You hit the nail on the head RLENT. Then when the cost of everything they buy goes up and up they will wonder why. Free trade my patute. Layoutshooter
Ontario passes speed limiter
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Layoutshooter I agree 100% we drive 58 mph all of the time by our choice not the governments and we want it to stay that way. With FedEx Custom Critical actively pursuing more Canada freight this huge glitch could make it interesting to see how much it is going to cost the companies to get freight in and out of Canada. Cross docking is sure starting to sound very good at this point.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
I don't see the big deal here.
Just don't go.
How much money did they put aside to enforce this?
Did the OCP buy the computer equipment to do roadside checks?
Will they make it a law that you can not tamper with the J1939 connection on your truck?
Without it, they can't read the ECM and it is not part of the emissions system or anything that is regulated here.
Just don't go.
How much money did they put aside to enforce this?
Did the OCP buy the computer equipment to do roadside checks?
Will they make it a law that you can not tamper with the J1939 connection on your truck?
Without it, they can't read the ECM and it is not part of the emissions system or anything that is regulated here.
warlordblee
Seasoned Expediter
I second what Broompilot said.
First off, let me say I think this is a dumb law. More cops and higher fines are the answer and we should all slow down period.
Here are some facts:
The MTO CANNOT "download" anything. They know they can't do that as that is personal/company info and nothing in the text of the law allows them to do it. It has to be subpoenaed by the courts (accident lawsuit etc.)
The MTO will be able to read any truck that is computer controlled. The units they bought are custom made for this, J1708,1939, OBD2...doesn't matter.
There will be a one year "education" period (grace).
Once they start to do this 2 things will likely happen,
1 is the MTO will f%*k it up, they do with everything else.
2 Some of the large "speedy" automotive carriers (hello Mr. M) will raise bloody hell. When the ON government sits down to try to beg GM not to close another plant it will likely get brought up as one reason they want to leave (can't get cheap US carriers to haul their freight into ON). The government gets way more votes from auto workers than it does from people who belong to the Ontario Trucking Assn.(the "experts" who lobbied for the law).
So relax, we are not furthering any socialist agenda here. The gov't listened to the OTA whose sole purpose for wanting this is to scare all you Americans off our highways so they get the freight. While it has a lot of you in a frenzy and saying f*#k Canada the real outcome if the law sticks will be the further erosion of the manufacturing economy up here. Ontario is getting more like NY state and less like Michigan (high taxes, stupid laws, general decay etc).
Also, devices can be bought so that you can change the speed yourself (if you own the truck). Cummins has one called Quick check. Ya its 600 bucks but it does a lot of other things for you too (wouldn't it be nice to know yourself why the check engine light is on before the dealer makes up a $tory?).
The post by OVM quoting fine amounts is a separate law for street racing, mind you if you want to come to Ontario and drive your truck at 50 (30+MPH) over the limit I hope you do get caught and have your truck seized for a week, you shouldn't be on ANY road.
Here are some facts:
The MTO CANNOT "download" anything. They know they can't do that as that is personal/company info and nothing in the text of the law allows them to do it. It has to be subpoenaed by the courts (accident lawsuit etc.)
The MTO will be able to read any truck that is computer controlled. The units they bought are custom made for this, J1708,1939, OBD2...doesn't matter.
There will be a one year "education" period (grace).
Once they start to do this 2 things will likely happen,
1 is the MTO will f%*k it up, they do with everything else.
2 Some of the large "speedy" automotive carriers (hello Mr. M) will raise bloody hell. When the ON government sits down to try to beg GM not to close another plant it will likely get brought up as one reason they want to leave (can't get cheap US carriers to haul their freight into ON). The government gets way more votes from auto workers than it does from people who belong to the Ontario Trucking Assn.(the "experts" who lobbied for the law).
So relax, we are not furthering any socialist agenda here. The gov't listened to the OTA whose sole purpose for wanting this is to scare all you Americans off our highways so they get the freight. While it has a lot of you in a frenzy and saying f*#k Canada the real outcome if the law sticks will be the further erosion of the manufacturing economy up here. Ontario is getting more like NY state and less like Michigan (high taxes, stupid laws, general decay etc).
