New HOS start today - figure out how to make it work

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
In eight hours you did not stop to go to the restroom? No way can I go that long with out stop. Your kidneys are not going to like that for very long.

You had at least 300 miles to find a place to pull over. You passed no stores that had a dock area? vacant stores with a parking area?

I agree the back roads are going to create a challenge but thinking ahead will help us.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I was in back roads of Iowa and wasnt able to get my 30 minute break yesterday. It's hogwash bulls*** of a rule that isn't safe or in a lot of places possible to take.

you was on the back roads for 8 hours and no towns or whatever for 8 hrs?....really...I call hogwash on that....sorry....
BTW backroads in Iowa?...
 
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layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
In eight hours you did not stop to go to the restroom? No way can I go that long with out stop. Your kidneys are not going to like that for very long.

You had at least 300 miles to find a place to pull over. You passed no stores that had a dock area? vacant stores with a parking area?

I agree the back roads are going to create a challenge but thinking ahead will help us.

LOL! For much of my life I was "restricted" as to restroom breaks. I often sat on a rack for 5-6 hours without a break. Nothing new for me. When I did get a break, I got sleepy. Been that way my entire life.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
potty trained eh?....LOL

Something like that! Even when I was cutting firebreaks I preferred not to take a break. I could go for 10-12 hours on the fire line just fine. If I worked 6 and then took a rest I was tired the rest of the day. "Days" on the fire line were often 36 hours. Did a MAJOR crash after extra long shifts on the line.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
All time worst peeve, mainly because I usually end up behind these idiots.:mad:

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IF you was small like me...you could pull an immediate turn and get out...or sometimes enough room to squeeze between the 2 trucks....hehehehe
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Yesterday (Monday) was the first day of the new rules requiring a 30 minute break after eight or less hours of driving. Our task: Deadhead 500 miles from our Florida vacation house to position ourselves for Tuesday's pick up. Pick up time is anytime after 8 a.m. Delivery time is fixed at 8 a.m. Wednedsay. It does not matter to shipper what time we pick up. It only matters that we deliver by 8:00 a.m. Wednesday. We bagan the Monday work day with reset logs.

Old Way: Given the schedule and other work I wanted to do in the sleeper, Diane would have driven the full 500 miles, leaving me free to work (with breaks for EO and other distractions). One fuel stop was planned. Diane would have taken stretch breaks as desired along the way. We plan a 50 mph pace. 500 miles works out to about 10 hours on the road, including fuel and stretch-break stops.

New Way: Wishing to avoid an unecessary and unwanted thirty minute stop, I drove part of the way at the beginning of the trip. That would enable Diane to finish the trip without triggering the requirement to stop for 30 minutes. We planned ahead and rolled with the punches, just as people here suggest.

The day began as planned. I drove for a while, then Diane took the wheel.

Development: Heavy (torrential) rain slowed traffic to a crawl as we passed through Jacksonville. Two wrecks, one northbound, one southbound, slowed traffic to a stop. We were delayed.

For a time, we did not know if we would make it to the evening stop before Diane would have been required to take a 30 minute break. As it turned out, we did but not by much.

Had the delay been just a little longer, it would have worked out that we would have had to stop for 30 minutes to take a break just 15 to 30 minutes short of the place where we planned to settle in for the night and sleep.

If that happened, what do you do with those 30 minutes? TeamCaffee reported the stress-free, relaxing and refreshing 30 minute break she had under the new rules. Would she have reported the same if she had to take a legally mandadted 30 minute break thirty minutes before bed time?

Had our delay gone just a bit longer, the 30-minute break before bedtime cold have been avoided by driving faster. That is probably what we would have done because it seems to us just stupid to extend the trip by 30 minutes and get into our full night's sleep that much later.

These new rules inject a new eight hour clock into the mix. On some days the clock is no big deal, but that will not be the case every day.

If Diane and were only expediters with no outside interests, the mandated 30 minute break would be less of a burden. But we do have outside interests and the new rules detract from those, and thus from the quality of life we would otherwise enjoy on the road.

Ten hours of uninterrupted time in the sleeper while Diane drove yesterday would have been fantastic. I would have put that time to enjoyable and productive use. Planning ahead to avoid the "Stupid Stop" required me to give up some of that time and drive instead.

"Oh, silly Phil," some might say. "If you just embrace the new rules, make lemonade out of lemons and have Diane plan on taking a relaxing and refreshing 30 minute break, everything would have been OK."

On that day, in those circumstances, when we began with reset logs and all we were doing was deadheading the day before a pick up, that is true (if you overlook the fact that the 30 minute break would have cut that same amount of time our of our night's sleep).

But it will not work out that way every time. Things may turn out quite different when we are under load, and especially when we are under certain types of loads when the nature of the freight limits your parking options.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
the nature of the freight are details between Landstar and the customer....that the timing will be agreeable to all parties....some customers will have to change their requirements somewhat to adjust as well....it is going to be a PIA for customers as well......you lived thru losing an hours drive time 2 yrs ago, you lived thru lose of split sleeper time. you'll live thru this....
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
the nature of the freight are details between Landstar and the customer....that the timing will be agreeable to all parties....some customers will have to change their requirements somewhat to adjust as well....it is going to be a PIA for customers as well......you lived thru losing an hours drive time 2 yrs ago, you lived thru lose of split sleeper time. you'll live thru this....

