It's the Zimmer Man!

[EASYTRADER]

Joe The Plumber is pretty active on his facebook micro blog.

 

[Pilgrim]

He is basically an idiot that you knew would be back. His recent actions are repeated a thousand times over by many on a daily basis. He is only being reported on because of the Martin case and the fact that he wasn't found guilty.
Probably could add that the MSM is all over it because of the on going race angle.

If they weren't playing the race card as some could suggest, you would hear more about this.
This has been going on for awhile but hardly reported. I think we know the reason.
Teen 'knockout game' continues to harm innocent people - NY Daily News

Lately this racist phenomenon has started to get a lot more attention from the media. It's been all over Fox News, and CBS, NBC along with several local TV spots, radio segments plus a lot of internet websites. Hopefully this increased national attention will bring more pressure to bear on prosecuting these young black punks for hate crimes and sentencing them to do hard time in prison. Maybe there they can play games with the resident neo-nazis or Aryan brotherhood members instead of defenseless citizens (men and women) minding their own business.

 

[davekc]

Be Careful....the Feeble minded may have a Label waiting for you for having thoughts like this............

Possibly, but I am only responding by what I see and the results across several networks. I can't do much to change that.

 

[Turtle]

You Realist, you.

 

[runrunner]

I wonder if certain people will read this article, I rather doubt it would make them think even if they did.
Remember in our justice system you don't have to prove your innocence,you are assumed innocent until proven guilty,the only witness that could have proven Zimmerman guilty is dead.

George Zimmerman had the gun in his hand BEFORE he confronted Trayvon Martin | The Chicago Board of Tirade

 

[davekc]

I wonder if certain people will read this article, I rather doubt it would make them think even if they did.
Remember in our justice system you don't have to prove your innocence,you are assumed innocent until proven guilty,the only witness that could have proven Zimmerman guilty is dead.

George Zimmerman had the gun in his hand BEFORE he confronted Trayvon Martin | The Chicago Board of Tirade

It is basically a slanted blog. When he refers to Zimmerman as a "fat "P"....that should be your first clue.

 

[runrunner]

It is basically a slanted blog. When he refers to Zimmerman as a "fat "P"....that should be your first clue.

I agree,he chose bad words and discredit's himself but at the same time he has a point,and we will never know the answer. We do know Zimmerman got out of his truck and pursued Martin.

 

[davekc]

True, but where he had the gun EXACTLY did not come out at the trial so that guys blog or opinion can't be considered actual fact. If so, the MSM would have been all over it.
What they had was only speculation.

 

[cheri1122]

The blogger chose poor words [though commonly understood], but he was paraphrasing the opinions of the trainers hired by Zimmerman's defense, not expressing his own opinion.
Zimmerman said the gun was in a waist holster, behind his back. How he was able to get it out, with Martin firmly planted on top of him, [and pounding Zimmerman's head at the time] is a question he never answered.
Someone who could manage that could surely find a job, wouldn't you think? All those contributions to his defense fund, and no one offered him a job when he was acquitted?
Oh wait - maybe that's what he was doing in Texas, when he got that speeding ticket? But: was he speeding into, or out of the state?

 

[layoutshooter]

I wonder how many in here spend time with a in the waist holster, behind the back or other wise, practicing drawing that weapon in case that skill was needed? Those who have not have NO idea how hard it is, or is not hard, to do. Experience IS important.

 

[davekc]

That information as I recall was found not to be reliable that is why it wasn't presented by the prosecution and wasn't put out there by the media.
If there was even a hint of truth to it, Al Sharpton would have been having a field day with it.
It is nothing more than speculation with numerous potential variations.

 

[layoutshooter]

That information as I recall was found not to be reliable that is why it wasn't presented by the prosecution and wasn't put out there by the media.
If there was even a hint of truth to it, Al Sharpton would have been having a field day with it.
It is nothing more than speculation with numerous potential variations.

Sharpton needs no "hint" of truth to spout off. Just think of "Brawley", enough said.

 

[cheri1122]

I wonder how many in here spend time with a in the waist holster, behind the back or other wise, practicing drawing that weapon in case that skill was needed? Those who have not have NO idea how hard it is, or is not hard, to do. Experience IS important.

I have zero experience jumping off a tall building - but I can pretty much imagine how it would go, until the last second, anyway. So I disagree that one needs to experience everything before having an accurate idea about how it would be. Certain things, [like childbirth], yes, but it's not terribly hard to picture lying on the ground with someone on top of you [been there], and trying to manipulate an object located behind your back. It's not outside the normal range of experience - except that trying to do it while "in fear for your life" would seem to make it even harder.
Don't know about you, but on those rare occasions when I've been truly afraid, I tend to be pretty uncoordinated.
Yes, practice would make it more likely, but there's no indication Zimmerman did much of that.

