Obama hails puppy-killer

muttly

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Actually, it didn't answer that question.

Actually yes. The question was "A white wide receiver?"Followed by "That's funny" What is funny? That there is no white wide receivers? I just gave you one with his stats. So the answer is YES.
 

muttly

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I'm not so sure about that, look at Brett Favre and how he is put on a pedestal even though he is under investigation of sexual assault, has admitted to sending inappropriate voicemails and nude pictures of himself, was banned from drinking alcohol by the NFL and admitted he abused the drug vicodin and spent 45 days in rehab. How many chances do you get to turn your life around?

So I'm not sure if Favre would be condemned, as you say. I admit that is only speculative on my part though.

A lot of people don't put him on a pedestal anymore and want to see him retire and go away. They are tired of his act of retiring and then playing,quitting and then playing again.
 

greg334

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Well he is another one, he intentionally screwed up and now the NFL seems to be very defensive over him. I think losing his pension based on moral issues would be a great punishment for him.
 

Turtle

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Actually yes. The question was "A white wide receiver?"Followed by "That's funny" What is funny? That there is no white wide receivers? I just gave you one with his stats. So the answer is YES.
Again, no, it didn't. The question was "What about if he were a white receiver?"

What about if he were a white wide receiver?

Oh, wait. A white wide receiver? That's funny.
The "Oh, wait. A white wide receiver? That's funny..." part was a comment posed in the form of a sarcastic, rhetorical question.

I cannot believe that you have such a hard time with basic English comprehension, but the alternative is even more unflattering.

On the other hand, "That there is no white wide receivers..." may very well point to the former. I dunno. Hard tellin'.

I get confused when people have more than one screen name. Hard to take them seriously. But you probably know that already.
 

aristotle

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Let's not hijack this thread and turn it into a racial controversy. For those having difficulty staying on the original topic, please start your own threads with racial diatribes. This thread is about a vicious puppy-killer being lauded by the president of the United States.
 

jaminjim

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Let's not hijack this thread and turn it into a racial controversy. For those having difficulty staying on the original topic, please start your own threads with racial diatribes. This thread is about a vicious puppy-killer being lauded by the president of the United States.
Isn't that an integral part of the Story?
 

Turtle

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Well, considering Michael Vick never admitted to, nor was found guilty of killing any puppies, or dogs, and considering the co-founder of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Ingrid E. Newkirk, in a statement issued on behalf of PETA, backed both the President and Vick fully, saying, “Obama’s a sports guy, Vick’s a sports guy, and comebacks and redemption can happen,” and considering that President Barack Hussein Obama did not, in fact, call the owner of the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles to applaud his decision to hire well known puppy-killer Michael Vick, but rather called to comment that, “So many people who serve time never get a fair second chance. It’s never a level playing field for prisoners when they get out of jail,” the only conclusion is the OP is based on a false premise. Since the OP is based on a false premise, it cannot be hijacked, and people are free to conclude on their own the reasons behind such a false premise.
 

aristotle

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In The United States District Court for the Eastern Division of Virginia: Date August 24,2007

United States of America v. Michael Vick (defendant)
Criminal NO. 3:07CR274

Read Vick's plea agreement
Read Summary of facts


On August 20,2007 Vick pleads guilty to federal felony dogfighting conspiracy charges. By stipulating to the facts as presented by the federal prosecutor in the summary of facts, Vick submits guilty plea. Federal Judge Henry Hudson increased Vick's sentence for deception even after reaching plea agreement.

Clearly, Michael Vick participated in the illegal and tortuous deaths of several dogs. Then, he had the audacity to lie about his involvement even after reaching a plea agreement. For his continued lies and deception, Judge Hudson increased Vick's sentence. Puppy-killer, indeed.
 

aristotle

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Still, no reason to inject racism into this thread other than to shut down debate. Common tactic of the Left.
 

muttly

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Again, no, it didn't. The question was "What about if he were a white receiver?"

