Papa Johns Pizza cutting hours

davekc · Nov 11, 2012

That is the part many people don't get. They see big corporations and think they have all this ability to pay the healthcare. Some do, but many whether fast food, hotel industry, auto repair places and the list goes on are FRANCHISES. Most don't carry a balance sheet to support those kinds of costs. And no.............some are not awake or they know little about how other businesses operate. If they did, one wouldn't see those types of goofy comments.
If you have over 50 full time employees, you are paying. Most will scale back to under that number or not exceed it.
What does that mean? Yep...you guessed it. More part-timers and more layoffs.
And as previously mentioned, no need to convince anyone. Including a Fox News watcher.

It has already started.

paullud · Nov 11, 2012

layoutshooter said:
Don't like what you are doing? QUIT! I did when I seen what retail was doing. They could not survive on the margins they were working on and costs had to be cut. Simple economics.

That's one thing people fail to realize, everyone thinks every retail store is Walmart. The next issue is technology has lowered the skill set required for retail to one step above bump on a log and with customers now cashing themselves out it has proven they are not needed to run the register.

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muttly · Nov 11, 2012

paullud said:
Why is it any of your business what he does with HIS money? Maybe he has decided his time is worth a certain amount and when he is extorted for several million more it is no longer worth it to him. Just another liberal trying to force their views on everyone else.

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You got love those libs. They even know what size house you have. They licking their chops just thinking how much they can extract from them.

Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

xiggi said:
You really think single restaurants in a chain can easily handle an 80 to 100,000 dollar hit. Those restaurants don't profit hundreds of thousand dollars profit appear. What a ceo makes isn't because of single restaurants. Profit margins on big chains are not that huge and big expenses can make a big difference.

Mcdonalds for instance averages 8 - 10 percent profit per franchise.

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My response was in reference to Pappa.

I have reviewed several franchise agreements and those that I have looked at encourage investing in a "master" type franchise were you can open several units in a geographic territory. The average profits per each individual unit is usually very tight as you have stated. A single unit Pappa Johns would require approximately 25 employees and would be exempt.

Not sure where your 80 to 100k figure comes from? Every situation is different; therefore, the costs of implementation has wide variations. Some already have good qualified health care plans in place and there will be no additional costs while others have been offering horrible or no coverage which will have higher implementation costs.
Applebys has been struggling for a long time so I am not surprised that upgrading their health care plan could pile onto their troubles and a single unit owner would probably have trouble paying for a new oven right now.
As far as McDonalds their current problems are related to their own decision to promote the "dollar" menu as a loss leader to bring in more customers and YES it could be tight for some single unit owners to implement a better health plan in light of the slim margins.
My basic point is that for every end of the world example that Fox promotes there are many more examples of businesses that will not be effected because they already had plans or can absorb the additional costs if any.
The Fox disciples don't ever hear the other side of any story and they don't appear to be open to it.

Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

muttly said:
Really bought into that class warfare I see.Them rich people, git em.

The point seems to have gone completely over your head as class warfare has nothing to do with my comments.

davekc · Nov 11, 2012

Not all, but there are many franshise operators that have more than one location that gets them past the 50 employee mark. This will also slow job creation because there is no reason to expand just to give it away. McDonalds currently has a exemption but I can't remember for how long. I also think it only pertains to corporate stores. Not sure if it was extended to franchise operators?
Just heard Friday that a local Serv-pro franchise operator (cleaning operation) will scale back. Same reasons as the others.
I think as far as Fox viewers, they warned for over a long period that this was coming with Obamacare while others pretended it wasn't going to happen. That is where the difference is.
As mentioned, whether you watch Fox or MSNBC, it doesn't change what is coming or has already started.

cheri1122 · Nov 11, 2012

paullud said:
That's one thing people fail to realize, everyone thinks every retail store is Walmart. The next issue is technology has lowered the skill set required for retail to one step above bump on a log and with customers now cashing themselves out it has proven they are not needed to run the register.

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I don't think any other company is WalMart, but I think a lot of them [too many] wannabe. WalMart led the way in cutting costs [labor being a huge component] in whatever ways they could find, even extending to some pretty unethical manuevers [such as taking out life insurance policies on entry level workers without their knowledge]. In fact, WalMart pioneered the maximum profit pathway, to the point that they suffered a backlash when some of their methods became known, and they were forced to tone it down a bit or lose a great chunk of their customers.
Other companies learned to copy the methods, and to keep it undercover, because the general public doesn't approve of bullying by those with power over those without.

xxiv24 · Nov 11, 2012

Papa Johns actually has hours for pizza cutting???? Wowzers!!!!

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Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

paullud said:
Why is it any of your business what he does with HIS money? Maybe he has decided his time is worth a certain amount and when he is extorted for several million more it is no longer worth it to him. Just another liberal trying to force their views on everyone else.

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It is absolutely none of my business what he does with his money. Never said it was.

It will probably be worth it to him as long as his profit exceeds the additional costs.

Are you referring to me as a liberal pushing a view??

You seem to be making a personal judgement about me based on my willingness to debate a specific topic. Your fallback method of debating is to throw out a conclusion about what I am and say that debating a topic is PUSHING a view?
Do you ever think "What would Jesus do?" before you judge someone? Just curious.

