Expo "Vans 101" NOT cancelled
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Jack_Berry
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Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
can't frt securement be better taught in the parking lot while people observe?
"these are both etrak straps. this is a ratchet and this is a cinch lock. both work. buy the 16' version. better to be too long than not be secure.
if you use floor etrak do this with a skid. if you have sidewall etrak then do this. if you have drums wrap around the drum like this."
now what?
Nick's a smart dude. He'll finish his "load securing" class in 4 minutes then get on to the important stuff...
can't frt securement be better taught in the parking lot while people observe?
"these are both etrak straps. this is a ratchet and this is a cinch lock. both work. buy the 16' version. better to be too long than not be secure.
if you use floor etrak do this with a skid. if you have sidewall etrak then do this. if you have drums wrap around the drum like this."
now what?
paullud
Veteran Expediter
We do haul all kinds of freight, maybe you and your husband can talk about the proper securement of cash and knowledge.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
God ... look the sharks are circling.
How about any of you making a fuss step up to the plate and help out.
Maybe a few of you get with Nick and Jenny to do a Q&A about vans and expediting, have the presentation made, recording it and than putting it out there for everyone?
As far as securement, maybe there is a real need for this, but not just for vans. Seeing how some secure hazmat loads makes me wonder if any one has ever heard of Gravity.
God ... look the sharks are circling.
How about any of you making a fuss step up to the plate and help out.
Maybe a few of you get with Nick and Jenny to do a Q&A about vans and expediting, have the presentation made, recording it and than putting it out there for everyone?
As far as securement, maybe there is a real need for this, but not just for vans. Seeing how some secure hazmat loads makes me wonder if any one has ever heard of Gravity.
guido4475
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Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
I was actually wanting to and looking forward to attenting the van seminar as well.We never stop learning.And, after becoming freinds with Nick and Jenny, I am 100% sure it would of been a top- notch seminar, packed with strong knowledge to be shared with all that attend.Whoever made the decision to cancel this seminar and change it was not thinking too clearly.And they waited till the last minute.Kinda like being 8 months pregnant and then realizing You dont want kids...Cant really reverse the process can we??
I was actually wanting to and looking forward to attenting the van seminar as well.We never stop learning.And, after becoming freinds with Nick and Jenny, I am 100% sure it would of been a top- notch seminar, packed with strong knowledge to be shared with all that attend.Whoever made the decision to cancel this seminar and change it was not thinking too clearly.And they waited till the last minute.Kinda like being 8 months pregnant and then realizing You dont want kids...Cant really reverse the process can we??
Freightdawg
Expert Expediter
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Vans 101 was by far the best seminar at last years expo! Nick and Jenny did an excellent job!! Glad this was posted so we have time to cancel our hotel reservations.
Vans 101 was by far the best seminar at last years expo! Nick and Jenny did an excellent job!! Glad this was posted so we have time to cancel our hotel reservations.
Can you call it "Vans 251"? :thanks:
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Call it anything ya want..except them darned straights and TT's....
Call it anything ya want..except them darned straights and TT's....
Call it anything ya want..except them darned straights and TT's....
It'd mean a lot to me personally
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
I made a call to the EO Offices and talked with a person that is now aware of the issue and he/she have spoke to 'the powers that be" pertaining to the cancellation and the issue that this has become..He/she have told me that they are aware of this thread and the "stuff" that it has raised and i was asured that all efforts will be made to make sure that Nick & Jenny WILL be speaking on "VAN 101"...1 way or the other..it may be a combined seminar.
So at this time, Nick & Jenny will be speaking..LOL, and while I was told this from the EO offices and The ones that make this decision aren't sure how it will happen, and they probably haven't talked to Nick yet..I was assured something will be worked out on this issue...
I made a call to the EO Offices and talked with a person that is now aware of the issue and he/she have spoke to 'the powers that be" pertaining to the cancellation and the issue that this has become..He/she have told me that they are aware of this thread and the "stuff" that it has raised and i was asured that all efforts will be made to make sure that Nick & Jenny WILL be speaking on "VAN 101"...1 way or the other..it may be a combined seminar.