The "Oh, wait. A white wide receiver? That's funny..." part was a comment posed in the form of a sarcastic, rhetorical question.

I cannot believe that you have such a hard time with basic English comprehension, but the alternative is even more unflattering.

On the other hand, "That there is no white wide receivers..." may very well point to the former. I dunno. Hard tellin'.

I get confused when people have more than one screen name. Hard to take them seriously. But you probably know that already.

I got your sarcasm about the white wide receiver question. Funny? Pretty low brow humor. The other question If he was a white wide receiver would he receive same treatment as Vick? What difference does it make if he were a white wide receiver or a black wide receiver, a white qb, or a black qb? A dog torturer is a dog torturer.
 

cheri1122

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Read up on Bad Newz Kennels. Extremely barbaric. Michael Vick admitted to personal involvement in the hanging and/or drowning of several dogs. No telling how many died tortuous deaths to satisfy Vick's bloodlust. Often, there is a correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to humans. Individuals who enjoy torturing pets might be capable of rehabilitation. At a minimum, people with barbaric tendencies need to be kept under close scrutiny.

It's true that most serial killers admit to having begun torturing animals in childhood - but is that true of Vick? And was it 'bloodlust' - or just part of the business, really? [Either way, I totally agree with your last sentence.]
Maybe everyone arrested for dog fighting should have their childhood looked at - might get some potential killers off the streets before they progress to killing people.


 

Turtle

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In The United States District Court for the Eastern Division of Virginia: Date August 24,2007

United States of America v. Michael Vick (defendant)
Criminal NO. 3:07CR274

Read Vick's plea agreement
Read Summary of facts


On August 20,2007 Vick pleads guilty to federal felony dogfighting conspiracy charges. By stipulating to the facts as presented by the federal prosecutor in the summary of facts, Vick submits guilty plea. Federal Judge Henry Hudson increased Vick's sentence for deception even after reaching plea agreement.

Clearly, Michael Vick participated in the illegal and tortuous deaths of several dogs. Then, he had the audacity to lie about his involvement even after reaching a plea agreement. For his continued lies and deception, Judge Hudson increased Vick's sentence. Puppy-killer, indeed.
I read the fact as stipulated, not one of which stated that he was a puppy killer, or that he participated in any way in the killing of a puppy. So you're premise is still a false one, but even if Vick were a convicted and admitted puppy killer, everything else within the OP is still false.
 

Turtle

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I got your sarcasm about the white wide receiver question. Funny? Pretty low brow humor.
Yet you believed it to be a real question instead of sarcasm, and decided to answer it.

The other question If he was a white wide receiver would he receive same treatment as Vick? What difference does it make if he were a white wide receiver or a black wide receiver, a white qb, or a black qb? A dog torturer is a dog torturer.
That wasn't the other question, that was the only question, and you answering a question with a question isn't the same as answering it. But at this point don't bother, as I no longer want your opinion on the matter. It seems not to be worth it.
 

Turtle

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Still, no reason to inject racism into this thread other than to shut down debate. Common tactic of the Left.
Actually, the common tactic of the left is to level a charge of racism when someone merely mentions race, which is precisely what you are doing here.

As far as debate, since your premise is false and largely fabricated, there is nothing to debate. Just because you think he is a puppy killer doesn't make him one, just because you think Obama made a phone call to applaud a puppy killer doesn't mean that's why the call was made. These are pretty straightforward facts that anyone should be able to discern. One doesn't even have to go to law school to be able to grasp these concepts.
 

aristotle

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I read the fact as stipulated, not one of which stated that he was a puppy killer, or that he participated in any way in the killing of a puppy. So you're premise is still a false one, but even if Vick were a convicted and admitted puppy killer, everything else within the OP is still false.

I am sure your grammatical mistake ( using the contraction "you're" instead of the correct possessive pronoun "your") has nothing to do with your obvious sense of frustration over Vick's time in prison for the slaughter of pets. Keep defending the indefensible.
 
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