Friggen' Socialist

[davekc]

We hold great hope the Supreme Court has voted to strike down Obamacare. Their decision will be announced in June. With the Supremes making the call, Congress is off the hook. Moreover, if SCOTUS strikes down Obamacare, then Romney doesn't have to act on this matter.

I am curious why our libertarian friends rake other GOP candidates over the coals while almost never mentioning Obama or his policies. Their near silence on Obama highlights the ruse of Ron Paul running on the GOP ticket. It seems they have no over-riding desire to defeat Obama as their sole interest rests elsewhere. I expect a good number of RP supporters to vote for Obama as an act of spite. Ron Paul or not at all? I can't even begin to explain how destructive that thinking is.

It is odd that they spend all that time trashing the Republicans yet Ron Paul is still in the party. But either way, they have yet to provide a viable candidate as a alternative.
It is difficult as none are anything stellar.
Seems like a pointless exercise in madness to keep trashing something and fail to show anything better.

 

[AMonger]

I am curious why our libertarian friends rake other GOP candidates over the coals while almost never mentioning Obama or his policies. Their near silence on Obama highlights the ruse of Ron Paul running on the GOP ticket. It seems they have no over-riding desire to defeat Obama as their sole interest rests elsewhere. I expect a good number of RP supporters to vote for Obama as an act of spite. Ron Paul or not at all? I can't even begin to explain how destructive that thinking is.

First, there are a whole lot of actions undertaken by the electorate and advocated by those in this forum far more destructive, ESPECIALLY the lesser-of-two-evils scam the duopoly has
been running for several election cycles. You'd think everybody would have caught on by now.

Second, other than skin color and the letter after their names denoting party affiliation, there's essentially no difference between Obama and Romney. One's a big government leftist, and the other is a big government leftist. Under both, government will grow, your rights will shrink, and the economy will crash. Defeating Obama is only a plus if the alternative is better, and it ain't.

Third, my sole interest is the Bill of Rights, and I can only back someone who will fight for them. There's only one candidate committed to that.

Fourth, I refuse to reward the Republican Party for committing fraud in numerous states, stealing elections and sabotaging one of their candidates. Much the same way cops and prosecutors can only be controlled by the exclusionary rule, the parties can only be controlled by not rewarding them when they lie and cheat.
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[davekc]

Stealing elections and commiting fraud? Not hardly. If that was true the democrats would be all over it with proof. Problem is, there isn't any.

 

[RLENT]

I am curious why our libertarian friends rake other GOP candidates over the coals while almost never mentioning Obama or his policies.

Might have something to do with being a little too closely identified with those who seem to have made Obama-bashing a nearly full-time career or hobby ... or the mindset that accompanies it ....

It's kind hard to have an intelligent discussion when there is so much stupidity present and being readily demonstrated ...

Their near silence on Obama highlights the ruse of Ron Paul running on the GOP ticket.

Go over to the Daily Paul .... you'll find no shortage of negative comments about Obama ....

BTW, you are aware that Ron Paul has made the case for impeachment for Obama aren't you ? ..... just as he did when Bill Clinton was office ...

Obama impeachment a possibility, says Ron Paul - Dan Hirschhorn - POLITICO.com

Of course, the "party" you would blindly follow has no political will for such a thing ... since they are substantively in agreement with Obama on the impeachable offense ....

It seems they have no over-riding desire to defeat Obama as their sole interest rests elsewhere.

Defeating Obama - by electing Obama-Lite™ - may well not be real high on the list for some ....

Hard to imagine why that might be ....

I expect a good number of RP supporters to vote for Obama as an act of spite.

I'm sure that some of them will .... given the fact that he's drawing support from some independents and democrats, as well as Republicans ....

Whether that will constitute what could be said to be a "good number" depends on one's viewpoint on the matter.

Ron Paul or not at all? I can't even begin to explain how destructive that thinking is.

You are willing to blindly march in lock-step with a "party" .... apparently irrespective of who the candidate is, or what the content of their character may be ....

Wanna talk about destructive ?

Have a look at what that sort of thing has delivered throughout man's history ....

