Ford will Release the new Ford Transit in 2012
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Back to the truck again. Door pillar say's GVWR is 9,400 lbs.
Deville
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Ah Ok, I see what your saying now. I wasn't directly comparing the e-series to the Sprinter as far actual dollars, My point was ( which I stated in my orginal post) if Ford's new full size van is as strong & reliable as the e-series, than I would buy one over the Sprinter. I happen to like the Sprinter very much.
I never bougt a Sprinter because for what I do I was happy with my Ford.
Deville
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Earlier in this thread I mentioned that Ford doesn't give a clear answer on what the actual GWR is, So I was curious & looked at my Door pillar, GWR 9500 pds. Rear axle 6084 pds. front axle 3900. Add that up & it's 9984. That's a 484 pd diffrence. The weigh ticket I have when the truck was empty, not sure how much fuel was in it was 5740.
So if you go with the 9984 weight 4000 pds is reasonable. I attached a pic of the door sticker.
So if you go with the 9984 weight 4000 pds is reasonable. I attached a pic of the door sticker.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Actually Deville you can haul 3760, the 9500 number is what you need to go by. For some reason some think that the two are supposed to add up to that number.
From Ford;
"We use the GVWR rating as our max rating for the entire vehicle. We are obligated to indicate the actual axle ratings but those ratings are not the safe operating ratings of the entire vehicle."
Now the E series van has not been as long as the Transit. The Transit started life in 1953 and the E series 1961. The funny thing is comparably speaking the transit is just as good as an E series van, hauls just as much but it is not setup for our operating habits - oil changes and so on. The question is not if it can hold up to our market but if the user can hold up to the transit. GM sounds like they may move on a change in 2015, and they have a mockup or two but we may end up seeing a Fiat Ducato (or renamed Dodge version) hit the streets before either Ford or GM. I think the sprinter type van has proven itself with the two major markets it targeted, commercial (FedEx, UPS, DHL and plumbers among others) and the large van owner.
From Ford;
"We use the GVWR rating as our max rating for the entire vehicle. We are obligated to indicate the actual axle ratings but those ratings are not the safe operating ratings of the entire vehicle."
Now the E series van has not been as long as the Transit. The Transit started life in 1953 and the E series 1961. The funny thing is comparably speaking the transit is just as good as an E series van, hauls just as much but it is not setup for our operating habits - oil changes and so on. The question is not if it can hold up to our market but if the user can hold up to the transit. GM sounds like they may move on a change in 2015, and they have a mockup or two but we may end up seeing a Fiat Ducato (or renamed Dodge version) hit the streets before either Ford or GM. I think the sprinter type van has proven itself with the two major markets it targeted, commercial (FedEx, UPS, DHL and plumbers among others) and the large van owner.
I would not have believed two dogs weighing 50 & 65 lbs plus close to a tank of fuel could weigh 1220 lbs. My Van weighed 6960. Deville came in at 5,740. Amazing
I need to weigh a gallon of Diesel.
I need to weigh a gallon of Diesel.comet_4298
Seasoned Expediter
Well,I was outside a shipper one day and seen a Sprinter van like mine and see the driver and ask him if I could ask him a ? and he said sure.
What kind of weight can you haul?..........His answer,I never turn nothing down under 4,000lbs..............so I ask what kind of upgrade did you do to it and he said nothing,you can haul that much in these and I said, not mine,you must of got a special ordered one.........he said,no it's inside the door,so he open the door and pointed to to the sticker and said,see each tire is rated to be able to carry 2915lbs each.
OooooooK,were the sticker that's was on the base of your seat,........I pulled that off.you can't make no money going by that one and you sit alot.
Went back to my van and look at the sticker that he pointed to first and seen that 2915lbs was the number for a combo of passager's and cargo not to exceed.
Now,I see why it's so tough out here and why dispatch is all the time saying..... other Sprinter's are hauling that much(2500-3000lbs)why can't you...........My answer is,I have a sleeper and I run legal.
What kind of weight can you haul?..........His answer,I never turn nothing down under 4,000lbs..............so I ask what kind of upgrade did you do to it and he said nothing,you can haul that much in these and I said, not mine,you must of got a special ordered one.........he said,no it's inside the door,so he open the door and pointed to to the sticker and said,see each tire is rated to be able to carry 2915lbs each.
OooooooK,were the sticker that's was on the base of your seat,........I pulled that off.you can't make no money going by that one and you sit alot.
Went back to my van and look at the sticker that he pointed to first and seen that 2915lbs was the number for a combo of passager's and cargo not to exceed.
Now,I see why it's so tough out here and why dispatch is all the time saying..... other Sprinter's are hauling that much(2500-3000lbs)why can't you...........My answer is,I have a sleeper and I run legal.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
My pet peeve is the carrier not actually explaining what GVWR or GVW, what load capacity is and not actually asking for documentation to prove that the van is capable of hauling the freight.
Hypothetical warning.
