I Love How Stupid The Birthers Look

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Geez wake up I was talking about before he decided to prove he was a citizen and release his birth certificate after what 2 or 3 years and just because he was living here in the US doesnt prove he was a citizen I had to provide my birth certificate to get my passport the law says must be a citizen of the US to be president so what is wrong with people wanting to see his birth certificate
Nothing is wrong for wanting to see his birth certificate. He provided it when he first ran for Congress, and again before he ran for President.

What's WRONG is that people on the far right think Obama was born anywhere but here, and people on the far left think he was born in a manger.

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What's WRONG is when people are beaten about the head and shoulders with irrefutable proof of something, they refuse to believe it.

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What's WRONG is that we have people who are JUST LIKE THIS:
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bobwg

Expert Expediter
We the people are his employer did you see his birth certificate when he ran for congress? or Pres? I my self did not see it
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
Actually, your records can be hidden, same as his. It all depends on what you want to allow to be out there. As for Web sites, there are Web sites which have information on where Obama lives, and how much he makes, and so forth.

So, guilty until proven innocent? Is that what we're doing now? If you don't have anything to hide, then you won't mind answering my questions? And if you don't answer my questions, therefore ergo ispo facto you must be hiding something and you're up to no good.

I dunno. Are you a US citizen? Have you ever broken the law? What does that mean?

What law did he break, exactly?



yes after we go find those web sites and tell them 10 times to take our names off their web site . . but why are they aloud to get our information first . why don’t we have the right to keep them from getting it in the first place . oh that’s right we are not talking about we the peoples rights and the laws we have to follow . we are talking about the president which has the same rights and laws as we the people do . but the president doesn’t need to follow them

guilty until proven innocent .yes they are doing that now . why is it when it is something you believe in it is not right but when it is against what you believe in it is ok to used it then . it should be INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY at all times. not when it works good for you .

i can remember on EO there was talk about a driver not showing his driver license to a parking lot attended and some said it was his right not to show it . others said he had to show it . this was just to park his truck . and now some say you don't need to show your birth certificate to be the president of the untied states of America . which has laws to protect the people of the states. the laws were made for a reason . but what i see today the laws were only meant for the other people that is not in this certain group .

i am not just talking about this one subject like some of you are . there is more going on then not showing of the birth certificate . or showing proof that Osama is dead .

so you believe Watergate never happened either .because you voted for Nixon and worshiped him . or do you believe that the Mafia Government would never do any thing like that

i guess the Mafia never bribed any government official at any time . because if none of that is happening today it never happened before . and why is the Mafia so bad . they never made people pay for protection . they never blackmailed . they never keep things hidden from the law . like the speak easies and the beer that they got from Canada . it only happened in the movies people aren't smart enough to do that in real life

making fake documents only happen in the movies it would never happens in real life . and the CIA ,KGB never made fake documents .to spy on other countries . because Greed and disrespect. and being power hungry . is also only in the movies . there was never documents that were made up to make the other side look bad . or to make the other side believe that they were going to be at this spot at this time .

you demand me to answer your questions and to show proof . but when i ask the president a question and to show proof . i am not aloud to do that . so it is ok for the government not to answer questions but it is not ok if i don't answer them .

what about your money. I guess you don’t care what you buy what you spend your money on . so why should you worry what the government spends wastes your money on either .

when Obama was first asked for his birth certificate he should of showed it . if he said he went to collage he should of showed proof . i mean if i say any thing on here i am asked where i got it from and if i don't nobody would believe what i said . and you know they are the same ones that are saying that the president doesn't have to prove were he was born were he went to collage . or prove that he is a citizen of the USA .

i am so glad that you would believe somebody you never meant other then seeing him on TV. because we all know everything you see on TV is real . over somebody that you have seen and talked to on this forum .

my question to you ???
do you believe that the Mafia was never true and people would never do anything like that . and the government would never do anything that was wrong , against the law , against we the people .

or would you believe that the government can be corrupt , treat people poorly , kill people for more power . break laws to get more control over people .
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
If that baby is declared to be a natural born citizen, yes. I didn't read intent, I read the actual law. Logic has nothing to do with it.

Notice the Constitution doesn't have a definition for the term "natural born citizen"? Can you define it? Do you know who defined it?

True enough, "citizen" does not mean "natural-born", as not all citizens are natural-born. But all natural-born citizens are, in fact, citizens. As far as doing a little more research, I'm stumped. I've read the Constitution, and the laws, and the court cases, so I'm at a loss as to what additional research I need to do. If you would like to point me in the right direction, I'll research there, too.

Personally, I'm getting tired of ridicule, then explain myself by doing homework others don't care to do themselves, then get more ridicule from those shown. If you're truly interested, I'll pm you what I found.

You mean like getting the entire state of Hawaii, a large section of Indonesia, parts of Kenya, three different universities and all of their faculty and staff and all of the students who attended at the same time he did, the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of the United States of American, the Supreme Court, as well as both houses of Congress, all to cooperate with him in his quest for power? Naw, that doesn't sound like it would fall under conspiracy theory at all.

Yeah, he's got beady little eyes, too. He's up to something, fur shure.

Now you're just being a tool.

