Pilot/J accused of rebate fraud, Millions of $

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
The high markup of prices in the truckstops is neither cheating nor greed - drivers are free to purchase the same products elsewhere. [And I certainly do.]
What the PFJ corp was doing is unquestionably cheating, motivated by greed. The tone of disdain for both customers and employees is quite clear in the comments I've seen [taken from PFJ mgmt emails] and it's just disheartening that these are the kind of people who are hailed as examples of the success one can achieve with hard work.
Well, they were last week.

 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
If your throwing these Qs out for anyone Ill bite.

1. At the point of charging nearly 3 times the market price for something just because you have a captive audience. I don't mind paying a lil extra @ a truck stop but highly inflated prices we see are shameful and I consider it greed.
Had you been in expediting in the 1990s you would have met your own criteria for shameful greed. Shippers were limited to a very few national expedite carriers. If they wanted freight moved immediately they payed big time for expedite service.

If you don't like the prices truck stops charge for convenience store crap, go to WalMart. If you don't like the rates national expedite carriers charge, call a carrier that runs former Penske trucks.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
The difference is I can go buy the same Windex or Rotella at a savings at a Dept Store cheaper than at a truckstop.

If I put my freight on a cut rate carrier can I have the same service,security as a large carrier ?
If you're shipping plastic bags that's one thing.
Who do I want to ship that pallet of I-Pads on ?
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Now that the culture of the company has been exposed, I wonder how many vendors will double check their dealings with Pilot and find " accounting irregularities " ?
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If you work hard for the money you earn you should be able to spend it any way you darn well please. But when does enough become enough? There are two kinds of people. Those who are happy and content with what thy have, and those who will never have enough. I mean what is the difference between someone who makes 100k a year and 1 billion dollars a year? Chances are you probably drive the same types of cars and eat the same quality of food. You probably live in good neighborhoods as well. The only difference is that the guy earning 1 billion dollars can have 500 cars, 500 houses, and 500 more steaks. When does it become excess?

Some people work to earn a living, other people are a slave to money! I don't make a lot of money right now and I'm not missing any home cooked meals or cable television. Money is just a tool to survive and should be treated as such. The only advantage that being rich would ever give an individual is time. It will buy you time to do whatever you want without worrying about where your next meal is going to come from. It won't buy you happiness, love, or health. Money is merely a tool. There's simply nothing more to it.

I look at all of these actors and actresses emassing money, working like crazy, and in the end what is it all for? I personally konw of one man who is 76 years old and still works 12 to 18 hours a day, and the guy is loaded. He thinks if he stops working he will pass away. Well, when he does pass away, who do you think is going to benefit from all of his hard work and money? His kids! There comes a time when having a lot of money can be worth more trouble than not having it at all. You have to have security protecting you all of the time, people coming out of the woodwork to steal your money, and you have to monitor your investments all of the time. Or you can let someone else monitor them for you and rob you blind like Bernie Madoff. This life is but a fleeting glimpse. I truly feel sorry for those who waste it in search of the all mighty dollar.
 
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aquitted

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Strange indeed. Few topics stay on topic for long as natural conversational flow takes them from one topic to another. We are not as far off topic as you may think. You raised the issue of corporate greed. I'm responding by asking expediters to consider their own greed and by implication suggesting that individual expediters who are in a for-profit endeavor and big corporations may not be so different.

Such a world we live in. An expediter, whose mind is not consumed by profits, who would charge a shipper $3.00 a mile because he or she has the only truck available when the rate might otherwise be $1.50, is that person greedy or not?

There are accounts in the Open Forum, some by moderators, of times where they manipulated their arrivial to get detention time that they otherwise would not have gotten had they driven straight through as they were able. It was not considered cheating by the person who did it. But does that make it so?

As business people, are expediters any more or less ethical than Pilot Flying J?

Where the violation of an agreement is the issue and blatant cheating happened, it is easy to put another party in the wrong. But what about the high markup of prices of merchandise sold at truck stops? Is that immoral too? And if so, how is marking up our own prices any different?

It's amazing you think $3.00 a mile is ripping off the shipper when thats actually what you need to get to cover expenses, wear and tear and make a living. We are the ones getting ripped off at $1.50 A mile.
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Acquitted, you are right as well. The rates are bad for everyone. I think 1.50 per mile should be a cargo van "all in rate!" The problem is that a lot of people will run cheap to earn a small paycheck. I was actually ashamed when I had to pay drivers 80-85 and even 90 cents per mile on cargo van runs. I felt like I was ripping them off because I know how expensive it is to run a van. I often times made paper thin margins on the loads because I was trying to balance paying a fair rate and keeping the office doors open. I think mostly everyone in every vehicle class is being ripped off right now. I have enough to buy a van and drive again, but even if my medical problems disappeared tomorrow, i'd probably pass on it.

