I said ASSUMING THAT WHAT WE READ IS TRUE! I am not allowed to introduce "Other things" and neither are you, so there!
Just going on what was stated in the article.
Guy Gets caught breaking into trailers, Killed
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I said ASSUMING THAT WHAT WE READ IS TRUE! I am not allowed to introduce "Other things" and neither are you, so there!
Just going on what was stated in the article.
So they were able to safely beat him to death but not subdue him?
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Brisco
Expert Expediter
WHO could come up "He Said he had a Gun" unless the Criminal Himself ACTUALLY said it???
You could probably scour over thousands and thousands of Police Reports / Investigative Reports / Trial Transcripts and rarely come across the words of "HE SAID he had Gun" coming from the Victim Themselves WITHOUT actual evidence where the Criminal himself actually says it..........
A hardened Criminal WILL SAY he has a Gun to Cover his asssh when it's about to get beat by 4 Good Men who were not going to let Evil win..........
Do you really believe these 4 Good Men Huddled together and came up with a "Let's say HE SAID he had a gun" Defense Plan to tell the Officers when they arrived to take the Criminal away from their property???
Sheeeeeesh.........
Unless I read the story wrong, there was NO cause of death stated. All I read said the guy was unresponsive. Right now, that is the end of the story.
The only things we KNOW is that he is dead, and that he was was on private property, but we don't know why he was there or how he got there. We certainly don't KNOW that he was caught breaking into trailers, or that he claimed to be armed with a gun, as those things were alleged by the people who beat and killed him. For all we know the four who beat and killed him have been doing Mr. Bell's wife and he came to the terminal to confront them, then they killed him and concocted the whole story about breaking into trailers and him having a gun.
Does anyone else find it to be extraordinary that four employees have such extraordinary company loyalty as to risk their lives to subdue a man with a gun simply for breaking into trailers?
Again, as I stated at least twice in the post you are only quoting part of: ASSUMING THAT ALL WE READ IS TRUE!
No, I don't find it all that extraordinary that any number of employees would have that kind of loyalty to a company.
Could there be OTHER reasons? Sure! They just may have hated the guy, but that is not stated in the story either.
I don't believe that there is anything "simple" about theft. It costs us all money. It can destroy lively hoods. No one is every made 100% "whole" again after being a victim of crime. Thieve steal more than property. They steal our "peace". They steal our "security" and they steal our "well being". Once a home has been invaded by thieves it never really "feels" right again. That is made MUCH worse if children live in that home.
NO crime is "simple", it all has far reaching effects beyond the act itself.
Not relevant. If one believes, based on statements or actions, that the person involved is armed one should react accordingly, if one chooses to act.
I can see it now. BAD guy says "I have a gun" Good guy says, "You must first show it to me so I know how much force I can legally and morally use" BAD guy whips out his stolen piece and blows the good guys face off.
OR good guys run away and bad guy wins. It is ultimately each individuals responsibility to insure that all are safe. Dependence on government to insure our safety and well being has been a total failure.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Many are not as perfect as you are. Many are more flawed. You must pity them.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Good chance they were Teamsters.
I was a Union Member 19 years. Most in the Teamsters.
Teamsters ALWAYS get their stories straight .
The cowardly murderers stated that he was breaking into trailers, they didn't say he was stealing anything.
I've been the victim of crime, so that notion is well known to me.
Of course its relevant unless you want to ignore a fact.
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Stating that those involved are "cowardly murderers" is evidence, that for the time being, is not in fact. We have no idea, yet, what, or who if, anyone, killed the person that was alleged to be breaking into trailers.
For all we know the heroin he shot up with ten minutes prior to his attempting to break into those trailers killed him. But that is not evidence in fact either.
As the old saying goes, there are only two kinds of people, those who are victims of crime, and those who will become victims of crime. In reality, with the long reaching effects of criminal activity on our daily lives, everyone is victimized to a degree with each crime that is committed.
NO that is NOT what I said. I SAID it is not relevant to the actions taken. FAR different than what your are saying.
Never said or insinuated such. I'm curious why its OK to say how much it disrupted your life but when I state it did not affect me much it needs such a reply. I made no statement about how you felt but if you want to go there it is obvious you dwell on many things in life that only makes one more miserable. I simply choose to move on.
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I was speaking in the context of the affects of crime, beyond the act itself, on society. Those "feelings" I was speaking about are well documented and well known. I never once said what I personally feel about the break in's we have been through, other than it made me REALLY angry at the time. FOR GOOD REASON I might add. That was it.
I still hadn't got my head around the statement you made several times about "justice being freedom from crime" when I read the one about the "two kinds of people".
Seriously, what planet do you live on, where either [much less both!] of those statements is true?
CCDriver
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Who knows how much of a beating this guy took maybe he had a bum ticker, maybe he was a crackhead and had serious health problems. Maybe he did say he had a gun and one of those guys really coldcocked him.
The only ones that really will ever know is those that where there. It really doesn't take a lot of force to end someones life. Whether he was killed accidently or on purpose we will never know.
All that we know for sure is he won't be breaking into anything ever again. You know I had a lawnmower stolen from me. After I had replaced the blade, aircleaner, and put a new cutoff cable on it and changed the oil. Now if I ever find out who stole it I'm not going to kill them but if they succomb from the *** beating I'd give them.... Well I'd just chalk it up to karma or divine justice.
The only ones that really will ever know is those that where there. It really doesn't take a lot of force to end someones life. Whether he was killed accidently or on purpose we will never know.
All that we know for sure is he won't be breaking into anything ever again. You know I had a lawnmower stolen from me. After I had replaced the blade, aircleaner, and put a new cutoff cable on it and changed the oil. Now if I ever find out who stole it I'm not going to kill them but if they succomb from the *** beating I'd give them.... Well I'd just chalk it up to karma or divine justice.