 

[layoutshooter]

I have zero experience jumping off a tall building - but I can pretty much imagine how it would go, until the last second, anyway. So I disagree that one needs to experience everything before having an accurate idea about how it would be. Certain things, [like childbirth], yes, but it's not terribly hard to picture lying on the ground with someone on top of you [been there], and trying to manipulate an object located behind your back. It's not outside the normal range of experience - except that trying to do it while "in fear for your life" would seem to make it even harder.
Don't know about you, but on those rare occasions when I've been truly afraid, I tend to be pretty uncoordinated.
Yes, practice would make it more likely, but there's no indication Zimmerman did much of that.

There is also NO indication that Zimmerman did NOT do the practice or training needed. Under out Constitution we assume innocence, there for, I cannot assume that he did not.

I don't use as behind the back holster, I have bad shoulders. That would make it difficult to draw is needed. I DO practice with what I have.(Mrs. Layoutshooter and I spend a lot of time on the range practicing.) People who are truly trained are not uncoordinated. Fire fighters are not. EMT's are not, Soldiers are not. Policemen are not. ER doctors and nurses are not. ONLY untrained people don't know how to react to an emergency situation. Train or die, it is really easy. Always has been, always will.

 

[cheri1122]

Judging from the totality of the evidence, I'd say Zimmerman took training about as seriously as he took the Neighborhood Watch program.
I find it amusing that you "cannot assume that he did not" [because the Constitution demands we assume innocence] yet you frequently assume you KNOW what some people are actually thinking. That's a neat trick.

 

[LDB]

I have zero experience jumping off a tall building - but I can pretty much imagine how it would go, until the last second, anyway. So I disagree that one needs to experience everything before having an accurate idea about how it would be. Certain things, [like childbirth], yes, but it's not terribly hard to picture lying on the ground with someone on top of you [been there], and trying to manipulate an object located behind your back. It's not outside the normal range of experience - except that trying to do it while "in fear for your life" would seem to make it even harder.
Don't know about you, but on those rare occasions when I've been truly afraid, I tend to be pretty uncoordinated.
Yes, practice would make it more likely, but there's no indication Zimmerman did much of that.

There's part of the problem. People with zero experience who can pretty much imagine how "it" would go, whatever "it" may be. There are a significant number of holsters that could fall into the category of IWB btb ss or ws. I'm sure I don't need to explain any of that since it's so easily pretty much imagined. Anyway, some of those that fall into that broad category are worn quite a way around to the side so the grip is very little behind the back and just a small movement makes it readily accessible. But no reason to let anything get in the way of some pretty easily imagining.

 

[runrunner]

There's part of the problem. People with zero experience who can pretty much imagine how "it" would go, whatever "it" may be. There are a significant number of holsters that could fall into the category of IWB btb ss or ws. I'm sure I don't need to explain any of that since it's so easily pretty much imagined. Anyway, some of those that fall into that broad category are worn quite a way around to the side so the grip is very little behind the back and just a small movement makes it readily accessible. But no reason to let anything get in the way of some pretty easily imagining.

Doesn't matter what type of holster you have your instinct is to protect your self from the punches being thrown,not saying going for a gun is impossible but unlikely unless your attacker is withdrawing from the attack,you must remember we are talking seconds here.

 

[paullud]

Doesn't matter what type of holster you have your instinct is to protect your self from the punches being thrown,not saying going for a gun is impossible but unlikely unless your attacker is withdrawing from the attack,you must remember we are talking seconds here.

Block with one hand/forearm reach for the gun with the other, that was simple.

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[cheri1122]

Block with one hand/forearm reach for the gun with the other, that was simple.

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Block what?! He wasn't getting punched, he was getting his head slammed to the ground.
And it seems to me that whatever type of holster he was using, the legs of Martin would have been tucked tight against his sides [to control the attempts to 'buck' him off], and that would block access to underneath his back. Martin had pretty long legs - I just can't see Zimmerman getting his gun out under that scenario.

 

[layoutshooter]

Block what?! He wasn't getting punched, he was getting his head slammed to the ground.
And it seems to me that whatever type of holster he was using, the legs of Martin would have been tucked tight against his sides [to control the attempts to 'buck' him off], and that would block access to underneath his back. Martin had pretty long legs - I just can't see Zimmerman getting his gun out under that scenario.

You have not practiced drawing a gun, many have. After a while, it is second nature.

IF his arms were pinned, his legs would not be. Bring up a knee quickly, and your firearm is instantly available for use.