Ft. Hood Massacre: 12 Dead, 31 Wounded

[Pilgrim]

In case you're not near a news outlet, this happened around 1:30PM Central. One terrorist - MALIK NIDAL HASAN - armed with two handguns, managed to kill 12 and wound 31 unarmed innocents. Although facts are sketchy at this point, it seems this guy was a military psychiatrist recently transferred from Walter Reed in DC to Ft. Hood and was supposedly about to be deployed.

The first thing that strikes me about this situation is that 43 is a lot of victims for one person with two handguns under any circumstances. It will be interesting to see what kind of military firearms training this medical man received from the Army - he apparently was not from Special Forces. Just from a hypothetical standpoint, it would seem that he would have had to reload these handguns multiple times and inflict multiple wounds per person. Assuming he had a 50% hit ratio, that would be at least 86 shots with only one hit per victim. We're probably talking moving targets in this case - not sitting ducks.

It will be interesting to see how the facts unfold with this tragedy. The AP is reporting that he graduated from Va. Tech in 1997 and was in ROTC seemingly intent on making a career in the military. Let's hope that he wasn't a Muslim "sleeper" established in a critical position and waiting for the signal from Allah to wreak death to the infidels. The security on our military bases would come into serious question if they are that easily infiltrated. Like the age old question of "who polices the police?", one might ask "who analyzes the psychiatrists" and determines their fitness for military service?

 

[layoutshooter]

There is MUCH more to come out on this story. There is likely to be a LOT of political fallout and hay making over it.

I would be looking a security. By that I mean who we allow to join our military and INCREASING background checks to Cold War Ira levels. We have become VERY lax over the last 15-20 years.

It is going to become even MORE interesting IF this guy used NON-military weapons that he BOUGHT on the open market. I can hear Nancy now................

 

[dabluzman1]

There is MUCH more to come out on this story. There is likely to be a LOT of political fallout and hay making over it.

I would be looking a security. By that I mean who we allow to join our military and INCREASING background checks to Cold War Ira levels. We have become VERY lax over the last 15-20 years.

It is going to become even MORE interesting IF this guy used NON-military weapons that he BOUGHT on the open market. I can hear Nancy now................

How dissapointing you would use the blood of fallen heros as a stepping stone to snipe at someone.
You seem ( should ) know better than that.

 

[Dreamer]

I find the whole thing so sad. This will create more distrust of Muslims that hasn't been seen since 9/11. You know, concious or not, now the soldiers will be looking at others, wondering who ELSE may just 'snap'.

By all accounts so far, he is just one single disgruntled soldier, who objected to going and fighting against other Muslims, but.. even a terrorist couldn't have planned a more effective moral killer, in my opinion.


Dale

 

[aristotle]

I heard various news reports that the shooter's Facebook page disappeared within 2 hours of his shooting spree. Supposedly, his Facebook entries detailed his affiliation with radical elements of Muslim organizations. Who would have the authority and wherewithal to pull his Facebook account? Whose interest is served by preventing the public from seeing his writings?

This shooter was a physician. A psychiatrist no less. I am not aware of even one other single incident wherein a medical doctor went on a killing spree with handguns. We are told he shot 43 people with pistols before being subdued. Unbelievable madness and evil. Such cowardice!

Given the military's well earned reputation for efficiency, let's hope for a speedy court-martial and execution. How the mainstream media would howl at the prospect of executing a Muslim by military jurisprudence decree. In earlier times, this major would be facing a firing squad. Today, he might get a book deal and a movie.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I don't think there is much spin to this as some are going to make out...

Just another guy goes whacko.out of control who happens to be Muslum!

No lapse in screening, no lapse in security...plain ole human un-nature!

People are people and military people are human too and not special...just people who do a high risk job for low pay...At least an iron worker gets well paid!

 

[layoutshooter]

How dissapointing you would use the blood of fallen heros as a stepping stone to snipe at someone.
You seem ( should ) know better than that.