So at this time, Nick & Jenny will be speaking..LOL, and while I was told this from the EO offices and The ones that make this decision aren't sure how it will happen, and they probably haven't talked to Nick yet..I was assured something will be worked out on this issue...
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Lawrence started his career in a CV...he knows just how important 101 is to us....the feeling of shunned, pushed to the rear or outright cancelled so a straight can take the load....
Lawrence started his career in a CV...he knows just how important 101 is to us....the feeling of shunned, pushed to the rear or outright cancelled so a straight can take the load....
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Yes please everyone give your van to charity, I will wave when I go by.
Yes please everyone give your van to charity, I will wave when I go by.
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Freight securement is an important topic, despite the comments from people here who think otherwise. It's one of those things that is generally figured out by people on a trial and error basis, and the fortunate ones were able to figure it out before they had a freight claim. All the common sense in the world is worthless when it comes to securing freight, as there are many ways to do it wrong and there are many ways to do it right. But the best way to secure freight is with experience, either your own or the experience shared from others. I well remember starting out and not knowing anything about securing freight, and wishing there was a class about it. The first Expo I went to I was disappointed there was no freight securement seminar, especially for securing freight in a van, since they can present unique problems of their own. And because, you know, because the number of vans in expediting outnumber straights and tractors combined, so you'd think that some special emphasis would be placed on cargo securement in a van. But I guess since vans and van drivers are a dime a dozen it ain't that big a deal. <snort>
At this point I'd say I have a fair amount of experience in securing freight, but I'm also pretty sure there's still a thing or two that I can learn about it. Some little tip or trick that's not only better, but easier and quicker, especially when it comes to oddball freight (which I've had an awful lot of lately, where it's not only difficult to secure, but to secure it where the securement itself doesn't actually damage the freight).
Having said that, I do think a Van 101 seminar is important, for those looking to get into the business, and those who are new to it, but also for those like me who aren't ashamed to admit there's still a few things to learn about it. The Expo is vendor and carrier driven, and that's fine, but it's all moot if no one shows up or every exhibit is one which few people are interested in. Granted, vans and van drivers do not need to be actively recruited by and large, as they will show up on the doorstep of carriers regardless. Carriers need to actively recruit trucks, because they are harder to find, get and keep. Vendors want to sell trucks and all the expensive toys that go with them. But it's almost a state of denial where carriers and vendors are trying to do to the Expo and the industry what some people want to do with EO itself, make it into what they want it to be rather than accept it for what it already is, and the fact is that expediting contains more vans than it does straights and tractors combined.
I have no idea why a van seminar was replaced with a securement seminar. It's pure speculation. But I have a feeling that a large exhibitor or three posited, "We really don't want to give the impression that we're recruiting vans, do we? We've got enough vans. We've got vans up to our eyeballs. The turnover rate for vans is just stupid and we don't need to bother with teaching them anything since most of 'em will be gone in 6 months anyway. We need to keep this thing about straight truck expediting, because that's what we want and need most. We don't need to put a spotlight, even a small one, on vans."
Once again this year I will probably not be able to attend the Expo, so my comments should be taken with that in mind. It just so happens that my DOT physical and vehicle inspection usually coincides with just before or just after the Expo, in this case I have both scheduled for the 22nd. Unless circumstances work out that I get home before that and then can get back out to get up to Wilmington, I'll have to sit this one out, too.
Freight securement is an important topic, despite the comments from people here who think otherwise. It's one of those things that is generally figured out by people on a trial and error basis, and the fortunate ones were able to figure it out before they had a freight claim. All the common sense in the world is worthless when it comes to securing freight, as there are many ways to do it wrong and there are many ways to do it right. But the best way to secure freight is with experience, either your own or the experience shared from others. I well remember starting out and not knowing anything about securing freight, and wishing there was a class about it. The first Expo I went to I was disappointed there was no freight securement seminar, especially for securing freight in a van, since they can present unique problems of their own. And because, you know, because the number of vans in expediting outnumber straights and tractors combined, so you'd think that some special emphasis would be placed on cargo securement in a van. But I guess since vans and van drivers are a dime a dozen it ain't that big a deal. <snort>
At this point I'd say I have a fair amount of experience in securing freight, but I'm also pretty sure there's still a thing or two that I can learn about it. Some little tip or trick that's not only better, but easier and quicker, especially when it comes to oddball freight (which I've had an awful lot of lately, where it's not only difficult to secure, but to secure it where the securement itself doesn't actually damage the freight).
