Republicans Start To Cave

[Pilgrim]

Looks like the Republicans are beginning to crumble one by one as we get closer to the "fiscal cliff". Boehner has already shown signs of his usual weakness, now Chambliss is selling out. No one should be surprised when 2013 comes around and taxes go up, spending cuts are forgotten and the next phase of the double-dip recession takes effect. Annual trillion-dollar deficits will be a way of life for another four years if not longer, and the GOP will continue to wonder why its conservative base stays home on election days.

A top Republican senator is casting aside an anti-tax pledge he signed, saying that solving the country’s looming fiscal crisis is more important than honoring the decades-old pact.Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., broke ranks with other conservatives Wednesday when he made the remarks to a local television station. Chambliss is a member of the Gang of Six, a bipartisan group of senators tasked with finding a solution to the country's fiscal woes

Read more: Top Republican Senator ditches Norquist anti-tax pledge | Fox News

 

[LDB]

And they wonder why we hate them and their approval rating is around 10% with people wishing them evil.

 

[layoutshooter]

But we voted them back in AGAIN! Nothing changed so nothing will.

 

[Pilgrim]

That's the trouble with those meaningless congressional opinion polls - the public thinks everybody else's senator or congressman is a bum, but theirs is OK. Most will vote to re-elect them because they recognize the name but have no idea what kind of job they've done.

 

[layoutshooter]

That's the trouble with those meaningless congressional opinion polls - the public thinks everybody else's senator or congressman is a bum, but theirs is OK. Most will vote to re-elect them because they recognize the name but have no idea what kind of job they've done.

That is just ONE of the reasons I have repeatedly said to VOTE ALL THE BUMS OUT!

 

[mjmsprt40]

I voted a solid Republican ticket. Every last one of my choices got shot down, not even one elected/re-elected. I live in Du Page County, which traditionally has been solid Republican...

Now, Romney ran what in my opinion was a weak campaign. I used to live in the 6th Congressional District, which is still Republican, but because of gerrymandering of the districts I now live in the 8th Congressional District. The Republican incumbent lost to the Democratic challenger. So, that accounts for two losses. Republicans just didn't do well here this time around, and some of that was because of hoof-in-mouth disease. Republicans can say some of the most remarkably stupid things when they allow Democrats to make abortion the issue, and that sunk them.

 

[layoutshooter]

The Rumbumlicans WANTED to lose. They will let Obama take as much power as he can from the People and then THEY will have that power when they take over some day. They won't get the blame for it but it will be in place and unable to be reversed. Pretty slick!

 

[aristotle]

The national Republican Party has become a real disappointment for me. There just doesn't seem to be any real fight in them lately. The Republican Establishment entrenched in Washington stinks on ice. I cannot think of one prominent GOP incumbent who is genuinely trying to advance the conservative movement in a meaningful way. Exceptions would include Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum among a few others. Yeah, I know Santorum is not currently an incumbent and might never win office again. Conservative ideas are a hard sell because they require personal responsibility, sacrifice, hard work and delayed gratification.

I hold out hope that the Tea Party movement will find renewed energy. It is the only grassroots conservative movement to achieve any success in the last decade. The Tea Party swept the GOP into a massive Congressional landslide in 2010. Yet, the Tea Party didn't really turn out the vote for Mitt Romney earlier this month. An Establishment figure like Romney would never fire up the conservative base. So long as the GOP nominates Northeastern moderates, conservative turnout will be less than optimal.

 

[Humble2drive]

The national Republican Party has become a real disappointment for me. There just doesn't seem to be any real fight in them lately. The Republican Establishment entrenched in Washington stinks on ice. I cannot think of one prominent GOP incumbent who is genuinely trying to advance the conservative movement in a meaningful way. . .

The Tea Party has developed an unfavorable image to many voters; however, theirs is not the only way to return toward a more conservative Republican party. As one door shuts sometimes another one opens.
Carl Rove and the other puppet masters who turned the party towards "compassionate conservatism" may have lost their power. Some think this could open the door to a "Reagan Renaissance" .

The End Of The Karl Rove Death Grip Signals A Reagan Renaissance

Eight Republican Reagan Renaissance Men are entering their prime. Removing Rove’s death-grip on the party, with party donors now freed to pursue principled victory rather than a prestige brand name, the Reagan Revolution now can morph into a Reagan Renaissance.
In the House, three rising stars stand out as leaders of the Reagan Renaissance. These are Kevin Brady, Jim Jordan, and, of course, Paul Ryan.

 

[layoutshooter]

No more Reagan or any other old school Rumbumlicans. Just more of the 'good ole boy' garbage that has brought us to the mess we are in with Obama and the Demoncrats.

We NEED to return to our roots. What we fought for in 1776. FREEDOM! LIBERTY! The RIGHT of Self-determination and the challenges it allows us to defeat.

 

[Moot]

And they wonder why we hate them and their approval rating is around 10% with people wishing them evil.