Also, devices can be bought so that you can change the speed yourself (if you own the truck). Cummins has one called Quick check. Ya its 600 bucks but it does a lot of other things for you too (wouldn't it be nice to know yourself why the check engine light is on before the dealer makes up a $tory?).
The post by OVM quoting fine amounts is a separate law for street racing, mind you if you want to come to Ontario and drive your truck at 50 (30+MPH) over the limit I hope you do get caught and have your truck seized for a week, you shouldn't be on ANY road.
In all fairness this is a Provincial issue. There are other Provinces that are truck friendly. This is not a "Canadian" thing.
With that said....
Shame, Shame on Ontario.
I think Michigan and New York should charge a $5,000 transport fee for every Ontario based unit when it enters their state loaded with freight.
These two states must put Ontario in compliance with the rest of North America.
With that said....
Shame, Shame on Ontario.
I think Michigan and New York should charge a $5,000 transport fee for every Ontario based unit when it enters their state loaded with freight.
These two states must put Ontario in compliance with the rest of North America.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
I'm going to say this and I know it's not going to work, but here goes. If everyone would band together and boycott Ontario it might have some affect. Then again you can't get truckers to agree on anything. Then on the other hand you have all these guys that run for big carriers that have no say in where they go and can't say no.
If you look at the numbers there are far less drivers that run for the big carriers than there are O/Os and small fleets. If the O/Os and small fleets would band together it would help. I've heard stories of when all the drivers got together and boycotted the Ohio Turnpike because they didn't want to pay tolls to run 55. So the ran across on HWY 20. All those small towns on HWY 20 got upset about the increase in truck traffic and things changed. Now you can go 65.
Nowadays there is always going to be that few that won't go along with any plan just for the heck of it. They don't want to see it get any better out there. I really hate it for you guys. When I get to missing driving it doesn't take long on here for me to realize I really don't miss it.
If you look at the numbers there are far less drivers that run for the big carriers than there are O/Os and small fleets. If the O/Os and small fleets would band together it would help. I've heard stories of when all the drivers got together and boycotted the Ohio Turnpike because they didn't want to pay tolls to run 55. So the ran across on HWY 20. All those small towns on HWY 20 got upset about the increase in truck traffic and things changed. Now you can go 65.
Nowadays there is always going to be that few that won't go along with any plan just for the heck of it. They don't want to see it get any better out there. I really hate it for you guys. When I get to missing driving it doesn't take long on here for me to realize I really don't miss it.
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
Since only about 1 in 6 Canada runs I get offered are up to my rate anyway, I don't expect to lose much sleep over this.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
My state won't do that, we are trying to sell the tunnel so Detroit can buy more limos for the council and mayor beside Jenny, the worst Canadian export that ever came over here, won't allow that to happen, she supports the garbage coming into the state as does most of our 'leaders' in Washington.
NOw fyi Quebec is also on the speed limiter thing for the same speed of 105km/h or 65mph. In fact Quebec actually proposed this before Ontario did but seem to be behind in making it legislation. So they won't be far behind and then of course we'll see who else does this. Some states are also considering speed limiter settings for trucks so this is not only an Ontario or Canada thing.
We all (or most of us) know that slowing down does save fuel and while most of us do travel at speeds where we're not getting tickets it really should not bother anyone with the limit being 105 except the speed demons. Yes there will be traffic congestion in some spots on the highways with all the trucks doing 107-103km/h as the units are not going to be accurate to the exact speed. Who cares??? If you get a run and it is profitable then do it no matter in comes into Ontario or not. Just don't speed and save fuel. Make your expected delivery time for doing the speed limit of 60mph and appropriate stops for food/fuel/dump and there you go. it's not like the gov't is saying you can only go 55mph while cars have a speed limit higher. No they gave an extra 5km/h or 3mph over the 100km/h limit. But if you know your truck many run at optimum output around that speed anyways so where's the big deal? yes the gov't is interfering again but even your fed and state gov'ts are doing similar to the industry.
