I Love How Stupid The Birthers Look

witness23 · May 5, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
I wasn't...believe me...

I read the original post wrong and now I am stuck....lol

gotchya......

Turtle · May 5, 2011

clcooper · May 5, 2011

Ragman said:
The constitution is quite clear and he meets the quailifications.
Get over it.

if he got foreign aid for collage he was not a citizen . and no president's information should be hidden . he is in a public office . so what does he have to hide . if we need to get his promise to see the information .

Turtle · May 5, 2011

clcooper said:
if he got foreign aid for collage he was not a citizen .

Obama didn't get any foreign aid at all for college. The junk mails and Web sites asserting this have long ago been debunked.

Incidentally, the dateline of the AP "news" story was April 1, 2009, a.k.a. April Fools Day.

clcooper · May 5, 2011

how come his records can be hidden but mine cant . web sites have information on where i live ,how much i make, and so forth . so the law is only good enough for him not the rest of us .
i am not saying any thing is fake or not . but i am saying if any laws are being broken it is not right . and he just like the rest of should proved the evidence to prove him self so he needs to make all his records open .

so if i say i just won the power ball .who will believe me . who would like to see prove .because you know that they will want to be my best freind .LOL

if you say that this law says he is a citzen but he is breaking other laws what does that mean . that the laws are only good to be used this way . but not the other way . same as he doent have to follow the law but you have too . so we as long as we follow one law we can break the rest .

fastrod · May 5, 2011

Turtle said:

Second one from the left, third one from the left is a Panther sprinter driver.

Ragman · May 5, 2011

clcooper said:
if he got foreign aid for collage he was not a citizen . and no president's information should be hidden . he is in a public office . so what does he have to hide . if we need to get his promise to see the information .

Where do you people come up with this nonsense.

Ragman · May 5, 2011

clcooper said:
web sites have information on where i live ,how much i make

Ummmm - Obama lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington D.C. It's public knowledge.

but i am saying if any laws are being broken it is not right .

Agreed.

and he just like the rest of should proved the evidence to prove him self so he needs to make all his records open .

He doesn't have to prove anything. Even the president is innocent until proven guilty.

if you say that this law says he is a citzen but he is breaking other laws what does that mean . that the laws are only good to be used this way . but not the other way . same as he doent have to follow the law but you have too . so we as long as we follow one law we can break the rest .

I'm confused by this one. Any ideas what laws he has broken?

Tennesseahawk · May 5, 2011

Turtle said:
Boot me while yer at it. The birthers want emotion to trump reality, common sense and the law. They wanted so, so badly for that birth certificate to be a forgery, and for Obama to have been born outside the Unites States, because if he was born elsewhere then he would not be eligible for the president (because of the wording of the law at the time of his birth). They said he wasn't born here, therefor he isn't a "natural born citizen". But he was born in the United States, so there ya go, he's a US citizen at birth, and no convoluted interpretation or redefinition of the law or the terms used will change that. The Fourteenth Amendment makes it very clear:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside," so individuals born on U.S. soil are considered "natural-born citizens" regardless of the citizenship status of their parents (with very few exceptions, like the children of foreign diplomats, who are under the jurisdiction of the parent's home country).

So here's the deal: Obama was born in Hawaii, and at the time of his birth Hawaii was in fact one of these United States, which makes him a natural born citizen.

When it comes to conspiracies, not just this one, but most all of them, there’s no amount of evidence or data, including irrefutable evidence, that will change somebody’s mind. They're committed to the conspiracy. The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it. Once you’re committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind. Any facts which aren't inconvenient to support the conspiracy become instantly irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory develop a selective perception and their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence, even when it's absolutely true and irrefutable. They simply dismiss it as part of the conspiracy. And if you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy.

This kind of behavior and thinking is both stupid and moronic, because it takes a special kind of stupid and moronity to dismiss the truth in favor of a lie.

So you're saying a squatter can come over, push out a baby, and that baby can grow up to be president? I already know you read the intent wrong, I'm just questioning your logic.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,"

Citizen does not mean natural-born, by any means. Try doing a little more research.

Also, why is it a conspiracy to believe that a man would do ANYTHING for power??? Not to mention he is acting suspicious about it. Maybe the majority is the real conspiracy... or they are the stupid ones.

witness23 · May 5, 2011

Again..........

Tennesseahawk · May 5, 2011

witness23 said:
Again..........

Again, I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU! Go back to your mom's basement!

bobwg · May 5, 2011

Funny how people try to express their point of view and those that disagree can only launch into personal attacks and not show facts etc as to why someones point of view is wrong gee was it not the left and Obama that said we should be more civil to each other or some words to that affect??

witness23 · May 5, 2011

Tennesseahawk said:
Again, I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU! Go back to your mom's basement!

Are you throwing a tantrum?

witness23 · May 5, 2011

bobwg said:
Funny how people try to express their point of view and those that disagree can only launch into personal attacks and not show facts etc as to why someones point of view is wrong gee was it not the left and Obama that said we should be more civil to each other or some words to that affect??

