Should this Forum be renamed?

[greg334]

OVM,
Have some faith in the country, we are not left of center as much as the country tolerates unions. Unions are pushing for some drastic changes and the country's attitude is demonstrated in the fact that they refuse to buy US made products because of the underlining political differences between them (the people who make the country work) and the unionized worker.

I think, maybe I am wrong but history has proven me right so far, that there is the swing to the left right now but it will be short lived and it will swing to a more sane position in the future.

There is one remaining problem that has yet to be properly address, Job Loss. The more recent "summit" showed the division between the administration, their supporters and the rest of the country. There won't be any help to the people who produce jobs simply because of the mess that the administration as made out of what they are going to do.

The congress will change, people are getting fed up, not because of the political postion of the people on congress but because they are not doing a thing to bring jobs to the people. I have said this before and will again and again - people vote with their pocket book.

 

[layoutshooter]

Only the private sector can create REAL jobs. Government has jobs that serve a needed function, a LOT of make work jobs and that is about it. REAL jobs build stuff, invent stuff, provide a service and build WEALTH on the backs of their PRODUCTION. Few government jobs PRODUCE anything. There has to be increases in production for there to be growth in the economy. Countries that stop producing "widgets" fade into nothing.

 

[Turtle]

Unless you believe in Creationism

Whether you believe in Creationism is irrelevant to the fact that the Big Bang happened. The discovery and measurement of the black-body form and anisotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation proves beyond all doubt that the Big Bang actually occurred.

Just like the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory is not a theory, it's a fact. A theory is postulated, and then observation and experiment either confirms or refutes all or part of the theory. That which is refuted must therefor be dismissed in favor of what is true, what is provable, that which cannot be denied. In the case of The Big Bang, like all theories, there is a long list of "if/then" questions that must be answered. The Laws of Physics dictate many of the answers, and if observation and experiment defy these unambiguous laws, then the theory must be altered or dismissed. All of the questions had been answered until recently, except two.

The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) was famously discovered in 1964 by two Bell Labs employees while working on an ultra-sensitive radio astronomy microwave receiver where they encountered "static" they could not explain. They discovered, it was theorized, the remnants of the Big Bang.

Physics dictates that if the Big Bang happened the way the theory states, then certain things must be true. Two of them is that the temperature of the cosmic background radiation must be a certain temperature, a very specific temperature, and that the radiation cannot be uniform throughout the universe (otherwise galaxies, galaxy clusters, stars and planets could not have formed). At the time of the Big Bang the temperature of the radiation would be unimaginably hot, but after all this time it would have cooled down significantly. But not merely by an inexact "a lot", but by an exacting mathematically predictable amount. If the Big Bang were to have happened, and if it happened when they said it did, then the CMB, as predicted by physics, must be 2.7° Kelvin at this point in time. Also, the radiation itself cannot be homogeneous (isotropy - evenly distributed), it must be anisotropic (of unequal physical properties along different axes - lumpy).

It turns out that not only is the CMB anisotropic, it is exactly 2.7° Kelvin.

Those two final litmus strips, announced in 1992, move the Big Bang Theory from a theory to an absolute irrefutable fact.

The findings have since been independently confirmed several times, and Smoot is currently working on a 3rd generation CMB satellite, Planck (named after Max Plank, I'm sure), to further refine the measurements of the anisotropy.

George Smoot (Upper Arlington High graduate) and John Mather won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2006 for their work on the COBE satellite which took these measurements over a 4 year period. On the fundamental importance of the findings, George Smoot said, "If you're religious, it's like looking at God."

 

[OntarioVanMan]

OVM,
Have some faith in the country, we are not left of center as much as the country tolerates unions. Unions are pushing for some drastic changes and the country's attitude is demonstrated in the fact that they refuse to buy US made products because of the underlining political differences between them (the people who make the country work) and the unionized worker.

I think, maybe I am wrong but history has proven me right so far, that there is the swing to the left right now but it will be short lived and it will swing to a more sane position in the future.

There is one remaining problem that has yet to be properly address, Job Loss. The more recent "summit" showed the division between the administration, their supporters and the rest of the country. There won't be any help to the people who produce jobs simply because of the mess that the administration as made out of what they are going to do.

The congress will change, people are getting fed up, not because of the political postion of the people on congress but because they are not doing a thing to bring jobs to the people. I have said this before and will again and again - people vote with their pocket book.

I have faith Greg...not in the government but the people that make this country so great...

 

[chefdennis]

Dang!! I go home for the weekend (well the load took me there, couldn't deliver until Monday am) and all breaks loose!! LOL, its hell to be Loved!!! But I appreciate it!!

 

[jaminjim]

Whether you believe in Creationism is irrelevant to the fact that the Big Bang happened. The discovery and measurement of the black-body form and anisotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation proves beyond all doubt that the Big Bang actually occurred.

Just like the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory is not a theory, it's a fact. A theory is postulated, and then observation and experiment either confirms or refutes all or part of the theory. That which is refuted must therefor be dismissed in favor of what is true, what is provable, that which cannot be denied. In the case of The Big Bang, like all theories, there is a long list of "if/then" questions that must be answered. The Laws of Physics dictate many of the answers, and if observation and experiment defy these unambiguous laws, then the theory must be altered or dismissed. All of the questions had been answered until recently, except two.

The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) was famously discovered in 1964 by two Bell Labs employees while working on an ultra-sensitive radio astronomy microwave receiver where they encountered "static" they could not explain. They discovered, it was theorized, the remnants of the Big Bang.

Physics dictates that if the Big Bang happened the way the theory states, then certain things must be true. Two of them is that the temperature of the cosmic background radiation must be a certain temperature, a very specific temperature, and that the radiation cannot be uniform throughout the universe (otherwise galaxies, galaxy clusters, stars and planets could not have formed). At the time of the Big Bang the temperature of the radiation would be unimaginably hot, but after all this time it would have cooled down significantly. But not merely by an inexact "a lot", but by an exacting mathematically predictable amount. If the Big Bang were to have happened, and if it happened when they said it did, then the CMB, as predicted by physics, must be 2.7° Kelvin at this point in time. Also, the radiation itself cannot be homogeneous (isotropy - evenly distributed), it must be anisotropic (of unequal physical properties along different axes - lumpy).

It turns out that not only is the CMB anisotropic, it is exactly 2.7° Kelvin.

Those two final litmus strips, announced in 1992, move the Big Bang Theory from a theory to an absolute irrefutable fact.

The findings have since been independently confirmed several times, and Smoot is currently working on a 3rd generation CMB satellite, Planck (named after Max Plank, I'm sure), to further refine the measurements of the anisotropy.

George Smoot (Upper Arlington High graduate) and John Mather won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2006 for their work on the COBE satellite which took these measurements over a 4 year period. On the fundamental importance of the findings, George Smoot said, "If you're religious, it's like looking at God."

The Theory only seems to match the facts if they don't figure in the first 3.1 something seconds. In order for the facts to match the theory they say that the Law of Physics did not apply. So you could come with any answer if you don't count the facts for a certain amount of time.

Yes it took me awhile to find it, and I'm still digging for the next salvo.

 

[Turtle]

All I'm saying is, the Big Bang and Creationism aren't mutually exclusive. One doesn't discount the other, not by a long shot.

 

[jaminjim]

All I'm saying is, the Big Bang and Creationism aren't mutually exclusive. One doesn't discount the other, not by a long shot.

Well I will try to see if they can both be correct, based on some stuff that I found there are some problems that the pundits try to explain.
But I am trying to wrap my brain around the very beginning "there was nothing, and then there was everything" in the universe.