hello june.

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You forgot the paid deadhead there buddy!! Tell the whole story, don't short change yourself.

Now you're at 1.000000009 per mile. (real life numbers, about .77 all in per mile.)

Some say change is coming. Ha, change came once before, that's why a lot of us are here. Like change and low rates, miles? Then head on over to the carrier you left to come here and be happy and smile for those miles. :cool:

Load-1 Actual has this. End of line

Give me a break Eddie....I know you better....you'd take .99 all day everyday to get out of Dallas instead of burning rubber to get out as fast as we can....LOL
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Nooo...I said on a case by case basis to get out of BFE....not some of that low paying garbage in Mi, Oh, and such, let the scumbags run that ......I don't really give a rat azz....sit in BFE for weeks or DH out on your own dime...or better yet turn down a .90 opportunity only to accept a .20 paid move 3 days later....ya all know it is a crap shoot....

We have never been called scumbags before - I don't think I like that :(

We take whats offered and don't cherry pick
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You really should clarify that point in your post Sir ..... I nearly choked on my cuppa !!

:D

Didn't think it was necessary ma'am....I would never disparage a fellow Load 1er on purpose....:)

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Recently spotted at Isis...Load 1 drivers at meal time....LMAO
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
And......good morning. Well I came home last night and flipped open my EO app in bed around 140 and was like ok. Decided I would wait till this morning to enter the fray. That and my thumbs would have fallen off trying to respond off of my phone. A little of good points and perspectives here.

1) It is true years ago Load One having a large sprinter fleet was a competitive advantage in many ways. For both sales and equipment and loading versatility. Yes, today the larger vehicle has become much more mainstream and with the mfg's shifting production and model types I think it will be what is considered the "norm" of vans within a few years. As that market supply and demand changes so do the dynamics of rates and freight. Exactly the same scenario; just a few years ago we were one of the few carriers that had 53ft air ride curtain side trailers. Now they are FAR more common and the supply demand market has shifted accordingly.

2) Am I a fan of the idea of adding cargo vans...personally no I am not.

3) What is a "sprinter type unit" in my opinion? It is a large cargo van that represents more loading opportunities. More opportunities generally represents more money on average and the ability to move more often. In a way it is like the driver with hazmat or that can run Canada....more opportunities. Back to my curtain side trailer scenario for a minute. Years ago we started paying extra to mount the curtains on the outside and have the curtain system built a few inches taller to be full 13ft 6 (believe it or not that is not the standard on those). Why did we spend this money and customize? Some loads need this space, supply is low and thus a higher rate. Now 95% of the loads they haul, don't need this extra space and customers simply won't pay for what they don't need.

4) Generally dispatch and sales is struggling with customer direct freight at cargo van tariff rates. Customers expect us to handle straight trucks, sprinters and cargo van loads. Not just two out of three or what happens..... we lose the customer or get moved down the list and offered the opportunities as number 3, 4 or 5 versus 1st or 2nd. Backhaul or bid board freight is a different story. That is really supply/demand rate driven and honestly it is what it is, the market forces are the majority of the control there. Yes, we may ask what a truck will run for and yes we may not choose to go that low. It really gives us a bottom line number. We are still going to bid based on a lot more data than that single number. The job of bid team is far more complicate than what most would realize. Most people don't fully understand or appreciate the nuances or aspects of someone else's job. Just as their is much more to what you guys do then most of us would fully realize.

5) The reality of tariff cargo van rates and fuel at Load One....generally equal too what most other carriers pay their sprinters on the per mile plans. Now add in layover and other perks..... While some will comment about sitting the last month I fully understand that. On a big picture the "waiting list" has honestly never been longer and our phones are lit up with drivers at other carriers calling and telling us about their struggles. Yes some carriers out there move in and out around you. If you wanted too and could run for those rates all the time, honestly you would be signed on there and that is the bottom line. I could drop all our rates across the board 10 to 25 percent like some of our so called "competitors". I could drop our pay plan to protect the company side of the p&l and just run the wheels off you guys. Honestly today we are one of the very few left on percentage pay. Why did so many of the other carriers change away from it? To benefit their fleets or their companies???? Out of the few paying percentage the one I know is 62% of I think but am not sure 95% of the linehaul. Run those numbers and it is a good 10% below our pay (without layover and extras). I am not sure of Landstar Express America's pay plan but I believe they are % pay, I just don't know the structure or numbers so I can't comment other then I have talked to drivers that moved here from others.