So my wife and I are going down us23 to Cabellas and we get hit by some yahoo in a sprinter hauling heavy freight because lost control due to the freight shifting just a little as he swerved to miss someone trying to enter the freeway. When he was asked how much the load weighed, he said 5000 lbs. He says his sticker said the tires have a capacity of 2915 lbs each (11,600 lbs gross or 3000 lbs over weight in a 3500).
Do you honestly think my lawyer will not see that the weight of the sprinter with the load is WAY over the limit and jump on that?
Do you think that when he asks for the shipper's paper work that you can actually hide the weight?
Hypothetical warning.
So my wife and I are going down us23 to Cabellas and we get hit by some yahoo in a sprinter hauling heavy freight because lost control due to the freight shifting just a little as he swerved to miss someone trying to enter the freeway. When he was asked how much the load weighed, he said 5000 lbs. He says his sticker said the tires have a capacity of 2915 lbs each (11,600 lbs gross or 3000 lbs over weight in a 3500).
Do you honestly think my lawyer will not see that the weight of the sprinter with the load is WAY over the limit and jump on that?
Do you think that when he asks for the shipper's paper work that you can actually hide the weight?
Deville
Not a Member
I would not have believed two dogs weighing 50 & 65 lbs plus close to a tank of fuel could weigh 1220 lbs. My Van weighed 6960. Deville came in at 5,740. Amazing
Is your Van an extended cab?
Deville
Not a Member
I think people look at the sprinters the way they are shaped with there tall doors and wide opening that they are mini trucks, when infact they are just really nice vans. I know the diesel ones come with dual wheels so I guess that can up there cargo capacity.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
well it seems to be somewhat of an idea that because it doesn't look like a Ford, GM or Old Dodge, it must be light weight or flimsy.
I know the sprinters and transits both have a large carrying capacity, more so than any E350 ford or 3500 GM - you will have to get into an E450 or a 4500 cutaway to match it.
The Mercedes diesel is one of the best engines out there. The 5 cylinder is tops, basic design has not changed and with the history they have had with diesels, they can handle any need we may ever have.
I think we are the minority in the world, no where else uses our vans, they all use something like Sprinters.
I know the sprinters and transits both have a large carrying capacity, more so than any E350 ford or 3500 GM - you will have to get into an E450 or a 4500 cutaway to match it.
The Mercedes diesel is one of the best engines out there. The 5 cylinder is tops, basic design has not changed and with the history they have had with diesels, they can handle any need we may ever have.
I think we are the minority in the world, no where else uses our vans, they all use something like Sprinters.
Running legal in a van/sprinter? No such thing..since we are not covered by FMCSA or HOS.....it could be said...we might be running unsafe....OR I run safely..
That is why a few of us in here..will opt for a brand new motor when the time comes vs a new van....
I was quoted 18k in Birmingham and 12,600 in Rapid City....I'll have it towed home for the price difference....
comet_4298
Seasoned Expediter
OVM,where you come up with no such thing..........maybe we don't fall under the FMCSA or HOS.............but that sticker in inside the door or seat base or where ever your might be(in the trash) is there for a reason.
CharlesD
Expert Expediter
Actually it has nothing to do with it being diesel or not. It's the 3500 that has dual wheels. I have the 2500 which is single rear wheels but still diesel. I think most Sprinter people on here are probably running a 2500 diesel.
It is what the manufacturer "recommends" The van has "limits"..if you operate it beyond those limits...you take a risk of damaging the drive train and suspension....and of course braking abilities and handling...unsafe...
...and, it is illegal to load it beyond capacity. Most will never be caught doing it, but just wait 'til there's an accident.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Actually OVM, in some states that limit is not a recommendation but the absolute limit.
No matter what people say, vans haul commercially and states know this. They will pull someone over and scale that van and if you lie (no officer it is my personal stuff, while he is looking at four totes with Ford all over them full of auto parts.), then it can mean other issues.
back in 2008 I sat at one scale somewhere in the east waiting for the officer to start his inspection and they pulled in two vans. Both hauled for some company that advertises here, one was obviously a bit loaded and the other who was closest to me seemed to be a bit tired ... very tired.
The first van they weigh and the second he was told "ten hours of rest guy" and read something about leaving. The first van was a bit overweight ... by 1200 lbs so the DOT officer told him to call his company to unload the van and he got a ticket. I was out of there thanks to them, they met their quota and I was released.
No matter what people say, vans haul commercially and states know this. They will pull someone over and scale that van and if you lie (no officer it is my personal stuff, while he is looking at four totes with Ford all over them full of auto parts.), then it can mean other issues.
back in 2008 I sat at one scale somewhere in the east waiting for the officer to start his inspection and they pulled in two vans. Both hauled for some company that advertises here, one was obviously a bit loaded and the other who was closest to me seemed to be a bit tired ... very tired.
The first van they weigh and the second he was told "ten hours of rest guy" and read something about leaving. The first van was a bit overweight ... by 1200 lbs so the DOT officer told him to call his company to unload the van and he got a ticket. I was out of there thanks to them, they met their quota and I was released.