Hey, VP debates tonite
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No, I am NOT missing the point. The POINT is that the government, and those who support government abortions, have NO problem using FORCE to insure that I am REQUIRED to assume the responsibility for OTHER PEOPLE'S actions. Tell me this, how many ADULT Americans are you willing to see killed to insure that abortions are paid for with tax dollars? I ONLY ask this because WHEN that happens I will STOP paying taxes. The government WILL use what ever force they have to TAKE my hard earned money from me. Pro-Choice? WHAT CHOICE? Pay for others lack of responsibility or die? GOOD CHOICES! Sounds like Soviet Russia to me.
You are correct... im sure alot are done out of convenience.. but thank them for thinking for ONCE in there life..and NOT bringing a child in to this world they will not love and take care of..THANK THEM...not ridicule them...they just saved a child of a life of misery...because lets be frank and honest here...call a spade a spade...if your mom is thumbing the yellow pages for an abortion clinic..your outlook of a good life (as we all would want)...just went down the crapper..so maybe its best...
Im so glad Mr. Amonger NEVER makes mistakes...
Not everybody will or does live your holey life as you..people get drunk and bang strangers...as shocking as this is to you..there are some real trash in this world mixing dna all the time..not even the jerks in this world...good people make mistakes too... and you let that proceed... a good % of them WILL be on our dole..work a little harder next week they will thank you..
Preventive maintenance..
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There is only a "dole" because honest, hard working Americans are FORCED to pay for it! The ONLY choice I have is pay for the bums, go to jail or get shot. GREAT IDEA! Sounds like FREEDOM to me! 
Yes you are missing it..
We shouldnt have to pay for others...but welcome the US of A..
FACT unwanted pregnancy will happen PERIOD..and it only multiplies when the poulation rises ..
Its gonna happen..
Preventive Maintenance..
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I'm not defending anything, other than people not having to accept new definitions of things just to satisfy someone else's wants and wishes.
Yet that is precisely what humans have always done when it comes to morality. Humans are the ones who define what is and is not moral. It is only within the very limited scope of religion that it is defined as being something bestowed upon us by a higher power. The term itself comes from the ancient Greeks and is derived from a word which means "manners". Morality is the distinction between right (good) and wrong (bad) behavior with respect to philosophy, religion or culture. Quite often the moralities of those three entities are in conflict, and no matter how strongly one feels that one particular morality is more true and just than another, they are simple a different set of moralities that societies and individuals choose to live by. The only difference is the intensity and fervor that people try to force their morality onto others.
That's a straw man logical fallacy, and an awfully convenient one to create considering it's not to be found anywhere in the Bible. If abortion is the incredibly important moral issue that some want to make it, using religious arguments to do so, then God and Jesus are unlikely to have ignored or greatly obfuscated any issue of such importance, considering they hit upon such details as how many toes an animal has before we can kill it and eat it.
Which is clear evidence that back then, same as now, you cannot legislate morality, that society's moral legislation reflects the cultural, religious and philosophical morals of society at large, rather than the individual morals of a select few trying to impose their own flavor of morality onto society.
There is only a "dole" because honest, hard working Americans are FORCED to pay for it! The ONLY choice I have is pay for the bums, go to jail or get shot. GREAT IDEA! Sounds like FREEDOM to me!
Exactly...were forced...couldn't agree with you more...little now...or ALOT later..if your forced i would go with the 1st.
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How many adult citizens are going to have to DIE at the hands of the government to get this "Preventive Maintenance" so many seem to want? I am NOT going to pay ONE CENT in taxes if abortion is paid for with it. I hope that makes it clear.
Now, please explain, how is this "Preventive Maintenance" going to be a CHOICE if I am going to be FORCED, likely at gun point, to pay for it? Why is it that NO one who believes in this type pf "Preventive Maintenance" will answer that question? Do you not believe that I would stand up for my beliefs at any cost? Are you willing to pay THAT price?