 

[RLENT]

My guess is a good number of the RP supporters are guided primarily by their "anti neocon " ferver. Everything else is secondary including defeating Obama.

Mutt,

Is that in any way analogous to how some are guided by their anti-Obama fervor .... where everything else is secondary, including the character of the people they are willing to support ?

And yeah .... the whole socialist/communist/Trotskyite/Shachtmanite heritage of the neocon ideology is a wee bit of a problem for some of us, having seen it for what it truly is ...

But we understand that some adherents have no issue with it ... as long as they don't have to actually look at and acknowledge it ...

 

[Poorboy]

And coming to a country near you, or the one your in if Obumma gets re-elected

 

[RLENT]

Yeap, still socialism, but on the state level, one can move out of the state, which state does one move to to avoid the Federal Manate?

Dennis,

You're trying to have an argument on this, or debate it with the wrong person

 

[aristotle]

Ron Paul is the ultimate RINO. He has used the Republican Party to make a living for himself. He has done nothing to help grow the party. Never works on behalf of the party. Never says a kind word about the GOP. Still, Ron Paul will run lightning fast to declare his candidacy over and over again in a party he obviously scorns. Ron Paul is a user and a loser. He was a bad candidate with a poor message. A poison pill interloper. Loose cannon. Ron Paul is political gangrene. We can take solace his candidacy was overwhelmingly rejected. Please, no more Ron Paul silliness. If Paul wants to run again in four years, providing jobs for his extended family, let him run on the Libertarian ticket. That would be more honest.

 

[AMonger]

Stealing elections and commiting fraud? Not hardly. If that was true the democrats would be all over it with proof. Problem is, there isn't any.

I've posted evidence to this very forum. Don't remember what it was titled. Full of graphs analyzing votes state-by-state, exit polls vs. published results, etc.

The reason the Demon-crats don't do anything about it is they're party of the ruling duopoly. They're marginally farther left than the GOP establishment, and would like it a little less if Ron PAUL upset their apple cart. The Republican establishment candidates, otoh, wouldn't upset their apple cart; they're ideologically very similar. No way do the Demon-crats want to punch the Republicans in the nose of it means giving Ron Paul any sort of boost. Similarly, the Republican establishment would rather see Obama re-elected than Ron Paul elected. Only Ron Paul is for small, constitutional government and the Bill of Rights.
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[RLENT]

It is odd that they spend all that time trashing the Republicans yet Ron Paul is still in the party.

Someone has to try and save the party from itself ....

But either way, they have yet to provide a viable candidate as a alternative. It is difficult as none are anything stellar.

One only has to look at Dr. Paul's polling numbers when matched directly against Obama to see that he is viable .... whether the Party of Stupid can manage enough momentary intelligence to give him the nomination is another matter altogether ....

Seems like a pointless exercise in madness to keep trashing something and fail to show anything better.

Advice you yourself might want to take to heart ....

 

[AMonger]

Ron Paul is the ultimate RINO. He has used the Republican Party to make a living for himself. He has done nothing to help grow the party. Never works on behalf of the party. Never says a kind word about the GOP. Still, Ron Paul will run lightning fast to declare his candidacy over and over again in a party he obviously scorns. Ron Paul is a user and a loser. He was a bad candidate with a poor message. A poison pill interloper. Loose cannon. Ron Paul is political gangrene. We can take solace his candidacy was overwhelmingly rejected. Please, no more Ron Paul silliness. If Paul wants to run again in four years, providing jobs for his extended family, let him run on the Libertarian ticket. That would be more honest.

Anyone have Aristotle's personal email address? Somebody please tell him his account got hacked by someone posting ridiculous things to make him look bad. I'm sure the real Aristotle realizes that it's the Republican Party who moved, ideologically, while Ron Paul maintains true conservative principles and positions. He's the only one who has advocated the things that define Republicans: small government limited to their enumerated powers, the rule of law, fiscal responsibility, traditional values, and the Bill of Rights.

So Ron Paul = the real republican (small r) and ideologically the true Republican. If the party moves, should everybody? Is the only one who doesn't the traitor, out the ones who abandon their positions?

