It's the Zimmer Man!

[paullud]

Block what?! He wasn't getting punched, he was getting his head slammed to the ground.
And it seems to me that whatever type of holster he was using, the legs of Martin would have been tucked tight against his sides [to control the attempts to 'buck' him off], and that would block access to underneath his back. Martin had pretty long legs - I just can't see Zimmerman getting his gun out under that scenario.

I was addressing his question about reaching for the gun while getting punched.

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[cheri1122]

You have not practiced drawing a gun, many have. After a while, it is second nature.

IF his arms were pinned, his legs would not be. Bring up a knee quickly, and your firearm is instantly available for use.

You suppose Zimmerman actually practiced? This is the guy who invited Neighborhood Watch to give a presentation, accepted the job of leader, and then, when told to compile a list of volunteers assigned to patrol and return it to the coordinator, she never heard from him again. But he identified himself as a NW Captain at every opportunity, including his statement on shooting Martin. He was all about the image, but doing the work behind it: not so much.
This is the guy who was on the phone telling 911 that Martin was circling his truck, and when they asked if Martin was saying anything, Zimmerman said he didn't roll the window down.
He didn't get out of the truck until Martin was running away from him ["Oh sh1t - he's running! They always get away!"]
Someone who put in time training and preparing for a potential hostile situation would have behaved a lot differently than Zimmerman did, IMO.

 

[layoutshooter]

You suppose Zimmerman actually practiced? This is the guy who invited Neighborhood Watch to give a presentation, accepted the job of leader, and then, when told to compile a list of volunteers assigned to patrol and return it to the coordinator, she never heard from him again. But he identified himself as a NW Captain at every opportunity, including his statement on shooting Martin. He was all about the image, but doing the work behind it: not so much.
This is the guy who was on the phone telling 911 that Martin was circling his truck, and when they asked if Martin was saying anything, Zimmerman said he didn't roll the window down.
He didn't get out of the truck until Martin was running away from him ["Oh sh1t - he's running! They always get away!"]
Someone who put in time training and preparing for a potential hostile situation would have behaved a lot differently than Zimmerman did, IMO.

You have no idea whether he practiced or not. Neither do I. All I said is that with the proper practice it is no where as difficult as you try to make it out to be.

I am NOT supporting the "Z" man, nor do I support Martin, I was not there. I can place NO faith in news reports as to what happened and could ONLY draw a conclusion had I been in that jury box, I was not, and neither were you.

It is an tragedy, no matter how it went down and many lives were destroyed. Dead dogs should be left to lie.

As to how hard it is, or not is, to defend ones self, practice makes perfect. Put the time in and you can tilt the odds in your favor.

 

[cheri1122]

You have no idea whether he practiced or not.

You say that a lot: "You have no idea" and you are wrong. A lot. I have a pretty good idea of whether he practiced or not, based on a lot of reading of a lot more than the news accounts: I've read the actual statements, transcripts, evidence logs, and everything the investigation released, which paints a pretty clear picture of Zimmerman's character, habits, and personality.

Neither do I.

No, you don't.

All I said is that with the proper practice it is no where as difficult as you try to make it out to be.

I never said it would be difficult "with the proper practice", that's you putting words in my mouth.

I am NOT supporting the "Z" man, nor do I support Martin, I was not there. I can place NO faith in news reports as to what happened and could ONLY draw a conclusion had I been in that jury box, I was not, and neither were you.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. So tell me, how do you draw conclusions on what Obama thinks?

It is an tragedy, no matter how it went down and many lives were destroyed. Dead dogs should be left to lie.

Really?
I've always buried them, but to each his own. And WTH do dogs have to do with anything? If you mean the subject is dead, then why did you get involved in the convo?

As to how hard it is, or not is, to defend ones self, practice makes perfect. Put the time in and you can tilt the odds in your favor.

Once again, you put the wrong words in my mouth: it's not about how hard it is to defend oneself, in general, at all. I have enough sense to avoid the situation Zimmerman provoked, because staying in the car, once he's called 911, was a no brainer.

 

[RLENT]

Dead dogs should be left to lie.

Then why are you giving Fido a helping hand up ?

 

[layoutshooter]

Then why are you giving Fido a helping hand up ?

Nothing else to do. The weather is not safe to hunt ducks. I already already have a deer in the freezer and I don't need another so I am not hunting. My truck is in the shop, still, SO, I get ansty. What else is there?

 

[layoutshooter]

Once again, you put the wrong words in my mouth: it's not about how hard it is to defend oneself, in general, at all. I have enough sense to avoid the situation Zimmerman provoked, because staying in the car, once he's called 911, was a no brainer.

Again, I am NOT defending Zimmerman.

The FIRST line of self defense is avoidance. Knowing the situation you are in, knowing who is near is mandatory. Confrontation SHOULD be avoided most, but not all, of the time. There are many times when confrontation is needed. The trick there is knowing when and how.

I am starting to change my mind on the requirement to retreat. Giving up the right to safe passage is already becoming a victim. It gives too much power to the criminals who are taking over the streets. THEY have NO right to commit crimes while we DO have every right to defend ours.

I would have not done what Zimmerman did, but I was not there. I don't live there. I have little idea what the situation there is. It is my opinion that he was wrong in his actions but that is ONLY an opinion, not a fact. I don't know the facts.