Every load is not a home run, like I have said many times. Sometimes you get a double and some times it is a bunt. But at the end of the game it is all about the final score or the "average". When I listen too, "I talked to this guy and they are running him at his carrier while we are slow" I just would love to say..."Did you ask him if he has already called to get his name on the list as he is going broke?".

6) Sales. Yes, I have to appease more than just my beloved fleet, lol. We go after the best sales people in the industry. They are often paid in part on performance. They work hard to sell accounts. When they see loads we miss because a sprinter won't run at cargo van tariff they are beating me up and rightfully so. Part of my job is to make sure that we have a fleet that can properly support the sales team and the customers. We are also struggling and will have confront the question of having expedite tractor trailer teams in the fleet I am sure soon. As this is another issue that keeps slowly creeping in.

7) God Bless America and hey how is everyone doing this morning? :D

8) I love this company, our people and my fleet. I think the company changes and grows. But we have worked VERY hard to not change our founding principles. But everyone needs to help change and adapt to market and customers needs. Yes, I ask for a lot of trust out of my fleet. But unlike other companies I think I have shown my ways and hopefully continue to earn your trust everyday. So many were worried when changes have come over the years and to what end? How many in the fleet were panicked when I appointed a president???? Whatever changes and happens is ultimately on me good or bad. I am not changing. Granted the car went from black to silver to appease my family after 6 black ones, but my butt is still sitting at Isis :cool:
 
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jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
SAFER has been updated!!!!! This calls for another coffee and baileys.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
What is a "sprinter type unit" in my opinion? It is a large cargo van that represents more loading opportunities. More opportunities generally represents more money on average and the ability to move more often. In a way it is like the driver with hazmat or that can run Canada....more opportunities.
That's exactly what I drive. I drive a cargo van, which gets very good fuel mileage, that I can stand up in and gets me more load opportunities. I take what's offered and add it up at the end of the month. I ran .77 a mile + fcs freight at Panther in the same van for 5 years and did well. I do way better at Load One. I'm not doing better because I turn loads down, that's for sure.
 

guido4475

Not a Member
I'd take .99 any day on a case by case situation any day.... I have one of the lowest CPMs ....

Its not only the CPM that is a factor in determining how low one can run for...it also is what a persons personal financial life is like as well. One may be single, living at home, and hardly any bills at home, blowing money any and every chance they get. Than there's the person who is raising a family, and using each and every dime they earn wisely. Who has the room to bend more?.

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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Its not only the CPM that is a factor in determining how low one can run for...it also is what a persons personal financial life is like as well. One may be single, living at home, and hardly any bills at home, blowing money any and every chance they get. Than there's the person who is raising a family, and using each and every dime they earn wisely. Who has the room to bend more?.

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each individual is responsible for what they need to live...I need less, you need more and so and so needs that much....thats a fact...I've said before we all have different needs....you can deal with whatever you need and I'll deal with what I need....lets not group us all in the same basket....
I don't think anyone is proposing a general rate reduction, but rather more say in the rates that are bid, depending on the circumstances....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
That's exactly what I drive. I drive a cargo van, which gets very good fuel mileage, that I can stand up in and gets me more load opportunities. I take what's offered and add it up at the end of the month. I ran .77 a mile + fcs freight at Panther in the same van for 5 years and did well. I do way better at Load One. I'm not doing better because I turn loads down, that's for sure.

That is exactly what I am saying......gives US the O/O more say on what we run for....when it comes to "load board" stuff. It must be frustrating for the bidders to lose almost every bid because we are so high....
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Not as simple as that. Bidding is much more complicated. We have to look at a lot of factors and we do not attempt to just go to the low number on our bids. We have competition that does that day in and day out. That is not our strategy and that isn't changing.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
When they call me and ask what I'll take to run a load, I'll lead semi-jokingly with "As much you can get," and isn't that funny, but it quickly moves to the reality of, "Whatever you can get for it is fine."
 
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