But I'm sure the real Aristotle realizes all that.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[davekc]

I'm not trashing anything except maybe Obama. I think Ron Paul is spot on with several of his positions, but he is basically unelectable. Polling at 5 or 10 percent isn't going to get much done.

 

[RLENT]

That would be more honest.

What would you care about truth or honesty ?

You support and adhere to an ideology that has, as one of it's fundamental premises, lying to the citizens of this nation, deceiving them, in order to control them ....

You - in fact - expressed support for that exact premise here on this very forum .... (remember the "government propaganda" thing a few years ago ?)

Puuuleaze spare us ....

Your comments in this matter are akin to a street hooker chastising a virgin .... for wearing lipstick to the highschool prom ....

Out of your own mouth, you have condemned yourself.

Thanks for the entertainment tho' ....

 

[aristotle]

Believe it or not, I kinda like sparring with Ron Paul supporters. They are good sports on occasion. Don't take Ron Paul's demise seriously. He was never a serious candidate.

 

[RLENT]

Believe it or not, I kinda like sparring with Ron Paul supporters.

.... no kiddin' ?

.... I never would have guessed ....

Just remember: what don't kill ya might make ya stronger ...

They are good sports on occasion.

What we are is ..... in it to win it ....

Don't take Ron Paul's demise seriously.

ROTFLMAO ....

.... demise ?

The good Dr. is just getting warmed up ....

He was never a serious candidate.

Polling well against Obama ..... number 2 in fundraising behind Mittens ... and he continues to pack them in (from today) - go Aggies !:

Ron Paul revolution packs Rudder - The Battalion - Texas A&M
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[davekc]

But then there is that pesky problem of turning a crowd into voters which Paul hasn't done this time or the last time for that matter.
Why Ron Paul rallies never translate into votes | Washington Times Communities

He isn't really polling much differently than Gingrich. If he goes independent, he may grab some ant-war folks from the democrats, but if he doesn't offer "free stuff", it won't be much.

What is interesting in this article is that it almost sounds like he is describing some EO soapbox posters.

 

[garyatk]

At least Dr. Paul offers us something different to vote for. Something that none of the other candidates as yet have offered.

The campaign promises (lies) have been the same for decades and what the people have gotten in return is treason. But go ahead and vote for it. You have that right...

 

[layoutshooter]

At least Dr. Paul offers us something different to vote for. Something that none of the other candidates as yet have offered.

The campaign promises (lies) have been the same for decades and what the people have gotten in return is treason. But go ahead and vote for it. You have that right...

Yes he did. He also made zero attempt to win this thing and is a rather weak candidate, not that anyone them are very strong.

We have the right to vote, one last time. Unless a REAL candidate suddenly pops up in the next few weeks, it is over.

 

[garyatk]

Yes he did. He also made zero attempt to win this thing and is a rather weak candidate, not that anyone them are very strong.

We have the right to vote, one last time. Unless a REAL candidate suddenly pops up in the next few weeks, it is over.

I have voted FOR non democrat and republican candidates since 1992. I have been voting for real candidates all of that time. The fact that none of them got elected had very little to do with them. It had everything to do with the voters. This election hasn't even gotten started yet, but the voters still have plenty of time to vote for a constitutionally correct candidate and or party. The democrats, republicans, lobbyists, and media do not get to decided who we vote for. We do! If the wrong person gets elected again, it is the voters fault. Nobody else's...

 

[layoutshooter]

I have voted FOR non democrat and republican candidates since 1992. I have been voting for real candidates all of that time. The fact that none of them got elected had very little to do with them. It had everything to do with the voters. This election hasn't even gotten started yet, but the voters still have plenty of time to vote for a constitutionally correct candidate and or party. The democrats, republicans, lobbyists, and media do not get to decided who we vote for. We do! If the wrong person gets elected again, it is the voters fault. Nobody else's...

I will be writing in a candidate this year. Might as well, Obama is going to win. My vote won't make a bit of difference.

I don't like Romney, Paul or Obama. I have NO choice of someone to vote for. There is no one else running.