Rate per mile?

[jjoerger]

There have been several threads in the General forum about the FedEx flat rate program. I've noticed that with a few exceptions no one else is posting there numbers or there rate per mile all miles. No one from Express 1, Tri State, Load 1, Bolt, All State Express or JD Clark has said anything in any of the other threads about the flat rate program and how it compares to the program they have.
I'm sure most of you know what you are getting paid for the total miles you drive.

So the question is, for a "D" truck what is your average rate per mile for all miles including dead head? Not including fuel surcharge, tolls or any accessorials. Please include what company you are leased to.

 

[JOHNCLARK]

I don't want to "hi jack" your post, but I'm curious what O/O's are collecting on their deadhead miles? We are currently covering $1. all miles for straight trucks d/h. Thanks!!

 

[layoutshooter]

It would be an interesting thing to have all carriers list their cost per mile, just freight rates, no FSC or any other accessorials.

For all size trucks. Have them post rates for both dry box and reefer.

Any bets that this will happen soon?

 

[jjoerger]

It would be an interesting thing to have all carriers list their cost per mile, just freight rates, no FSC or any other accessorials.

For all size trucks. Have them post rates for both dry box and reefer.

Any bets that this will happen soon?

Many are quick to criticize the flat rate at FedEx, but are unwilling to post there real numbers for comparison.
Why? Is it that big of a secret? Is it that bad?
I know what Panther, Express 1 and Tristate pay per loaded mile. But only a driver will know there actual dead head percentage, compensation for deadhead and actual rate for all miles. (The answer you get from the carriers is "We try to keep deadhead to a minimum and less than 10 percent.) To that I say, "Sure you do."

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Some might be embarrassed to publish they are running $1.00 to $1.20 all in. Some are holding on by the finger nails.

I personally think your deal is not all that bad...all the criticism is based on IF and that is IF the Feds cut your DH down...

IF your truck is getting over 9 miles a G. then 100% of your fuel is paid on ALL miles...

 

[layoutshooter]

Some might be embarrassed to publish they are running $1.00 to $1.20 all in. Some are holding on by the finger nails.

I personally think your deal is not all that bad...all the criticism is based on IF and that is IF the Feds cut your DH down...

IF your truck is getting over 9 miles a G. then 100% of your fuel is paid on ALL miles...

Well, I would take a HUGH cut in pay if I were to go DOWN to $1.75, including FSC. I only take loads that pay that low, IF they are not reefer, IF they are very light in weight or IF it suits family needs. Other wise, nope.

 

[nightcreacher]

Many are quick to criticize the flat rate at FedEx, but are unwilling to post there real numbers for comparison.
Why? Is it that big of a secret? Is it that bad?
I know what Panther, Express 1 and Tristate pay per loaded mile. But only a driver will know there actual dead head percentage, compensation for deadhead and actual rate for all miles. (The answer you get from the carriers is "We try to keep deadhead to a minimum and less than 10 percent.) To that I say, "Sure you do."

Im not at Tri State any longer,not because of them,but no truck.LAst year my revenue per mile was almost the same as it was at FDCC,I averaged $1.49 all miles,loaded and empty.Sure,Im in a tractor,what this was was 5200 dollars a week,.I'm now with a refridgerated company,leasing a truck from them,and I'm still doing over 1.50 for all miles,of course I'm solo,so my miles are down.Im averaging 3750 a week,and no codriver to pay,so take home is actually more

 

[layoutshooter]

Im not at Tri State any longer,not because of them,but no truck.LAst year my revenue per mile was almost the same as it was at FDCC,I averaged $1.49 all miles,loaded and empty.Sure,Im in a tractor,what this was was 5200 dollars a week,.I'm now with a refridgerated company,leasing a truck from them,and I'm still doing over 1.50 for all miles,of course I'm solo,so my miles are down.Im averaging 3750 a week,and no codriver to pay,so take home is actually more

Who are you with now?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Im not at Tri State any longer,not because of them,but no truck.LAst year my revenue per mile was almost the same as it was at FDCC,I averaged $1.49 all miles,loaded and empty.Sure,Im in a tractor,what this was was 5200 dollars a week,.I'm now with a refridgerated company,leasing a truck from them,and I'm still doing over 1.50 for all miles,of course I'm solo,so my miles are down.Im averaging 3750 a week,and no codriver to pay,so take home is actually more

So you saying the Feds flat rate plus FSC is not too bad a deal either? for a straight?

 

[davekc]

There is usually an unfavorable reason that a carrier won't disclose their rates. Or......"you have to call". Usually a code phrase for some BS we would like to throw at you.
Seeing a lot of carriers over the last couple of years saying one thing, but paying much less.
As for DH, Panther currently pays .50 to 1.00 from point of dispatch. Rate depends on your contract.

 

[jjoerger]

I'm not good a doing the multi quote thing but I want to respond to all that have posted so far.

OVM-- There is basically no unpaid DH (except for personal use) and the DH pays the same as loaded. I think you may be right about the embarrassment factor.

