a little disingenuous. For example, to say that Germany didn't exist before unification in the 19th century isn't entirely correct, since the region and the culture have a distinct history that dates back to Julius Caesar. France, both as a distinct region and a distinct culture has its beginnings that date back to Charlemagne in the late 700's. Italy, Spain, the other European countries, as well as China, Japan and all countries outside of the Western Hemisphere have similar histories to draw from. The United States has essentially no distinct history prior to the mid-1700's. Outsiders came to North America and effectively wiped a 10,000 year old slate clean, to start anew. While other countries outside the Western Hemisphere have had many governmental changes over the centuries, few of them have had their slates wiped clean to the point of erasing their existence prior to the inception of the United States.
The joke holds true, where the difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 100 miles is a long drive, and Americans think 100 years is a long time. The reason Americans think 100 years is a long time is because, relatively speaking, it is. We only have a few hundreds of years of history to draw from, but European countries, regions and cultures draw from thousands of years of distinct histories. Changes in various forms of government in those countries does not change their history to the point of making them a "young" country without much history in the same manner as the United States.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
That's a good one right there. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Unless you believe in Creationism