Actually, I'm having quite a bit of fun ...
Only after I write it and preview/post it ...
Same here - just calling it like I see it.
Oh really ?
Well Dave ... we'll see ... your form of "think" has been the heart and soul of the GOP mindset for some time now ... and we can all see how well that's workin' out ...
Actually, I'm having quite a bit of fun ...
Only after I write it and preview/post it ...
Same here - just calling it like I see it.
Oh really ?
ROTFLMAO ...
I dunno if I could get anymore relaxed right at the moment ...
Well Dave ... we'll see ... your form of "think" has been the heart and soul of the GOP mindset for some time now ... and we can all see how well that's workin' out ...
BTW - do you expect you'll still be drawing breathe when this "postulated future reality" of yours arrives ... or just be worm food ?
Overly simplistic meme that fails to address anything close to the entirety of the problem ...
Sure it is ... so, rather than dodge and deflect, how do you actually see it ?
Actually, it's going rather well ... he's tying up some loose ends over there in the cesspool, but he's quite still busy - raising up the replacement army that will eventually get the job done - you know - the job you and yours couldn't deliver on ...
Yeah ... that ain't very likely to happen ...
Of course I do - after all I'm bothering to indulge you in what could quite easily be called a "unsubstantive conversation" ..."Replacement army".
I rather doubt it ...
Indeed ... point is, with every year that passes it gets easier and easier ... due to the steady supply of worm food ...
Is this coming from you as a Moderator or as the President of the EO Fox News fan club?
Just curious because I have seen some offensive rants from the Fox crowd but never a request to " relax a little"
Don't count on it; all the Bush haters conveniently forget or ignore that the Iraq War Resolution was overwhelmingly approved by the House 297-133 and Senate 77-23, and that the Congressional leaders had access to the same information regarding WMDs, etc as the White House. Pesky facts seem to always get in the way of lame arguments.
I certainly hope I'm not the only one enjoying the irony ...
It ain't analysis - it's simply an observation.
Rodger-Dodger ...Just apply when and where appropriate.
I suspect that the reverse (that I need to let you relax) is closer to the actual truth of the matter ...
If that is a hypothesis you wish to test, please feel free to do so ...
This guys says this:
... and then immediately follows it up with this:
I certainly hope I'm not the only one enjoying the irony ...
Nope - no forgetting that here ... plenty of culpability to go around.
)Pesky facts have never seemed to stop you from advancing a lame argument ... replete with all manner logical fallacy and the misrepresentation and perversion of the actual truth of a matter ...
No - what they should do - at least if they wish to be at least somewhat well-informed of the truth surrounding this last episode of wanton violence on the part of Israel - is seek out those voices that are telling the other side of the story - one that is rarely, if ever, told by the US mainstream media ... although that is starting to change somewhat, at least on certain channels ...
Well, I'm quite sure that Israel will come up with some "reason" ... even if they have to invent it out of pure whole cloth ....
Given Israel's criminal actions, just in terms of illegal settlements alone, to say nothing of their other genocidal activities against the Palestinian people - such as secretly acting to starve those Palestinian civilians in Gaza (which they then attempted to withhold and hide) - the Palestinians are on solid legal and moral ground, in terms of acting to defend their homeland ...
Well, I'm sure that the relatively sane among us will be quite content to leave the hysterical yelping and barking to you and others of a similar mindset ...
Of course ... that was why he (and Cheney) refused to testify under oath before Congress re: 9/11 ... and why they refused to testify separately, and instead had to hold hands like the Bobbsey Twins when they appeared to answer up on their own incompetence in terms of ignoring intelligence ...
Our own intelligence services didn't believe it - a fact that has been rather thoroughly documented, numerous times, by a number of people who were in a position to know:
The burden of proof is incumbent on those who make the original assertion or allegation ... not on those who question it, or point out the obvious flaws in it.
The Daily Beast: Assassinating The Chance For CalmAssassinating The Chance For Calm
by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM EST
Shortly after the return of Gilad Shalit, I drafted a proposal to the Government of Israel and Hamas to enter into a long term ceasefire arrangement based on the assumption that, for the time being, neither side was interested in engaging in renewed warfare. The assumption was well founded and based on the experience that I gained directly in helping to arrange a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza after the terrorist attack across the Sinai border in August 2011, while the Shalit negotiations were taking place.
Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago, the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike against terror cells. Based on Israeli intelligence information, pre-emptive strikes were conducted primarily against cells from the Islamic Jihad and the popular resistance committees. Hamas almost always sat on the sidelines and allowed the other factions in Gaza to shoot their rockets until the price in human life became too high. At that point, Hamas urged the Egyptians to intervene to secure a return to calm. In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the shooting of rockets—but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions, and on itself.
Palestinians carry the body of Ahmad Jaabari, head of the military wing of the Hamas movement, the Ezzedin Qassam Brigades, during his funeral in Gaza City, on November 15, 2012. (Mohammed Abed / AFP / Getty Images)
The key actor on the Hamas side was Ahmed Jaabari, the commander of Ezedin al Qassam, the military wing of Hamas. When he was convinced that Israel was ready to stand down as well, Jaabari was always ready to take the orders to force the ceasefire on all of the other factions and on Hamas.
Both Israel and Hamas had decided months ago not to take action on my proposed ceasefire option, which included within it a mechanism that would prevent Israeli pre-emptive actions and would enable Hamas to prove that it was prepared to prevent terror attacks against Israel. Both sides responded very seriously to the proposal, but without any signal that there was an openness on the other side, neither was willing to advance the possibility for testing it.
Several weeks ago, I decided to try once again and, through my counterpart in Hamas, we both began speaking to high level officials on both sides. A few days ago I met my counterpart in Cairo and we agreed that he would draft a new proposal based on our common understanding of what was required to make it work.
Yesterday morning, hours before Israel assassinated Ahmed Jaabari, my counterpart in Hamas presented the draft to Jaabari and to other Hamas leaders. Senior Hamas leaders on the outside had already seen it and had instructed him to check the reactions to it in Gaza. I was supposed to receive the draft yesterday evening to present to Israeli officials who were waiting for me to send it to them.
That option is now off the table. Jaabari is dead and so is the chance for a mutually beneficial long term ceasefire understanding. Why did Benjamin Netanyahu do it? The cynical answer already offered by Aluf Benn in Haaretz is elections consideration. Cast Lead was also conducted before elections. Hitting Jaabari, according to Netanyahu’s thinking, would help him in the upcoming Israeli elections. Perhaps this is true, perhaps not.
It seems to me that some of the commanders of the Israeli army have been very frustrated that the previous agreements to return to calm left Israel in a weaker position, with Hamas calling the shots. They have been calling to rebuild Israel’s deterrence. Let them in Gaza feel the pain of a serious Israeli attack and then they will think seven times before shooting more rockets, is what they proposed. In the last days there has been a lot of talk from politicians, military experts and officers to return to the policy of “targeted killings.” This, they claim, would make the Hamas leaders hide for their lives and stop shooting at us. These military geniuses failed to realize that what never worked in the past will not work now either.
Now millions of Israelis and Palestinians are living under the terror of attack. Many more Gazans will be killed than Israelis, but is this a worthy achievement that we can be proud of and that will guarantee our long term security? I don’t think so.
I can only imagine that the assassination of Jaabari has bought us the entry card to Cast Lead II. This time, the experts say, “Let’s finish them off. Let’s do the job that we didn’t do last time. Let’s do a regime change.” Well, I ask: what then? Do we really want to reoccupy Gaza, because that will be the consequence of a regime change. I don’t believe that Netanyahu wants re-occupation. So if that is not what he wants, he must be aware that, on the morning after, we will still be living next to Gaza, which still be run by Hamas. They are not going away and the people of Gaza are not going away.
The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the possibility of a long term ceasefire. Netanyahu has acted with extreme irresponsibility. He has endangered the people of Israel and struck a real blow against the few important more pragmatic elements within Hamas. He has given another victory to those who seek our destruction, rather than strengthen those who are seeking to find a possibility to live side-by-side, not in peace, but in quiet.
Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post, and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the release of Gilad Shalit.