Rate per mile?

golfournut

Veteran Expediter
When I was with Panther, I looked at the flat rate program. I was at $1.20/ per mile plus fsc. I always negotiated tolls and DH on every load. Most of the time I got what I wanted. After 3 quarters I calculated out total miles to revenue vs what it would have been if it were flat rate. I came up with about $150.00 more that if I was on flat rate. When I started talking with other drivers about the DH miles that were on flat rate, most said their DH was about 11-15%. I was running 22%.
What I could never figure out was, I getting the longer DH loads because I wasn't on flat rate, or the ones that was on flat rate weren't getting those offers because they were on flat rate.
The flat rate at panther did not cover miles from consignee to layover position. Usually when I negotiated DH, I included those miles.
But, for $150 difference, I still wonder sometimes if it was worth all that effort and negotiating.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Technology is making meat in the seat easier to do because...
Technology is probably what got you and Diane interested in trucking in the first place. It wasn't all that long ago that air ride suspension, automatic transmissions, power steering, air conditioning and all the other amenities were the exception rather than common place and expected. Trucking was more physically challenging. My left arm and left leg are still larger and more muscular than their right side counterparts. The left hemisphere of my brain is equal to the right hemisphere; flaccid and shrinking.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Technology is probably what got you and Diane interested in trucking in the first place. It wasn't all that long ago that air ride suspension, automatic transmissions, power steering, air conditioning and all the other amenities were the exception rather than common place and expected. Trucking was more physically challenging.

Interesting point about the technologies you mention, all of which are about driver comfort (and perhaps safety), and are taken for granted today. The newer technologies are of a different sort. They create an information link between truck and carrier and thereby change what carriers used to rely on drivers to do.

The next, longer-term, step would be to save more money by eliminating driver comfort items. That can be done by eliminating the drivers themselves. See: Imagine a Future Without Trucks

This is not far-fetched. With drone aircraft technology now developed, conversations are underway to allow cargo planes to fly themselves. Good news for the carriers. Bad news for the pilots who fly FedEx and UPS planes on regular routes.

Planes fly themselves now. Cars drive themselves now. Technology eliminated the caboose on trains. Robot trucks are on the way.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Technology is probably what got you and Diane interested in trucking in the first place. It wasn't all that long ago that air ride suspension, automatic transmissions, power steering, air conditioning and all the other amenities were the exception rather than common place and expected. Trucking was more physically challenging. My left arm and left leg are still larger and more muscular than their right side counterparts. The left hemisphere of my brain is equal to the right hemisphere; flaccid and shrinking.

Moot, this is a point I tried to make a while ago, when we have the conveniences in the truck to make them drive like a car, then we get drivers who can't drive in them.

I lost my A/C last year and I said something to one of the "truck drivers" sitting next to me at the truck stop. He was beside himself with any idea of not having any A/C in a truck. I remember when I learned to drive a truck, a GMC Astro, there wasn't any A/C in that and taking a trip to Arizona that summer reminded me that my loss of A/C in my little truck wasn't as bad as that trip to Arizona.

Interesting point about the technologies you mention, all of which are about driver comfort (and perhaps safety), and are taken for granted today. The newer technologies are of a different sort. They create an information link between truck and carrier and thereby change what carriers used to rely on drivers to do.

Actually Phil, even though you don't read my post, this technology isn't new and because you are faced with the EOBR, the rest of the world isn't in tune with reality.

When I started in this business in 2005, I already knew what was being done to track trucks and the only thing has changed is the way we get the info, not the technology use to capture it. We see only a small percentage of what is out there. Many of us don't deal with anything beyond EOBRs and only then that is older technology.

I think you said that we don't have to do pre-trips, they can be done at the office - not really because people with eyes need to see things.

The next, longer-term, step would be to save more money by eliminating driver comfort items. That can be done by eliminating the drivers themselves. See: Imagine a Future Without Trucks

Good attempt in reading the future via 1963, need to polish up on technology and what is actually being done.

This is not far-fetched. With drone aircraft technology now developed, conversations are underway to allow cargo planes to fly themselves. Good news for the carriers. Bad news for the pilots who fly FedEx and UPS planes on regular routes.

Pilots are going to be around for a long long time, no pilotless aircraft in a commercial setting for a long long time. Just imagine what would have happened with the flight that landed in the Hudson, using drone technology, it would have been disastrous. Instead the pilot made decisions in the seat with experience and his ability to judge the feel of the aircraft.

Planes fly themselves now. Cars drive themselves now. Technology eliminated the caboose on trains. Robot trucks are on the way.

Drones fly themselves, cars park themselves and many of the cabooses were replaced by FREDs or EOTD.

Robot trucks?

Maybe in the next century but before that happens, I think we will see a strengthening of the rail industry.

With all of that said, technology offers us tools to become more efficient in doing our work. It allows us to be safe and to be able to find our work. Nothing wrong with an EOBR, it is a long time coming. Nothing wrong with a truck that uses technology, it makes our job easier.
 

scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The carriers have another option, one that has been used by line haul carriers for years. If a driver shortage develops, they can recruit their way out of it. If recruiting becomes difficult, they can lower their standards. There are millions of scum bags out there who have never driven a truck before and therefore have perfect CSA records.






