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Turtle

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India is bigger than Texas, about five times (4.72) the size of Texas. India is slightly more than one-third the size of the US.

United States - 3,794,066 square miles
India - 1,269,346 square miles
Texas - 268,820 square miles

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KickStarter6

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India is bigger than Texas, about five times (4.72) the size of Texas. India is slightly more than one-third the size of the US.

United States - 3,794,066 square miles
India - 1,269,346 square miles
Texas - 268,820 square miles

Texas-India_zpse805830b.png

I kinda feel honored that you made a graph of my mistake lol
 

Turtle

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To me the incident in Japan should improve nuclear energy's public perception. I mean that plant got hit by what 3 natural disasters with a few weeks time and it didn't melt down. I realize other people don't see it that way but I felt it proved how safe it can be.
Well... Three of the six reactors suffered meltdowns, releasing deadly radiation into the atmosphere and the ocean. The three that didn't meltdown were not powered up at the time of the tsunami. Four days into the meltdowns the overheating caused the unavoidable reaction between the water and zirconium alloy cladding on the fuel rods creating hydrogen gas, which then exploded, in spectacular fashion. The explosion tore through the structure and blew the walls out and roof off.

Three years later, Japan is still reeling. Radioactive water is still dumping into the sea, and it'll take a conservative estimate of 40 years to clean up the site. They're hoping they can get all of the 1,533 fuel rod assemblies out of Reactor Four by the end of 2014. After that, they move on to the 1,533 fuel rod assemblies of the other five reactors, beginning with Reactors One, Two and Three, all of which suffered meltdowns.

Retrieving the fuel rod assemblies from the pools is not even the hardest job the workers face. More challenging by far will be digging out the molten cores in the meltdown reactors themselves. Some of the fuel burned through its primary containment and is now mixed with cladding, steel and concrete. The mixture will have to be broken up, sealed in steel containers and moved to a nuclear waste storage site. That work will not start until some time after 2020. because the radiation will be far too high until then.

More than 340,000 people became nuclear refugees, forced to abandon their homes and their livelihoods for a minimum of 6 years in the 20 mile radius around the plant. The towns are ghost towns. They are nobody's town now. Nobody lives there, and nobody visits for long. Even the looters won't go there. Depression, suicide, behavioral changes such as poor food choices, lack of exercise, no sleep, irritability, and other detrimental effects are being observed the Fukushima refugees. One third of all refugees are forced to live apart from their children, and more than 50% of them are living apart from other family members whom they previously lived with. As many evacuees have died just from stress related illnesses of the evacuation and refugee conditions (1599 as of August 2013) as died in the earthquake and tsunami (approximately 1600).

It's certainly not as bad as the public perception, but it ain't exactly a ringing endorsement, either. ;)
 

KickStarter6

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But it was hit by natural disasters that would have caused SOME of those issues anyways. Probably not to that great of an extent by any means but 2 horrific events back to back like is a hard pill to swallow. Think if a similar earthquake hit New Orleans right after Katrina. It too would have been bad.

Side note several families were relocated to my area of central Kentucky, I was a sophomore in high school at the time and to be honest those kids were D-bags but that's another story
 

Turtle

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Turtle

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But it was hit by natural disasters that would have caused SOME of those issues anyways. Probably not to that great of an extent by any means but 2 horrific events back to back like is a hard pill to swallow. Think if a similar earthquake hit New Orleans right after Katrina. It too would have been bad.
Think if a hurricane hits New Orleans just as the Mississippi River is fully swollen to the brim from the Spring floods, instead of hitting in August and September like it did. Or, think about if the river is swollen and the New Madrid fault gives a hiccup

Side note several families were relocated to my area of central Kentucky, I was a sophomore in high school at the time and to be honest those kids were D-bags but that's another story
We had two busloads of people come into Calloway County, none of whom knew where they were being taken. They initially went to one of the Boy Scout camps, and then got moved into motel rooms a couple of days later, and then after a week or two most moved into more permanent housing. Some have since gone back to New Orleans, but most have stayed.
 

KickStarter6

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Think if a hurricane hits New Orleans just as the Mississippi River is fully swollen to the brim from the Spring floods, instead of hitting in August and September like it did. Or, think about if the river is swollen and the New Madrid fault gives a hiccup
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess REAL BAD.
 

Maverick

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To me the incident in Japan should improve nuclear energy's public perception. I mean that plant got hit by what 3 natural disasters with a few weeks time and it didn't melt down. I realize other people don't see it that way but I felt it proved how safe it can be.

Didn't melt down? Then where are the cores? Indications are, they have reached the ground, and that saturated ground sits right on the Pacific. There is no containment.
 
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Maverick

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No. It's potentially much worse than Chernobyl. A lot of this contaminated water is running into the Pacific. The world oceans are like a huge set of conveyor belts.....each feeding the other via underwater currents. If those rods fusion during removal, it will get even worse than that.

The groundwater is contaminated, and so much water has been used to keep things cooled down.....the ground is saturated and building four could collapse, which would empty the whole fuel rod storage pool. (elevated 100 ft in the air) What you have is 3 nuclear reactors; where they can't reach the melting cores, sitting on what amounts to a huge mud puddle, and no way to keep the contaminates from entering the ocean. The storage tanks are not solid, but bolted together and there are rows and rows of them, one having already sprung a leak. This is a genie, once released....can never be put back in the bottle. Only the stupidity of man would create such a monster.

But, money talks, and profits the bottom line. Posted a reference to this a few weeks ago. The ho hum response was typical.....well, the MSM is not telling us anything, so it must be another one of those alarmist idiots who get their news from real sources.

Enjoy the tuna. :)
 
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Maverick

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Fish that glow in the dark are easier to catch.

Ya, should have known to stay logged in. That Ragman is on the prowl again.

But really, no one wants to start a panic, or report flimsy evidence of anything. But the fact is, this is a potential global train wreck. Turtles report is accurate, and those stated facts are in, as are mine. I can remember all of Florida being underwater during the Gulf Oil Spill, in accordance to those on the supposed lunatic fringe. Weighed what they had to say, against the MSM reports....and sure enough, the results came in right about the middle. It's not as bad, or worse, given both sides of the issue. Usually...
 

layoutshooter

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Ya, should have known to stay logged in. That Ragman is on the prowl again.

But really, no one wants to start a panic, or report flimsy evidence of anything. But the fact is, this is a potential global train wreck. Turtles report is accurate, and those stated facts are in, as are mine. I can remember all of Florida being underwater during the Gulf Oil Spill, in accordance to those on the supposed lunatic fringe. Weighed what they had to say, against the MSM reports....and sure enough, the results came in right about the middle. It's not as bad, or worse, given both sides of the issue. Usually...

There was history of spills in the Gulf, MUCH larger than the last one, not to mention the continuous leaking, to the tune of 2 Exxon Valdez spills every year, into the Gulf. That "leaking" is natural. The Gulf can handle more oil than many believe, not that ANY spill is good.

Nuke leaks are different, but we will survive. The price of blue fin may come down, which is good, there should not be any commercial blue fin fishing anyway.
 
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