OK, now you're starting to scare me a little bit. The vast majority have been duped, and only a small handful of people possess special information and insight into what's really going on.

No... like I said, I don't give two shiites about a birth certificate. I'm talking about the law... court cases where someone needs to read way into it for a definition of a term NOT defined by the Founding Fathers, and taken from another country's common law. Personally, I wish Noah Webster had gone to the Constitutional Convention and helped them to define the crap, but they didn't. That means that the Supreme Court decided to define it for those who care. Apparently, very few do.

Two people couldn't keep a white stain on a blue dress a secret. Yet you think a really insane number of people banded together over decades to conspire to make Obama the president, and not one of them has broken and fessed up. That Obama is so powerful, and has been since infancy apparently, that he was able to orchestrate a lifetime of absolute conspiracy to achieve his position as President. Sheeyeah, right.

Oh yes. I think the God of Democrats, herself, came down from Mt Olympus, and stuck her detachable doohicky into Obama's face and proclaimed him to be an illegal president.

Don't let all that "know-it-allness" go to your head, Turtle. You really come across as something I'd get banned for saying.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Whoa...Hawk....not another word.....hold on...gotta print some tickets up....I know of a bunch of fanatics that would pay to see a mod get the boot....*LOL*....think popcorn would be good too? :p;)
 

NextOut

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Both Letzrockexpress and Letzboogie have asked me to request the powers that be to kindly ban them both rather than just block their log on ability so as to make it appear they are still members here. Removal of this post will serve as satisfactory acknowledgement that you received my request. Thanks in advance.
 

Pilgrim

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"Both Letzrockexpress and Letzboogie have asked me to request the powers that be to kindly ban them both rather than just block their log on ability so as to make it appear they are still members here. Removal of this post will serve as satisfactory acknowledgement that you received my request. Thanks in advance."

Talk about wandering off the subject matter...
 
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Pilgrim

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... when Obama was first asked for his birth certificate he should of showed it . if he said he went to collage he should of showed proof . i mean if i say any thing on here i am asked where i got it from and if i don't nobody would believe what i said . and you know they are the same ones that are saying that the president doesn't have to prove were he was born were he went to collage . or prove that he is a citizen of the USA .
Playing off the above point - since we'll assume that he had the birth certificate all along, why didn't he just produce it when the request was first brought up?

Now the same thing with the "Dead Osama" photos - why doesn't he just produce one or two of them and be done with it. The claims of offending the sensibilities of jihadis is just plain silly. The more the White House struggles with this tar baby, the worse it gets for them. Every day seems to bring out more conflicting stories. Of course this is great for the GOP - all hey have to do is sit back and watch the Dems self destruct.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Playing off the above point - since we'll assume that he had the birth certificate all along, why didn't he just produce it when the request was first brought up?

Now the same thing with the "Dead Osama" photos - why doesn't he just produce one or two of them and be done with it. The claims of offending the sensibilities of jihadis is just plain silly. The more the White House struggles with this tar baby, the worse it gets for them. Every day seems to bring out more conflicting stories. Of course this is great for the GOP - all hey have to do is sit back and watch the Dems self destruct.

And as long as he can keep the news organizations and the American public on this topic (the pics), the more he can hope that we won't notice the other things going on. Job reports for April come to mind as well as gas prices and the rest of the economy. ;)
 

Ragman

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And as long as he can keep the news organizations and the American public on this topic (the pics), the more he can hope that we won't notice the other things going on. Job reports for April come to mind as well as gas prices and the rest of the economy. ;)

Ok, I'll bite. Good point. :eek:
 

Turtle

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Notice the Constitution doesn't have a definition for the term "natural born citizen"? Can you define it? Do you know who defined it?
Yes, I did notice that. And yes, I can define it. And once again yes, I know who defined it.

Personally, I'm getting tired of ridicule, then explain myself by doing homework others don't care to do themselves, then get more ridicule from those shown. If you're truly interested, I'll pm you what I found.
You're assuming, even after having been told that I've done plenty of research, that I haven't done any research. This isn't a question of not wanting to do the homework, it's a question of me doing it, but not finding anything in it that supports what you've been saying. I've read the Constitution, read several court cases including the Supreme Court rulings, and Congressional rulings and legislations, what the INS has to say about it, and feel that I'm pretty much up to speed on the various permutations and evolutions of the term. If you have something that you think I should see, please PM me with it.

Now you're just being a tool.
Thanks. I've always wanted to be useful. :D

No... like I said, I don't give two shiites about a birth certificate. I'm talking about the law... court cases where someone needs to read way into it for a definition of a term NOT defined by the Founding Fathers, and taken from another country's common law. Personally, I wish Noah Webster had gone to the Constitutional Convention and helped them to define the crap, but they didn't. That means that the Supreme Court decided to define it for those who care. Apparently, very few do.
Well, at least we're talking about the same thing and where the current definition stands.

Oh yes. I think the God of Democrats, herself, came down from Mt Olympus, and stuck her detachable doohicky into Obama's face and proclaimed him to be an illegal president.
You're still scaring me a little.
Don't let all that "know-it-allness" go to your head, Turtle.
You wanna talk about natural-born citizen, or me?

You really come across as something I'd get banned for saying.
Very likely. I can say the same thing about a few people here.
 
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