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I've always chosen to concern myself with my own business and not the "scum bags". Wow
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well Scott, many are still all upset with the CSA program and many have bought into the BS that this will thin out the herd and cause a driver shortage. furthermore many think that the program will bring to light all the bad drivers out there, like roaches in the sun. In order for that to happen, they have to start inspecting every truck on the road with thousands of LEOs who can write violations which won't ever happen. I think somewhere it is mentioned that there is one LEO for every 150 trucks.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I've always chosen to concern myself with my own business and not the "scum bags". Wow

When your carrier opens its doors, not necessarily to scum bags, but to owner-operators who cannot afford their own base plates, it becomes your business.

When carriers put technology in trucks that enable them to higher less professional people at a lower price, that too becomes your business.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
When your carrier opens its doors, not necessarily to scum bags, but to owner-operators who cannot afford their own base plates, it becomes your business.

When carriers put technology in trucks that enable them to higher less professional people at a lower price, that too becomes your business.

A lot of carriers offer base plates for their contractors and charge them back for it - it is the same with signage and other things that are charge to the contractor. The number of medium and large carrier who provide "micro-loans" for things like base plates outweigh those who don't. By the way, it eliminates the hassles of going through the yearly process with the IRP, etc...

Technology?

really?

I think Phil is in a panic mode again.
 

scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
When your carrier opens its doors, not necessarily to scum bags, but to owner-operators who cannot afford their own base plates, it becomes your business.

When carriers put technology in trucks that enable them to higher less professional people at a lower price, that too becomes your business.

You're the one who called them scum bags. Very telling.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Interesting point about the technologies you mention, all of which are about driver comfort (and perhaps safety), and are taken for granted today. The newer technologies are of a different sort. They create an information link between truck and carrier and thereby change what carriers used to rely on drivers to do.

I realize you were referring to information technology and it's effect of further dumbing down truck drivers. The popularity of the technologies I mentioned opened up truck driving opportunities for another group of "scumbag", women and thin armed pencil pushers. Trucks no longer require gorilla armed male morons to operate them. Any moron will do, male or female.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I remember when I learned to drive a truck, a GMC Astro, there wasn't any A/C in that and taking a trip to Arizona that summer reminded me that my loss of A/C in my little truck wasn't as bad as that trip to Arizona.

The glass in those Astros and Titans did let in a bunch of light and solar energy. You couldn't even "adjust" yourself without the whole world seeing you. Hope you were wearing pants!
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
You're the one who called them scum bags. Very telling.

You are going down an errant path. Go back and look at what I wrote exactly. Scum bag is a figure of speach in that context. It does not refer to anyone in particular.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The popularity of the technologies I mentioned opened up truck driving opportunities for another group of "scumbag", women and thin armed pencil pushers.

That would be Diane and me. We would never have considered trucking if air conditioning, power steering and such would not have been available. White collar scum bags we were! And there were those who hated us all the more when we made the job look easy.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Thinking more about the new FDCC base plate deal, I was too quick to criticize. There are pros and cons.

While it remains true, I believe, that an owner-operator who cannot afford one's own base plate is an owner-operator who could benefit from improving one's business and money management practices, it is also true that the monthly fee FDCC charges for its base plates may save a contractor some money, depending on the truck being plated.

Diane and I would pay less for our base plate each year if we got one through FDCC. However, we would not make that deal because we like the independence and freedom of movement having our own base plate provides.

If FDCC decides to dump us, or if we decided to dump them, the base plate would stay with them and we would be stuck or at least significantly inconvenienced while we made other base plate arrangements.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
1331 views
55 replies
18 PM's
And only 7 people answered the question.
OVM who is in a Sprinter.
Greg who is on a dedicated run.
nightcreacher who is no longer with an expedite company.
John Clark who said what he pays, but not an all miles average.
davekc who is a fleet owner, and although he didn't list an all miles rate he did give enough numbers to calculate a rate.
Scuba who is in a tractor.
Golfornut gave some info that could be used to calculate an all miles rate.
To those that answered thank you.
To everyone else I can only assume by you silence that you either do not know how much you are getting per mile all miles, you don't think it's anyone else's business or the rate is so low it would be an embarrassment to post it on a public forum.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
It could also be that you are looking specifically for rates for a "D" unit so you will get a limited number of replies. 1331-55=1276 views with no response, sorry that was me.

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
The original question from post number 1 was:

For a "D" truck what is your average rate per mile for all miles including dead head? Not including fuel surcharge, tolls or any accessorials. Please include what company you are leased to.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
jj wrote:

The original question from post number 1 was:

For a "D" truck what is your average rate per mile for all miles including dead head? Not including fuel surcharge, tolls or any accessorials. Please include what company you are leased to.

and since I don't drive a "D" truck...I didn't send or post my numbers....besides when a few of us posted our nmbers we were told we were "bragging" more then once by more then a few that weren't getting thosekind of numbers...
 
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