witness23
Veteran Expediter
Yeah......I heard the President missed his league playoffs because of Vick's poor performance.
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Yeah......I heard the President missed his league playoffs because of Vick's poor performance.
Freightdawg
Expert Expediter
Anyone who looks this goofy with the Heisman Trophy, needs to stick to basketball!
Obama Looks to Score Big - Washington Wire - WSJ
Obama Looks to Score Big - Washington Wire - WSJ
Poor Barry, can't even succeed in Fantasy Football!!!
I see a pattern there!! WAIT FOR IT!! WAIT FOR IT!!
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Poor Barry, can't even succeed in Fantasy Football!!!
Wait for what? What am I waiting for?
Back before I retired, I and others investigated a Dog fighting organization that sent 3 people to prison, and I only wish that I had kept some of the pictures so some of you could see what actually happens in these dog fighting rings that they have to fight in and the Damage to the dogs. The pictures in the papers and the News didn't hardly touch on what Vick's dogs went through. Trust me, You don't want to see them as they are Gorey and would make some people want to hurl if not cry as well! As far as I'm concerned is that Michael Vick got off way too easy!
You answered the question yourself, in the sentence preceding it: the outrage is only as great as the awareness of the issue. A condition I'd fault LEOs for, more than the media, because if the guilty parties were arrested, the facts would be published.
LEOs have other priorities, apparently, [like checking idling vehicles in Texas, seeing if anyone's in it or not
] so the dogfights continue - wonder if LEOs happen to be fans?The outrage wasn't fake, Turtle - people do consider their pets as part of the family, at least responsible pet owners do - maybe not the drug dealers who get pit bulls or Rottweilers for the sole purpose of making them vicious, but the majority of owners.
Problem is, it's like scandals with Congress & the Senate: we can barely express our disgust before there's another one happening.
It is interesting that the one guy who got busted was a high profile black football player [who should be considered rehabilitated, IMO], and so is the silence regarding the many other guilty parties.
I'd rather LEOs put them out of business than a whole lot of other lawbreakers, myself.
That is an incredibly lame argument you are presenting. Dog fighting in this country for the most part is done surreptitiously.
You answered the question yourself, in the sentence preceding it: the outrage is only as great as the awareness of the issue. A condition I'd fault LEOs for, more than the media, because if the guilty parties were arrested, the facts would be published.
LEOs have other priorities, apparently, [like checking idling vehicles in Texas, seeing if anyone's in it or not
The outrage wasn't fake, Turtle - people do consider their pets as part of the family, at least responsible pet owners do - maybe not the drug dealers who get pit bulls or Rottweilers for the sole purpose of making them vicious, but the majority of owners.
Problem is, it's like scandals with Congress & the Senate: we can barely express our disgust before there's another one happening.
It is interesting that the one guy who got busted was a high profile black football player [who should be considered rehabilitated, IMO], and so is the silence regarding the many other guilty parties.
I'd rather LEOs put them out of business than a whole lot of other lawbreakers, myself.
It's interesting that the one guy who got busted was a high profile football player .
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Most (I'm guessing) dog fighting cases don't get national coverage for several weeks, so the news has a chance to find just about every offended group in the country. A lot of it was/is over the top, but for most I think it was more the fact that it was a Pro football player rather than a black football player (at least for most(I hope)).Turtle said:
For some I have to agree. I don't think it was the majority.
Is absurd as bad as stupid? To compare a child with a dog is really a stretch. I love my Kids, and usually really like my dog.
Can't disagree.
As long as someone else does the deed.
It has almost become a requirement or you will be perceived as un-American. The "Thank-you for your service" has become meaningless.
The ones that treated the military the worst were the same age as the people that they were ridiculing. Now they feel guilty (as they should) and go over the top so that their friends don't find out they were pieces of dog crap. (see I can keep it on the subject with the dog crap comment)
Yes you did.
Yeah, that's true. But LEO's are arresting them pretty often. They just don't get national coverage, I guess, just local coverage.
I wonder what the outrage would be if people know how extensive fox hunting is, using greyhounds to hunt them. It's not pretty when the hunt is over. It's a "sport" that's very popular in places like Oklahoma and the surrounding states.
I'm sure the outrage from many people wasn't fake, especially those pet owners who didn't realize that dog fighting goes on and how brutal it is. But for a lot people, they couldn't care less one way or the other about dog fighting since they don't really know about it, it's not an issue they've ever thought about. Those are the people with the fake outrage. I know some people who had that fake outrage. And it died out almost as quickly as they were outraged (except when it gave them the opportunity to rail on a black man without being accused of being racist, then the outrage came to the surface).
LEOs arrest dog fighters when they can. But like Muttly noted, a lot is done surreptitiously. It's definitely an underground thing. Although, the street dog fighting is nearly out in the open, where gangs will fight by proxy using dogs. As brutal as dog fighting is, the gangs have taken the brutality to a new level.
The government has one estimate, and the ASPCA has its own estimate, where one is 16,000 and the other is 20,000 dog per year are killed every year in the US in dog fighting operations. Both of those estimates are likely on the low side.
I just wonder if the seething outrage over Vick would have been the same if Vick had been, say, Peyton Manning or Bret Farve.
Read up on Bad Newz Kennels. Extremely barbaric. Michael Vick admitted to personal involvement in the hanging and/or drowning of several dogs. No telling how many died tortuous deaths to satisfy Vick's bloodlust. Often, there is a correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to humans. Individuals who enjoy torturing pets might be capable of rehabilitation. At a minimum, people with barbaric tendencies need to be kept under close scrutiny.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
I'm not sure why or how the conversation came up with the owner of the Eagles or the context in which that conversation took place, but I'm not sure why the President is commenting about Vick. With that being said, you then have this:
Seriously?
Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”
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Seriously?
Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”
Watch "Tucker Carlson: I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed" Video at mediaite
Absolutely agree with your post. There is a correlation between cruelty to animals and humans. If someone enjoys or does not have negative emotions toward torturing and killing pets they might just have the same emotions toward humans as well. Jeffrey Dahmer is one example. There must be some level of mental retardation with that person to do that. Humans are taught when they are two years old how to treat animals. Vick did this when he was an adult and possible when he was young. It's possible for him to be rehabillitated,but agree his tendencies need to be kept under close watch.
From the closet racists, no, but from those who despise cruelty to animals, certainly.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
I'm not so sure about that, look at Brett Favre and how he is put on a pedestal even though he is under investigation of sexual assault, has admitted to sending inappropriate voicemails and nude pictures of himself, was banned from drinking alcohol by the NFL and admitted he abused the drug vicodin and spent 45 days in rehab. How many chances do you get to turn your life around?
So I'm not sure if Favre would be condemned, as you say. I admit that is only speculative on my part though.
Fox hunting remains wildly popular in Kentucky and throughout the South. Many hunting clubs have formed around fox hunting. Particularly, in Appalachia which retains much of the age-old traditions brought over by the Scots and Irish. My father's people moved from North Carolina to Kentucky in the 1780's. Land-grant for service in the Revolutionary War.
Just as much, eh? Well, okay, I guess that answers that question.
What about if he were a white wide receiver?
Oh, wait. A white wide receiver? That's funny.
Never heard of Wes Welker? Receiver for N.E. Patriots.
2009 stats: 14 games,123 receptions. Just happens to be white.
That answers that question.