The ONLY reason I said ANYTHING like that was because SOMEONE on CNN already brought up the possiblity that he had NOT used issued arms and had bought them on the market. Then that talking head asked how someone like this could buy guns.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

The ONLY reason I said ANYTHING like that was because SOMEONE on CNN already brought up the possiblity that he had NOT used issued arms and had bought them on the market. Then that talking head asked how someone like this could buy guns.

CNN? Aw come on Joe...

He is American as apple pie...born and raised here and a 14 year veteran...he snapped period....

Thats like saying the Chinaman that shot up Va Tech was a communist plot!

 

[hondaking38]

WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

So the signs were there, evidence of a problem...He just snapped/off the deep end.

 

[LDB]

So the signs were there, evidence of a problem...He just snapped/off the deep end.

So the signs were there, evidence of a problem...

Yes.

He just snapped/off the deep end.

Unlikely. Far more likely premeditated and finally enacted.

 

[layoutshooter]

I await the investigation. My gut tells me that this was planned. It is not likely that he just happened to come up with those weapons, magazines and all that ammo on the spur of the moment. It took time and a lot of planning. It is more likely that he is part of something bigger. However, nothing is for sure yet and we shall see. I hope that we are able to get the entire story and that there is nothing held back.

 

[witness23]

I await the investigation. My gut tells me that this was planned. It is not likely that he just happened to come up with those weapons, magazines and all that ammo on the spur of the moment. It took time and a lot of planning. It is more likely that he is part of something bigger. However, nothing is for sure yet and we shall see. I hope that we are able to get the entire story and that there is nothing held back.

I am in total agreement with you Layout. There is a lot of investigating to be done and hopefully, just hopefully we will get the whole story on exactly why he did this.

My prayers go out to the families who have lost loved ones in this senseless tragedy.

 

[hondaking38]

I will say it one more time!!!!!Muslims are a religion of peace!!!! if you dont believe me ask OBAMINATOR..

 

[chefdennis]

There have already been 2 military base terrorist acts planned Ft Dix was one, i can't remember the other...those 2 were planned off base by terrorist groups with the help of military troops on the base and they were un-covered before hand...while i have no evidence,but i believe as was said, this was planned..his internet rants and attitude towards the military and the troops he works with shows his bs and as more is uncovered i thinbk we will find he didn't act on his own...

As for his having 2 weapons....i don't ever remember the military issuing anyone i knew or served with being issued to handguns....id say he got them off base...this was planned..

Grad day, in and area that was processing troops leaving for ME serves.....this was planned....

 

[layoutshooter]

The fact that he was a doctor, a non-combatant, would preclude him from being issued ANY weapon. This was planned. Do NOT forget that guy in Iraq that fragged an officer. That guy was of the Muslum bend as well.

 

[chefdennis]

Snapped!?!? Nope, this was planned, as the investigation goes on it will show he set out to do this long before it happenned.....

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor." That's what Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

Military jihadists fill 'every branch'

 

[layoutshooter]

We must also look out for the "New Black Panthers" AND the Nation of Islam. They are BOTH able to help infiltrate the ranks of our military. With the lack of PROPER background checks it would be very easy to do. Before ANY of you out there get your knickers in a twist, this is NOT anything new. There have been attempts to infiltrate our military, intell services AND government since the days of Benedict Arnold. It just happens that in this point in time we are fighting radical muslims. It is just what it is.

 

[chefdennis]

Here is a video of fox news of a phone call interview with Col Lee who worked with the shooter daily:

Breitbart.tv Co-Worker: Ft. Hood Suspect Made ‘Outlandish’ Comments Condemning US Foreign Policy

And Layout, this issue is more then about muslims in the military, we have them in elected office in the senate..Keith Ellison is from minn and has well placed contacts with CAIR...oh and then the is the guy in the WH.....

 

[greg334]

I am wondering if his mental condition had anyhting to do with this, I mean the records that were talked about last night indicated more than a religious motive but one of a mental health issue. Don't forget 70% of the mental health professionals, like doctor and therapist enter the field to find out what is wrong with themselves.

No matter what is said, there are a lot of incidents that don't get into the news. Assaults, stabbings, even some shootings on bases around the world.