Layout--Your a TVAL truck. I understand why you need and get the rate you do.

nightcreacher--would you run dry van for $1.55 or reefer for $1.70 all miles if they kept you moving as much as you wanted. (legally of course)

davekc--when you add your deadhead miles to your loaded miles and add your deadhead pay to your loaded pay how much do you average? Let's use $1.20 for the loaded pay and $.50 for the deadhead. On a 1000 mile run with a 200 mile deadhead the pay would be $1060 or $1.06 per mile. But on a 1000 mile run with a 300 mile deadhead the pay would only be $990 or $.99 per mile. So maybe I should be asking what is your real percentage of deadhead?

 

[JOHNCLARK]

There is usually an unfavorable reason that a carrier won't disclose their rates. Or......"you have to call". Usually a code phrase for some BS we would like to throw at you.
Seeing a lot of carriers over the last couple of years saying one thing, but paying much less.
As for DH, Panther currently pays .50 to 1.00 from point of dispatch. Rate depends on your contract.

We are currently at $1. all deadhead miles (no free miles) and as of today we are at $1.50 all in(includes fuel) for a linehaul mile. These are straight truck rates. Then of course Canada is a premium, over $2. a mile in and out loaded or empty with a minimum paid if the mileage is less than our Canadian minimum. And we pay domestic mimimum is $400 for less than 75 miles. It seems to work, some customers of course pay better than others so we can sometimes pass on "expedite bonuses" on direct shippers. We should be getting better rates, I would agree but the market is saturated with mom and pop shops with low to no overhead and killing our tariffs!

Almost forgot, we cover border crossing fees also. $50. one way.

 

[davekc]

Rates for Panther on a straight are anywhere from 1.20 to 1.75 plus FSC. Depends on whether a truck has a gate or reefer.
Several different contracts move between those numbers.
Flat raters I beleive are at 1.10. Not sure if that is a current number.
FSC seems to be somewhere around .35 to .45 the past couple of weeks. Canada is $130 to cross the border plus whatever your rate is with FSC. Shorties are pretty much whatever you can negotiate. On paper they say 99 for a less than 100. Not sure anyone even runs these? Broker loads are at 85 percent of the gross. Most of those are 1.00 to 2.50 all in per individual shipment. Many don't break the FSC out separately. Sometimes you can put several on at one time.
As for deadhead, our fleet average for this year so far is 11 percent.

 

[Scuba]

I am a tractor solo and i get $1.30 a mile for all miles + fsc on the loaded it depends on the contract that you came in with i know some are getting more and some are getting less. At the time i started it was $0.20 off of your cntract rate to get the all miles program. I don't know what they are paying for new contracts. with my Dh i adv $3500.00 gross a week running short miles bevcause i stay in my box. Ohio to the east Ia Canada boarder to the north and Huntsville Al to the south. This works well for me it may not work for others.

 

[jjoerger]

John Clark, davekc and scuba, thank you.

Contractors for Express 1, Tristate, Load 1 and others, how about a realistic all miles rate? You guys know how much you are averaging. Please share.

 

[ATeam]

This is good information; exactly what I need to develop my all expediters spreadsheet. Since the information is now available in one, easy place, I'll redo the revenue section to accommodate different compensation arrangements. (See this).

 

[nightcreacher]

So you saying the Feds flat rate plus FSC is not too bad a deal either? for a straight?

ovm i dont have any idea what the flat rate for fdcc is.My pay at tri state was a mileage rate,but only my loaded miles were flat rated.
Ive always done percentage contracts,thats what i believe in.im on pecentage contract now.I'm with Colonioal Freight Systems out of Knoxville Tn.I'm running from West palm Beach fl to West Seneca Ny,West Seneca NY to Murfreesboro TN,Murfreesboro Tn to MIami Fl.2987 actual miles
4570 revenue. There flat rtate system doesnt pay as well

 

[jjoerger]

ovm i dont have any idea what the flat rate for fdcc is.My pay at tri state was a mileage rate,but only my loaded miles were flat rated.
Ive always done percentage contracts,thats what i believe in.im on pecentage contract now.I'm with Colonioal Freight Systems out of Knoxville Tn.I'm running from West palm Beach fl to West Seneca Ny,West Seneca NY to Murfreesboro TN,Murfreesboro Tn to MIami Fl.2987 actual miles
4570 revenue. There flat rtate system doesnt pay as well

Flat rate for an E truck pulling a company supplied reefer trailer is $1.73 per mile. That run would pay $5167.51.

 

[nightcreacher]

jj,I run solo,to be on the flat rate reefer ,you have to be team,after you pay co driver and the 5100 bucks you talk about,im clearing more running here at colonial

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Last night as I was driving I was thinking about this post...the idea of locking into a flat rate....Now this is all assumption but...

Looking at the big picture and the present market conditions...

we are in a slump....rates are about as low as they will get(hopefully)...trucks are being parked...capacity is dropping...
Then add in the CSA and the coming of EOBR...should thin the herd.
to me this would indicate that sooner then later the lack of equipment (supply and demand), rates should inch up again and you'll be locked into a flat rate.

What I am saying is...I am averaging about $1.25 a loaded mile and around $1,05 all miles....and this is at so called depressed rates and I am a sprinter....so where will that leave you when rates inch upward....

IMO