Now, please explain, how is this "Preventive Maintenance" going to be a CHOICE if I am going to be FORCED, likely at gun point, to pay for it? Why is it that NO one who believes in this type pf "Preventive Maintenance" will answer that question? Do you not believe that I would stand up for my beliefs at any cost? Are you willing to pay THAT price?
So you are saying that you AGREE with the use of FORCE to insure that one has to cover the costs of others lack of responsibility? How much FORCE?
Quite clear. So I take it you no longer pay taxes? Beeeecuz taxpayer money is, and has been for quite a few years now, being used to pay for abortions, albeit in an indirect way thanks to creative bookkeeping by Planned Parenthood, which is largely funded by tax dollars.
Which is why I am fighting this tooth and nail. AND, if it is soon not stopped, I will stop paying. As you stated, right now at least, Planned Parenthood (murder inc.) is using creative accounting to cover their tracks, CLAIMING that they don't us the money to perform abortions. WINK WINK!
I have dropped my health insurance and have sent letters to BOTH my senators, my rep AND Obama telling them I have done so, TELLING them that I will NOT pay the penalty (it is NOT a tax) and signed those letters.
It is coming to a head.
As I have asked, how many are willing to see others gunned down to have tax paid abortions?
I have dropped my health insurance and have sent letters to BOTH my senators, my rep AND Obama telling them I have done so, TELLING them that I will NOT pay the penalty (it is NOT a tax) and signed those letters.
It is coming to a head.
As I have asked, how many are willing to see others gunned down to have tax paid abortions?
Hey, that's pretty funny.
So asjssl
Are you for or against capital punishment?
Would you support requiring sterilization as a condition for murder (abortion)?
Would you support sterilization of the father as a condition for murder (abortion)?
Are you even capable of acknowledging abortion is murder?
Are you for or against capital punishment?
Would you support requiring sterilization as a condition for murder (abortion)?
Would you support sterilization of the father as a condition for murder (abortion)?
Are you even capable of acknowledging abortion is murder?
Obviously I look at it as a moral issue, and I believe abortion is murder. I have 2 beautiful grand daughters who were born premature.. they struggled, but now are wonderfully healthy.
All that aside.. my personal belief is, no matter the circumstances, that baby has a right to life. They may have a rough beginning, but use those circumstances to push them higher. I think one solution is to make it easier for people to adopt. I've known several people who would LOVE to adopt, but were not allowed.. they didn't have the right house, job, the right amount of money, etc.. so like was said, it's easier to leave them in a orphanage I guess.
Here's the thing, as Monk said... when a society begins to murder people (babies) who are 'inconvenient', I believe it opens a door. Eventually, it might be ok to euthanize old people who have no one to care for them.. the handicapped, crippled, sick, ugly, different, etc.. we get right back to Hitler.. get rid of those who are imperfect, or not deemed helpful to society.
Extreme vision? Absolutely. Could it happen? I think so. .it has happened before.
Dale
All that aside.. my personal belief is, no matter the circumstances, that baby has a right to life. They may have a rough beginning, but use those circumstances to push them higher. I think one solution is to make it easier for people to adopt. I've known several people who would LOVE to adopt, but were not allowed.. they didn't have the right house, job, the right amount of money, etc.. so like was said, it's easier to leave them in a orphanage I guess.
Here's the thing, as Monk said... when a society begins to murder people (babies) who are 'inconvenient', I believe it opens a door. Eventually, it might be ok to euthanize old people who have no one to care for them.. the handicapped, crippled, sick, ugly, different, etc.. we get right back to Hitler.. get rid of those who are imperfect, or not deemed helpful to society.
Extreme vision? Absolutely. Could it happen? I think so. .it has happened before.
Dale
Did we really have to resort to the Hitler analogy?
I DO NOT have a problem with taxpayer funded abortions..
Preventive Maintenance..
Of all the things they do with OUR $$ this is what you get steamed about...
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