Late-term abortionist killed

[layoutshooter]

Gee, Turtle, are those not the SAME Rights that are taken from me when subjected to an illegal FBI backround check to buy a gun? What about radom drug tests? Not probable cause? SO, if it is to kill a developed human those rights apply but NOT to law abiding adults? Innocent until proven guilty? Not if you drive a truck, try to buy a gun or you are not yet born. Strange country.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

At this point a fetus in the first trimester is not capable of living outside its mother.....Like an arm or a leg take away the host and it will die.....

So will you defend my arm if I chose to amputate it? Its a living organism that depends on me for its living?

 

[layoutshooter]

Very few children below the age of 5 or 6 can live on their own without total care. Same for many old or infirm. The only real difference is you can see them. The fact remains, the ONLY known way to abort a developing human being prior to birth is to kill it. It IS alive. In every scientific way.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Very few children below the age of 5 or 6 can live on their own without total care. Same for many old or infirm. The only real difference is you can see them. The fact remains, the ONLY known way to abort a developing human being prior to birth is to kill it. It IS alive. In every scientific way.

now we are really splitting straws...thats why there is never any agreement.....

But me and you do agree.....on the basic rules we typed before....

 

[layoutshooter]

For the most part, I don't like the trimester thing, at the moment that the egg and sperm join that developing human has 100% of his or her full potential. 100% of it's DNA. It is at that point a seperate human being. BUT, I would rather have that type of abortion than what we have now. ANY cutback on the killing is better than nothing. So yes, I agree.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

For the most part, I don't like the trimester thing, at the moment that the egg and sperm join that developing human has 100% of his or her full potential. 100% of it's DNA. It is at that point a seperate human being. BUT, I would rather have that type of abortion than what we have now. ANY cutback on the killing is better than nothing. So yes, I agree.

Then you'd be against the day after pill? The egg once fertilized begins to split cells....even though it would fit on the end of a pin point....

 

[jujubeans]

At this point a fetus in the first trimester is not capable of living outside its mother.....Like an arm or a leg take away the host and it will die.....

So will you defend my arm if I chose to amputate it? Its a living organism that depends on me for its living?

You'd best not cut off your driving arm....

 

[layoutshooter]

That is my personal belief. At that point, assuming everything is normal, it is a normal healthy developing human being at that stage in it's life. I am not, as I am sure you have noticed, NOT speaking in spiritual or religious terms. That is NOT a disscussion I wish to get into in this forum. I am speaking pure biology. There is nothing else it can be. It is not a horse or cow till the third tri-mester.

Just think on the enormity of that. It still amazes me. A tiny microscopic sperm has 100% of the genetic material that the male gives to the new human. The same goes for that tiny egg from the female side. When those two join, that zygot ( I THINK that is the correct term ) has EVERYTHING it needs. It's hair color, eye color, size of it's nose are already there. It has it's basic talents, all that is needed is to develope them. That is harder to fathom than almost anything that I have ever contemplated. It is truely awsome.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

yes we are a work of wonder....


some more then others apparently...*LOL*

 

[jujubeans]

That is my personal belief. At that point, assuming everything is normal, it is a normal healthy developing human being at that stage in it's life. I am not, as I am sure you have noticed, NOT speaking in spiritual or religious terms. That is NOT a disscussion I wish to get into in this forum. I am speaking pure biology. There is nothing else it can be. It is not a horse or cow till the third tri-mester.

Just think on the enormity of that. It still amazes me. A tiny microscopic sperm has 100% of the genetic material that the male gives to the new human. The same goes for that tiny egg from the female side. When those two join, that zygot ( I THINK that is the correct term ) has EVERYTHING it needs. It's hair color, eye color, size of it's nose are already there. It has it's basic talents, all that is needed is to develope them. That is harder to fathom than almost anything that I have ever contemplated. It is truely awsome.

Are you aware that the baby's brain is at first all female? Saw it on Oprah the other day so it must be true...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

It is true....we are all female at the moment of conception...

THAT could explain away a few posters in here...where things went way wrong!!*LOL*

 

[layoutshooter]

Are you aware that the baby's brain is at first all female? Saw it on Oprah the other day so it must be true...

WELLLLLL, if Oprah said then............ LOL!! I THINK that I read that somewhere else. There is a point in the development that all humans have gills for a short time. Sorta like the "Creature from the Black Lagoon"!!! The entire process just fasinates me.

 

[jujubeans]

well I for one am rather happy that you grew a set in a different spot from where I did...*LOL*

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Ever wondered what organ might have been attached to the appendex? Breathing apparatus under water? Some kind of filter? a 2nd stomach like a ruminent?

And the fact we have a tail bone?

 

[layoutshooter]

It is just hard to imagine how we develope.

 

[LDB]

At this point a fetus in the first trimester is not capable of living outside its mother.....Like an arm or a leg take away the host and it will die.....

So will you defend my arm if I chose to amputate it? Its a living organism that depends on me for its living?

No, I won't defend your arm because that is totally yours, not another complete human being that could potentially live a full and productive life away from your body if only given the chance. If you take away the host you'd find that the majority of children single digit age would die as well as numerous aged people, as mentioned already.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Leo...For crying out loud...WE agree....I don't believe in abortion as a means of birth control....

 

[layoutshooter]

It is true....we are all female at the moment of conception...

THAT could explain away a few posters in here...where things went way wrong!!*LOL*

LOL!!! Funny you should say that, I once looked up one posters profile to see if they were male or female. Reading the posts I would have SWORN they were female, it turned out the other way!! I will NOT say who it was!!

 

[LDB]

I know you don't believe in unlimited abortion for any reason.. just pointing out problems in case someone less clear than you reads your then my posts.

 

[Turtle]

Turtle, so what you are saying is that women are nothing and have zero right to life. Women can be aborted at any point in their lifetime since they are equal to boy babies and according to your statement only MEN are meaningful.

Hey, that's your argument, not mine. You're the one who hammered away on, "all MEN area created equal," not me.

Oh, and save the desparate label for someone else. I'm not desparate, just right.

The last two words prove my point. You are so desperate to be right that you are willing to force others to see things from your point of view, whether or not they ascribe to the very basis of the moraility that created those views.

It must be nice to look at the world, and all of the people in it, from the perspective of, "It's either my way or the wrong way." <snort>