You can make more money driving a swift truck than you can driving a cargo van or straight. I used to make 40k a year driving for MS. Carriers. I idled on their fuel, they paid for the truck, all I did was pay for two meals a day! I never had to get hotel rooms because the truck took good care of me. It was actually a pretty stress free life! No rush freight, no check calls every 3 hours, none of that. I used to deliver in Laredo on a Friday afternoon, sit at the yard all weekend chillin with the drivers, and have a load out by Monday or Tuesday the next week. All the while I idled the truck off their fuel, living it up in a nicely air conditioned ice cold truck. I had my dvd player, refrigerator, room to stretch, and life was great.

I don't doubt for a minute that the ATeam is making good money at Landstar. They have the right set up and they are a team. Landstar also pays pretty good! I wish more companies paid that well. But for the majority of drivers on the road, the rates are pretty crappy. I guess when the penske trucks take over the world and you have missing loads, late loads, drivers who can't even read the dock numbers lol, there might be a change in the way shippers and brokers do business. They outsourced all of the manufacturing jobs, now they're insourcing all of the driving jobs.

My friend had one of those lovely pensky truck drivers come up to him and point to the address on his BOL and then the guy pointed at the building. The guy was trying to figure out in non-verbal communication if he had delivered his load to the prober Penske dock in Laredo Texas. lol. He dropped the load and didn't even know where he was at. That is when we stopped hiring Russian guys who couldn't speak or read english good enough to communicate with our customers properly. When you pay low rates, you're gonna get low quality drivers. It's as plain and simple as that. It's amazing how fast professionalism goes out the window when the price is right. I hope things get better out there for those of you who remain in the business. I really feel for you all!
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I will continue to use Pilot....when the need a rises....anyone that does not plan well enough, deserves the penalty of paying over inflated prices in the store. This problem they are having does not concern me one bit....
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
. This problem they are having does not concern me one bit....
The LEAST we can all do {i did} is contact our carrier to make sure the carrier actually got those rebates back, and go over our statements for the last year & make sure the carrier pass those saving to us.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The LEAST we can all do {i did} is contact our carrier to make sure the carrier actually got those rebates back, and go over our statements for the last year & make sure the carrier pass those saving to us.

I don't use carrier's account.... B of A now gives me 3% rebate monthly up from the 1%..

At my carrier the rebate is .06 a gallon and it shows up on our settlement...and it IS there...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't nuke it, I boil it. For coffee, tea or soup. And I use Dasani only.

I am too lazy...LOL I do have a 1 burner Coleman burner and a pot. I buy the 1/2 dozen eggs at Walmart and hard boil them and peel them for the road...

of ALL the toys I've boughten out here in 13 yrs...I have the original 1 burner Coleman!!!
 

Opel2010

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I am too lazy...LOL

of ALL the toys I've boughten out here in 13 yrs...I have the original 1 burner Coleman!!!

Got that burner too, since November '97. Originally I bought it for heating, I met an old guy in the parking lot at Meijer, and he recommended it for heating, he was using one. I tried, but I didn't like the smell, so since then I'm using it for what it was designed for!
Hey, I do eggs too, but I make omelet, not boil. Too lazy to peel 'em off!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You got that right...I get so pizzed when dispatch calls and breaks up my good times....and expects me to work....LOL
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Got that burner too, since November '97. Originally I bought it for heating, I met an old guy in the parking lot at Meijer, and he recommended it for heating, he was using one. I tried, but I didn't like the smell, so since then I'm using it for what it was designed for!
Hey, I do eggs too, but I make omelet, not boil. Too lazy to peel 'em off!

we are Waaay off topic....LOL....I have a 2 slice toaster as well...nothing like a real breakfast once and awhile....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
beauty clear crisp morning... side door open...real eggs and toast and almost real coffee...how can 1 complain?.....LOL gotta love this job...!!
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I can cook a mean piece of bacon in a microwave too. Farmer John thin cut bacon. Put four slices on a paper plate with a paper towel on the bottom and one on top. They cook it for 3 minutes. It comes out nice and crisp!
 
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