All true. It is also true that injecting a new eight-hour clock into the mix will create new time management and legal compliance challenges that will make it more difficult to deal with unanticipated events on the road. And ther is nothing that carriers and customers can agree upon or prearrange to mitigate that.

We already have the freedom to change the delivery or pick up time for safety reasons. The extra 30 minutes of drive time required for every eight hours of driving can be build into the run times. That's not the problem.

The problem is that this mandated 30 minute stop does NOTHING to improve our safety, increase our pay or benefit us in any other way. Will we live through it? Yes, but in our case, the good news is that we won't have to for long since a new non-trucking venture lies ahead.
 

aquitted

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
you was on the back roads for 8 hours and no towns or whatever for 8 hrs?....really...I call hogwash on that....sorry....
BTW backroads in Iowa?...

I never ever stop for bathroom break Thats why I have A bottle. I don't stop unless i'm at my destination or I need fuel.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
All true. It is also true that injecting a new eight-hour clock into the mix will create new time management and legal compliance challenges that will make it more difficult to deal with unanticipated events on the road. And ther is nothing that carriers and customers can agree upon or prearrange to mitigate that.

We already have the freedom to change the delivery or pick up time for safety reasons. The extra 30 minutes of drive time required for every eight hours of driving can be build into the run times. That's not the problem.

The problem is that this mandated 30 minute stop does NOTHING to improve our safety, increase our pay or benefit us in any other way. Will we live through it? Yes, but in our case, the good news is that we won't have to for long since a new non-trucking venture lies ahead.

That is the bottom line. It does nothing to improve safety or improve anything for that matter. Maybe get lucky with one of the pending lawsuits. One thing for sure, Ferro needs to go. She has been pretty worthless up to this point.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We are running today, under load. Driving north on I-77 and I-81, we saw no trucks parked on ramps and many open parking spaces at rest areas and truck stops. This is the week in which the Fourth of July happens. How it will be in a non-holiday week remains to be seen.

Very interested in the impacts of the new rules, I am keeping close track of today's and tonight's events and will share more tomorrow.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Well said Phil. I applaud you that you have found a business that is more palatable to your taste. Right now we still find this to be the way we prefer making a living and who knows one day we to may discover another business that lures us away from the transportation industry. I wish you well in your new venture.

Thank you.

Those that choose will leave the industry which will tighten up the supply and demand.

Driver supply (shortage) and demand has been discussed multiple times here in the Open Forum. A tiny few participants have asserted that a driver shortage exists but the majority disagrees. No one has been able to show that expediter pay has increased because of a driver shortage and no one has shown even a single example where a truck sat empty because a driver could not be found to operate it.

EDIT, 7/3/13:

Thinking about this more, I want to modify what I said above to say no one has shown even a single example in the ordinary course where a truck sat empty because a driver could not be found to operate it.

It has always been the case in expediting that fleet owner trucks have sat empty in fleet owner drive ways or years while they look for drivers to fill them. It sometimes takes a long time to put a team in an empty expediter truck. But my point remains the same. I believe the driver shortage is a myth. While fleet owner trucks sometimes sit empty, that is not a recent development owing to a new driver shortage that boosts driver pay.

In the end water will always find its own level.

That is true but I do not get your meaning. Is this an analogy? What does the behavior of water have to do with the points you made above?
 
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BigCat

Expert Expediter
In eight hours you did not stop to go to the restroom? No way can I go that long with out stop. Your kidneys are not going to like that for very long.

You had at least 300 miles to find a place to pull over. You passed no stores that had a dock area? vacant stores with a parking area?

I agree the back roads are going to create a challenge but thinking ahead will help us.

No I went to the bathroom in the middle of the right lane when no one was behind me. Just can't stay 30 minutes in the middle of county highways.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
you was on the back roads for 8 hours and no towns or whatever for 8 hrs?....really...I call hogwash on that....sorry....
BTW backroads in Iowa?...

Just because I go through towns doesn't mean I can just park wherever I want. I am not in a cargo van or straight truck so finding somewhere I can park is a bit more difficult. Say what you will believe what you want, I don't give a **** but don't think you know about my loads or schedules and routing.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Sitting a a "J" wasting 1/2 of daylight driving because some dufus in Washington who has never driven a truck told me I need a break. :mad: What a monumental waste of time AND fuel as my reefer just burns it up as I sit doing NOTHING of value. NOW what to I do? Pick my nose? At least this spot is safe and legal, that is about all the good I can say for this.

I have wasted 7 minutes, that is 7 miles less I have traveled, and I will LOSE 1/2 OFF of my 14 hour clock which is now NOT a 14 hour but a 13 1/2 hour clock This REALLY SUCKS!! :mad:
 
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Steady Eddie

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I like the new HOS! Due to the HOS rules, I got a nice load. Shipper- " we need one skid there ASAP, we have 160 more going to the same place, but the driver can not get it there due to the new HOS rules, plant will shut down before he can get there."

There was a fork lift waiting right inside the gate. (9 hours eary, they were watching my location.)

1 skid with 4 drums.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I like the new HOS! Due to the HOS rules, I got a nice load. Shipper- " we need one skid there ASAP, we have 160 more going to the same place, but the driver can not get it there due to the new HOS rules, plant will shut down before he can get there."

There was a fork lift waiting right inside the gate. (9 hours eary, they were watching my location.)

1 skid with 4 drums.

Yeah... I hope they cut more hrs off them straights!
 
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