Yet you keep voting for them claiming the "lesser of two evils."

Ooops! I forgot about your new sigline: Don't blame me. My vote wasn't thrown away and wasted. Mine actually counted for something. If your vote "actually" counted for something, that means you voted for Obama because a vote for Romney was a wasted vote, he didn't win. Had you voted for Gary Johnson your vote may have counted for something even though he didn't win. Think about it! You've got almost 4 years.

 

[aristotle]

Yet you keep voting for them claiming the "lesser of two evils."

Ooops! I forgot about your new sigline: Don't blame me. My vote wasn't thrown away and wasted. Mine actually counted for something. If your vote "actually" counted for something, that means you voted for Obama because a vote for Romney was a wasted vote, he didn't win. Had you voted for Gary Johnson your vote may have counted for something even though he didn't win. Think about it! You've got almost 4 years.

Moot.... presuming LDB voted for Romney, his vote absolutely counted as Romney secured all of the Texas electoral votes. All any voter can do in any presidential election is help ensure their home state's electoral votes accrue to their candidate. A presidential election is actually 50 state races where electoral votes are up for grabs. The only power your vote has is to secure electoral delegates for your preferred candidate within your home state. It's all you can do with a vote for president. A Romney vote in Texas was a winning vote. A Romney vote in California was a losing vote.

 

[Pilgrim]

Moot.... presuming LDB voted for Romney, his vote absolutely counted as Romney secured all of the Texas electoral votes. All any voter can do in any presidential election is help ensure their home state's electoral votes accrue to their candidate. A presidential election is actually 50 state races where electoral votes are up for grabs. The only power your vote has is to secure electoral delegates for your preferred candidate within your home state. It's all you can do with a vote for president. A Romney vote in Texas was a winning vote. A Romney vote in California was a losing vote.

Well said - and by the same reasoning, a vote for Gary Johnson or some other fringe candidate was wasted no matter where it was cast.

 

[muttly]

I voted a solid Republican ticket. Every last one of my choices got shot down, not even one elected/re-elected. I live in Du Page County, which traditionally has been solid Republican...

Now, Romney ran what in my opinion was a weak campaign. I used to live in the 6th Congressional District, which is still Republican, but because of gerrymandering of the districts I now live in the 8th Congressional District. The Republican incumbent lost to the Democratic challenger. So, that accounts for two losses. Republicans just didn't do well here this time around, and some of that was because of hoof-in-mouth disease. Republicans can say some of the most remarkably stupid things when they allow Democrats to make abortion the issue, and that sunk them.

Agree,they can have some hoof-in-mouth disease particularly when talking about abortion. For the most part, they need to keep the pontificating about it to themselves because invariably something will be said that doesn't sound right and the Dems will demagogue it to death. By the way , I think the Dems have hoof-in mouth disease too ,but they are held to a different standard and mostly aren't held accountable.

 

[Moot]

Well said...

Yeah, but it misses the point of Leo quote:

And they wonder why we hate them and their approval rating is around 10% with people wishing them evil.

If you hate them so much why keep voting for them? What kind of message do you send the Republican Party by continually voting for them?

...and by the same reasoning, a vote for Gary Johnson or some other fringe candidate was wasted no matter where it was cast.

If more people voted for Gary Johnson, Rosanne Barr or Jim Carlson, they wouldn't be fringe candidates, Romney and Obama would be. If you want to keep on voting for the same old, same old and expect a different outcome, fine. Just don't whine about it and tell others their vote was wasted. If you want real change don't take such a short term view and forgo your desire for instant gratification. A vote for a "fringe candidate" in 2012 could be the impetus for a viable 3rd party candidate in 2016 or 2020.

 

[RLENT]

Moot, my good man ... you're just making too much sense ...

Stop it immediately !

 

[Tennesseahawk]

But we voted them back in AGAIN! Nothing changed so nothing will.

Uh... lesser of two evils crap again. Voting for evil = no honor.

 

[layoutshooter]

Uh... lesser of two evils crap again. Voting for evil = no honor.

That is EXACTLY why we should have voted ALL the bums out! Regardless of party.

 

[davekc]

In a perfect world I could almost agree with you. Bad news is, no perfect world. A third party at this point isn't even on the radar as they have no money compared to the dems or republicans.
Takes big money to compete at a national level. Just a reality.
Changing demographics proved that in this last election. Add that most of the independents aren't bringing "free gifts" for the electorate, no reason the majority would vote for them.
As in all things political, just follow the money.

 

[layoutshooter]

In a perfect world I could almost agree with you. Bad news is, no perfect world. A third party at this point isn't even on the radar as they have no money compared to the dems or republicans.
Takes big money to compete at a national level. Just a reality.
Changing demographics proved that in this last election. Add that most of the independents aren't bringing "free gifts" for the electorate, no reason the majority would vote for them.


As in all things political, just follow the money.

Keep voting them out, every election, year in and year out, and big money will leave. They ONLY stay because they can own who they back.