Having said that, I do think a Van 101 seminar is important, for those looking to get into the business, and those who are new to it, but also for those like me who aren't ashamed to admit there's still a few things to learn about it. The Expo is vendor and carrier driven, and that's fine, but it's all moot if no one shows up or every exhibit is one which few people are interested in. Granted, vans and van drivers do not need to be actively recruited by and large, as they will show up on the doorstep of carriers regardless. Carriers need to actively recruit trucks, because they are harder to find, get and keep. Vendors want to sell trucks and all the expensive toys that go with them. But it's almost a state of denial where carriers and vendors are trying to do to the Expo and the industry what some people want to do with EO itself, make it into what they want it to be rather than accept it for what it already is, and the fact is that expediting contains more vans than it does straights and tractors combined.
I have no idea why a van seminar was replaced with a securement seminar. It's pure speculation. But I have a feeling that a large exhibitor or three posited, "We really don't want to give the impression that we're recruiting vans, do we? We've got enough vans. We've got vans up to our eyeballs. The turnover rate for vans is just stupid and we don't need to bother with teaching them anything since most of 'em will be gone in 6 months anyway. We need to keep this thing about straight truck expediting, because that's what we want and need most. We don't need to put a spotlight, even a small one, on vans."
Once again this year I will probably not be able to attend the Expo, so my comments should be taken with that in mind. It just so happens that my DOT physical and vehicle inspection usually coincides with just before or just after the Expo, in this case I have both scheduled for the 22nd. Unless circumstances work out that I get home before that and then can get back out to get up to Wilmington, I'll have to sit this one out, too.
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
One reason for the supposed "cancellation" was maybe the lack of "Van" freight... so change the name to Sprinter 101, because carriers are still signing "Sprinter type units" while cutting back on CV's...
So while we really have no idea about the why or wheres of this...the fact is that people looking to enter the industry for the most part are looking at CV's...and me personally think that the expo is for those people more then the carriers. While the carriers do "pay" the bill for the expo for the attendees to beable to go for free, they also have the resources to do their recruiting while there, and that is really their reason for being there....so the cost they incur must be worth the exposure they get by attending...
The expo in my mind is for the people sharing their info with new people looking to get in and learn about the industry...
Just my 2 cents, for what it is worth...
One reason for the supposed "cancellation" was maybe the lack of "Van" freight... so change the name to Sprinter 101, because carriers are still signing "Sprinter type units" while cutting back on CV's...
So while we really have no idea about the why or wheres of this...the fact is that people looking to enter the industry for the most part are looking at CV's...and me personally think that the expo is for those people more then the carriers. While the carriers do "pay" the bill for the expo for the attendees to beable to go for free, they also have the resources to do their recruiting while there, and that is really their reason for being there....so the cost they incur must be worth the exposure they get by attending...
The expo in my mind is for the people sharing their info with new people looking to get in and learn about the industry...
Just my 2 cents, for what it is worth...
guido4475
Not a Member
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Turtle, you made a very good point, one that I never thought of.Makes me kind of regret what I posted earlier on this thread.
Turtle, you made a very good point, one that I never thought of.Makes me kind of regret what I posted earlier on this thread.
Re: Expo "Vans 101" cancelled
Securement is important...you can't have securement if one doesn't get any loads to secure and not knowing the basics of the business first...one goes hand in hand...
Don't regret anything.....
Securement is important...you can't have securement if one doesn't get any loads to secure and not knowing the basics of the business first...one goes hand in hand...
paullud
Veteran Expediter
It is not that securement is not important, it is just a very basic topic that could be covered elsewhere.
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