Okay, I could be reading this wrong, but I take it you are directing your comment towards those that believe the President is a United States citizen, am I right?

Alright, if that is the case then, you mentioned this in your statement, "not show facts etc as to why someones point of view is wrong". I am pretty sure the facts have been revealed, quite a bit lately. Have you opened a newspaper, watched the news, clicked on news site or read the Soapbox in the last few days?

Question.......do you believe the President is a U.S. citizen?

Tennesseahawk · May 5, 2011

witness23 said:
Are you throwing a tantrum?

Huh? Did someone say something?

Turtle · May 5, 2011

clcooper said:
how come his records can be hidden but mine cant . web sites have information on where i live ,how much i make, and so forth . so the law is only good enough for him not the rest of us .

Actually, your records can be hidden, same as his. It all depends on what you want to allow to be out there. As for Web sites, there are Web sites which have information on where Obama lives, and how much he makes, and so forth.

i am not saying any thing is fake or not . but i am saying if any laws are being broken it is not right . and he just like the rest of should proved the evidence to prove him self so he needs to make all his records open .

So, guilty until proven innocent? Is that what we're doing now? If you don't have anything to hide, then you won't mind answering my questions? And if you don't answer my questions, therefore ergo ispo facto you must be hiding something and you're up to no good.

if you say that this law says he is a citzen but he is breaking other laws what does that mean . that the laws are only good to be used this way . but not the other way .

I dunno. Are you a US citizen? Have you ever broken the law? What does that mean?

same as he doent have to follow the law but you have too . so we as long as we follow one law we can break the rest .

What law did he break, exactly?

bobwg · May 5, 2011

witness23 said:
Okay, I could be reading this wrong, but I take it you are directing your comment towards those that believe the President is a United States citizen, am I right?

Alright, if that is the case then, you mentioned this in your statement, "not show facts etc as to why someones point of view is wrong". I am pretty sure the facts have been revealed, quite a bit lately. Have you opened a newspaper, watched the news, clicked on news site or read the Soapbox in the last few days?

Question.......do you believe the President is a U.S. citizen?

Geez wake up I was talking about before he decided to prove he was a citizen and release his birth certificate after what 2 or 3 years and just because he was living here in the US doesnt prove he was a citizen I had to provide my birth certificate to get my passport the law says must be a citizen of the US to be president so what is wrong with people wanting to see his birth certificate

Ragman · May 5, 2011

I asked him the same questions in thread # 28 , o great shelled one, but alas, he doesn't seem to have an answer.

bobwg · May 5, 2011

Turtle said:
Actually, your records can be hidden, same as his. It all depends on what you want to allow to be out there. As for Web sites, there are Web sites which have information on where Obama lives, and how much he makes, and so forth.

So, guilty until proven innocent? Is that what we're doing now? If you don't have anything to hide, then you won't mind answering my questions? And if you don't answer my questions, therefore ergo ispo facto you must be hiding something and you're up to no good.

I dunno. Are you a US citizen? Have you ever broken the law? What does that mean?

What law did he break, exactly?

lets see us citizen? yes with proof did I break any laws? yes only traffic laws any other questions???

Turtle · May 5, 2011

Tennesseahawk said:
So you're saying a squatter can come over, push out a baby, and that baby can grow up to be president? I already know you read the intent wrong, I'm just questioning your logic.

If that baby is declared to be a natural born citizen, yes. I didn't read intent, I read the actual law. Logic has nothing to do with it.

["All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,"

Citizen does not mean natural-born, by any means. Try doing a little more research.

True enough, "citizen" does not mean "natural-born", as not all citizens are natural-born. But all natural-born citizens are, in fact, citizens. As far as doing a little more research, I'm stumped. I've read the Constitution, and the laws, and the court cases, so I'm at a loss as to what additional research I need to do. If you would like to point me in the right direction, I'll research there, too.

Also, why is it a conspiracy to believe that a man would do ANYTHING for power???

You mean like getting the entire state of Hawaii, a large section of Indonesia, parts of Kenya, three different universities and all of their faculty and staff and all of the students who attended at the same time he did, the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of the United States of American, the Supreme Court, as well as both houses of Congress, all to cooperate with him in his quest for power? Naw, that doesn't sound like it would fall under conspiracy theory at all.

Not to mention he is acting suspicious about it.

Yeah, he's got beady little eyes, too. He's up to something, fur shure.

Maybe the majority is the real conspiracy... or they are the stupid ones.

OK, now you're starting to scare me a little bit. The vast majority have been duped, and only a small handful of people possess special information and insight into what's really going on.

Two people couldn't keep a white stain on a blue dress a secret. Yet you think a really insane number of people banded together over decades to conspire to make Obama the president, and not one of them has broken and fessed up. That Obama is so powerful, and has been since infancy apparently, that he was able to orchestrate a lifetime of absolute conspiracy to achieve his position as President. Sheeyeah, right.