What do we do?? Work with it as we do with hos and other regulations that have been imposed on us. It should be the price of a run that governs whether or not you do it and not that it goes somewhere where you're only allowed to speed by 3 mph over the limit which is higher than many states with only 55mph limits.
With everyone in gov't and the special interest groups pushing for lower speed limits and more regs to control pollution there will be more restrictions in the future. So plan for them and drive accordingly as things ain't gonna get less expensive but rather more so.
Rob
We all (or most of us) know that slowing down does save fuel and while most of us do travel at speeds where we're not getting tickets it really should not bother anyone with the limit being 105 except the speed demons. Yes there will be traffic congestion in some spots on the highways with all the trucks doing 107-103km/h as the units are not going to be accurate to the exact speed. Who cares??? If you get a run and it is profitable then do it no matter in comes into Ontario or not. Just don't speed and save fuel. Make your expected delivery time for doing the speed limit of 60mph and appropriate stops for food/fuel/dump and there you go. it's not like the gov't is saying you can only go 55mph while cars have a speed limit higher. No they gave an extra 5km/h or 3mph over the 100km/h limit. But if you know your truck many run at optimum output around that speed anyways so where's the big deal? yes the gov't is interfering again but even your fed and state gov'ts are doing similar to the industry.
What do we do?? Work with it as we do with hos and other regulations that have been imposed on us. It should be the price of a run that governs whether or not you do it and not that it goes somewhere where you're only allowed to speed by 3 mph over the limit which is higher than many states with only 55mph limits.
With everyone in gov't and the special interest groups pushing for lower speed limits and more regs to control pollution there will be more restrictions in the future. So plan for them and drive accordingly as things ain't gonna get less expensive but rather more so.
Rob
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
I just want to make sure I got this right. Some lobbyists pays off some local politicians who then pass a feel good law that affects well over 100,000 truck drivers at a cost of several million dollars.
And it affects fewer of the citizens of Canada, than it does of U.S. citizens. And all because they WON"T enforce the laws that they have on the books.
I guess the next thing they will come up with is that if you ever owned a hand gun, you can't come to Canada.
I'm sorry but I will not allow a foreign bunch of bought off local cracker heads to determine the speed that I drive thousands of miles from their soil.
And it affects fewer of the citizens of Canada, than it does of U.S. citizens. And all because they WON"T enforce the laws that they have on the books.
I guess the next thing they will come up with is that if you ever owned a hand gun, you can't come to Canada.
I'm sorry but I will not allow a foreign bunch of bought off local cracker heads to determine the speed that I drive thousands of miles from their soil.
I talked with my carrier a couple of days ago on this. They say that it not being inforced as yet and no date for that to happen has been set. They, as are many other carriers, are actively seeking a expemption for US domiciled trucks. They assured me that we will be informed about an informent date etc as soon as it happens. Layoutshooter
Speaking of handguns, just over 2 years ago now I had a Canadian customs official get right up nose to nose with me. He asked me how many guns I had on my truck. I told him that I had none. He said that he did not believe me and when he found it/them he would put me in jail. Of course I did not have any. After tearing my truck apart and not finding anything illegal he got even madder. He then came back to me, back up nose to nose, and asked me if I had any guns at my house in the US. I was dumb founded and like an idiot I said yes. I won't answer if asked again. Layoutshooter ( I did not smart off to him, you can ask my wife. No NRA stickers or anything)
Jim..The U.S. did that to Canadian drivers when they changed the HOS without any thought to any others...so Can drivers have to abide by rules far away from home...
On that note I am pretty sure some geek will invent some kind of on/off switch...
Out HOS suck, we did change without reguard to Canada. The only difference is there is no cost to drivers, money wise at least. If Canada wants limiters on my truck two things need to happen. 1. I have to be able to turn it off. 2. They can pay for it. Layoutshooter
About that no cost to drivers...i think solo's from both sides of the fence would disagree...
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
What? Actually have a funded mandate? And a government program you can turn off, to boot? Perish the thought!
I don't understand the cost involed to you with the HOS. Could you please explain? Not trying to be a pain, I just want to understand. Thanks, Layoutshooter