Low prices are killing this month!ppl bending over like crazy!

Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I ended last week with a 1,500 mi run from southern Cali to Houston - 1 pc - 1,000 lbs - .90 per mi.

My carriers know how much I'll do a run for because I've drawn a solid line in the sand. One that I haven't budged from. What most owner/ops can't wrap their silly, feeble minds around is that it honestly doesn't matter if there are 50 vehicles in my area or 500! If i'm the only vehicle my carriers have in that area ... then there's only 1 vehicle that matters! I'M IT!! If my carriers want a shot at that load then they will have to do whatever it takes on their end.

The reason why loads are sold so many times over is because owner/ops have dropped their rates soooo low. The margins are in each load to allow all of this behavior. It's not a broken corrupt system that allows this .... it's owner/ops selling a PREMIUM service for pennies instead of dollars!

My aha moment came during my first year of expediting, '12. I took my first load to Cali & was terrified of getting stuck out there indefinitely. I was out there for a week & I was miserable. I finally booked a load on a Thurs from LA to El Paso for $1 per mi & I was ecstatic! El Paso was the gateway east & there was no way I was heading west anytime soon. First thing Fri morning I get woken up to take 1 - 500 lb pallet to Nogales - pickup on Fri delivery on Mon. I passed on the load, I wasn't interested. Same carrier calls me back 2 min later, the offer for the load is $600 ... "Ya want it?" As much as it was a nice offer, it was Fri & I thought there might be better opportunities going east. I politely declined. A few minutes later carrier #2 calls me ... "Hey, there's a load to Nogales ..." I cut him off mid sentence .... "Yeah, I know .. $600 ... I'll pass ... I wanna head east." Carrier #2: "$600? ... no, the offer is $700..." Now I'm awake! As a knee jerk reaction, because I'm a wise ass ... I tell him I'll do it for $800. 3 minutes later I had the load. Monday I got loaded out of Phoenix for $1.10 & I was on my way.....

It was a good lesson. There's only 1 truck that matters in these equations .... yours!
 
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FlyingVan

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There were loads that my carrier lost bidding .85 a mile. The total rate was something like .65 a mile, and a particular load went for even less than that. Now, there was nothing in hell my carrier could do to get me that load, unless they were willing to bid it at .60 or lower.
Yeah, sometimes we get lucky and get good rates, but most of the time there are desperate people biding the loads to nothing.

I can't wait for the fuel prices to spike. That will be interesting.



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Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I can't wait for the fuel prices to spike. That will be interesting.
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Are you really telling me that you believe customers are paying less for freight because fuel prices have declined?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Are you really telling me that you believe customers are paying less for freight because fuel prices have declined?
Let's split that into 2 issues
The line haul rate is probably the same but the FSC is now negligible ... So it appears to have dropped
 

HighTide

Active Expediter
Companies dont lower their rates but expect drivers to accept less when fuel is cheap. I see all these immigrants driving illegal vehicles over 10k and charging 50 cents a mile. Someone is subsidizing these people to undermine the citizens in our country. You see the politicians flooding our country with illegals and the masonic corporations hire them for less pay and defraud the IRS (worthless corrupt as well) and push out legal americans into default to loose their homes. I mean they are the DEAs largest drug cartel and FBIs 2010 largest child sex slavery ring. Greedy POSs

Do you know if you know the law you can become defined by I.R.S. as an Untaxable Citizen. You will no longer be expected to pay taxes and they will leave you alone. But not after many many threats and requests not to tell other people how to do it. However you have to keep cash and not leave much in the bank because they could take it. I have a friend who has done this for twenty years after becoming UNTAXABLE and not reporting taxes for ten years prior to that. Seems it would work for a contractor, self employed. When it gets down to it the taxes are unconstitutional and if you press the laws long enough they stop threatening you with their unconstitutional tax collections. Believe it or not
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Last guy I meet up with in your illegal cube was from Kentucky... You can't blame all this in the immigrants they too are trying to raise a family.., but compared to their own country they don't expect 2 cars a jd cable service as a way of life
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So are you guys saying that it's not all the big bad carriers fault, and that we need to take some self responsibility? How dare you!
You do realize your carrier was not even a blip on the board when The erosion happened before the creation of your beloved :p?
 

Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Let's split that into 2 issues
The line haul rate is probably the same but the FSC is now negligible ... So it appears to have dropped

I feel this is confusing the issue .......
Why split it into 2? All I care about is my overall rate per mi. The carriers I work with don't pay FSC, so I never got fat on the FSC. Now that the FSC was pulled out from beneath most .... they need to pray for fuel to spike again?
Saudi Arabia isn't gonna let up anytime soon. Best of luck with that plan ...
 

Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
So are you guys saying that it's not all the big bad carriers fault, and that we need to take some self responsibility? How dare you!

I'm gonna state this bluntly & in a rather crass manner .....
I never really liked this analogy, because I don't mean to be insensitive towards others .. but here goes ...
Apologies if this offends anyone ....

Most owner/ops work for their pimps ....
I've always had the viewpoint that my pimps work for me ...
 

FlyingVan

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Staff member
Owner/Operator
Are you really telling me that you believe customers are paying less for freight because fuel prices have declined?

All customers? Of course not. Some still pay top dollars, but there are just too many hands in the pie. By the time the load gets to me everybody has skimmed off the top and I am left with almost nothing.

Some customers for sure are paying less
 

FlyingVan

Moderator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
I feel this is confusing the issue .......
Why split it into 2? All I care about is my overall rate per mi. The carriers I work with don't pay FSC, so I never got fat on the FSC. Now that the FSC was pulled out from beneath most .... they need to pray for fuel to spike again?
Saudi Arabia isn't gonna let up anytime soon. Best of luck with that plan ...

I am with a company that doesn't separate the fuel surcharge.

BTW, I am not praying for the fuel to spike again. All I said was that when the fuel will shoot up it will be interesting. Especially if the spike will be fast. Since the rates will probably not go up as fast as the fuel, a bunch of us will not be able to continue, will go out of business and the rest will enjoy higher rates for a while.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Says the "Team player"

I'm not speaking of any carrier. Rather the hypocrisy of stating that we are independent business people yet when times are tough it's someone else's fault.
I believe in the independent and that's what has caused some of this disparity... Carriers action has had operators Getting their own authority and now competing against the carriers.., carriers can't compete
Independence wins the day?

Independent bids .70they keep ,70
Your carrier had to bid $1.00 for you to get the same .70
 
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FlyingVan

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Have you looked out your window lately?
$44 for 310 miles loaded. FSC, It pays for nothing. Esp after a D/head that paid $33 for 127 M.T.

I'm with you on the first part. I look out the window every time I start driving. Thought everybody does it. Hehe.

On the 'It pays for nothing' I disagree with you. Let's see. $44 buys me approximately 22 gallons of diesel. Those 22 gallons last more than 550 miles. I wouldn't call that nothing. Here is the reason why someone driving a fuel efficient vehicle can be profitable at a lower rate than one driving a gas guzzler.
 

Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm with you on the first part. I look out the window every time I start driving. Thought everybody does it. Hehe.

On the 'It pays for nothing' I disagree with you. Let's see. $44 buys me approximately 22 gallons of diesel. Those 22 gallons last more than 550 miles. I wouldn't call that nothing. Here is the reason why someone driving a fuel efficient vehicle can be profitable at a lower rate than one driving a gas guzzler.

Again ..... cents per mi vs dollars ....
You're providing a premium service!
It's not about your operating cost cpm ...
If you can run a little leaner than most, great ... you should make that additional profit on top of your earnings ...
Is your operating cpm really just fuel ...?
 

Grizzly

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm with you on the first part. I look out the window every time I start driving. Thought everybody does it. Hehe.

On the 'It pays for nothing' I disagree with you. Let's see. $44 buys me approximately 22 gallons of diesel. Those 22 gallons last more than 550 miles. I wouldn't call that nothing. Here is the reason why someone driving a fuel efficient vehicle can be profitable at a lower rate than one driving a gas guzzler.

I think you've been doing this too long to sell yourself for so cheap ....
 
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