BTW - I am not a liberal and I am not "pushing". I am bringing up counterpoints for those who are open to discussing both sides of a topic.

Missie600 · Nov 11, 2012

I read the same reports on Huffington Post and CNN. I like to look at different news sites to get an idea of what everyone is reporting. This is not an exclusive opinionated story from FOX.

Also my mother has worked at Walmart for over 25 years and has always been treated great. She has great benefits and a great retirement fund. She is always baffled when she hears news reports about how awful Walmart employees are treated.

davekc · Nov 11, 2012

cheri1122 said:
I don't think any other company is WalMart, but I think a lot of them [too many] wannabe. WalMart led the way in cutting costs [labor being a huge component] in whatever ways they could find, even extending to some pretty unethical manuevers [such as taking out life insurance policies on entry level workers without their knowledge]. In fact, WalMart pioneered the maximum profit pathway, to the point that they suffered a backlash when some of their methods became known, and they were forced to tone it down a bit or lose a great chunk of their customers.
Other companies learned to copy the methods, and to keep it undercover, because the general public doesn't approve of bullying by those with power over those without.

Walmart is a interesting story related to this topic. Because of how they operate, they forced most of their competitors to adapt the cost slashing mentality or basically be ran out of business. Look at small towns where Walmart came in. It is there you will see the end result. It put many small operations out all the way to including large grocery operators and other retailers. Look at Kmart now.

Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

layoutshooter said:
Don't like what you are doing? QUIT! I did when I seen what retail was doing. They could not survive on the margins they were working on and costs had to be cut. Simple economics.

You simply worked at the wrong place. That doesn't apply to all retail.
2 of my best investments over the past 5 years was Simon Properties (Malls) and DSW (shoes).
DSW reached an all time stock price high 2 weeks ago and has an excellent health care plan in place so Obamacare will not effect future potential.

Didn't you work at one of those big expensive outdoor stores like Cabella's or something?

Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

Missie600 said:
Also my mother has worked at Walmart for over 25 years and has always been treated great. She has great benefits and a great retirement fund. She is always baffled when she hears news reports about how awful Walmart employees are treated.

That is a breath of fresh air and good to hear.
Walmart is a great example of why capitalism is the greatest wealth building system in the world. Perhaps it is the high expectations that American workers have that creates some of the complaints?

pandora2112 · Nov 11, 2012

Missie600 said:
I read the same reports on Huffington Post and CNN. I like to look at different news sites to get an idea of what everyone is reporting. This is not an exclusive opinionated story from FOX.

Also my mother has worked at Walmart for over 25 years and has always been treated great. She has great benefits and a great retirement fund. She is always baffled when she hears news reports about how awful Walmart employees are treated.

I worked at walmart as a pharmacy tech and they do pay well and if you are lucky enough to go full time they don't have bad benefits...my starting wage as pharmacy tech in training (I did not yet have my state certification) was well above the norm. I know a lot of people bag on walmart but they are not the worse offenders of the crimes they are accused of!

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cheri1122 · Nov 11, 2012

davekc said:
Walmart is a interesting story related to this topic. Because of how they operate, they forced most of their competitors to adapt the cost slashing mentality or basically be ran out of business. Look at small towns where Walmart came in. It is there you will see the end result. It put many small operations out all the way to including large grocery operators and other retailers. Look at Kmart now.

It's not KMart I care about, it's all the small family owned businesses that treated their employees fairly that got run out of business by WalMart. Same with the local newspapers, because WM doesn't advertise locally and drove out everyone who did.
We are not better off for it, either, IMHO. The Walton family is, but the rest of us preferred the little shops that hardly exist any more: bakeries, florists - neighborhood places where people would chat with each other.
They really did pave paradise and put up a parking lot, dammit.

bobwg · Nov 11, 2012

cheri1122 said:
It's not KMart I care about, it's all the small family owned businesses that treated their employees fairly that got run out of business by WalMart. Same with the local newspapers, because WM doesn't advertise locally and drove out everyone who did.
We are not better off for it, either, IMHO. The Walton family is, but the rest of us preferred the little shops that hardly exist any more: bakeries, florists - neighborhood places where people would chat with each other.
They really did pave paradise and put up a parking lot, dammit.

oh well life goes on

Humble2drive · Nov 11, 2012

cheri1122 said:
[such as taking out life insurance policies on entry level workers without their knowledge.

Cheri,
You may find this list interesting. These are companies that are "known" to have Dead Peasant insurance policies. Most are keep secret.

If you ever consider boycotting such companies. You would have very few left to do business with.

Which employers bought policies on the lives of employees? – Dead Peasants Insurance FAQ

davekc · Nov 11, 2012

And now the positive side of Walmart that expediters and the trucking industry benefit. Everything from parking, food,to everything a fraction of the cost at a truck stop. How many buy say a gallon of oil from a local vendor or truck stop to help them. Not many of course.

Going on a grander scale, Walmart it can be said single handedly did the most to benefit the poor and low income folks. By coming to locations large and small that many wouldn't even consider, they brought low cost goods of all types in which they benefit. Have to look at ALL of the picture, but it is capitalism at its best and raised the standard of living for many poor folks.