Disappearing Industry

Maverick · Jan 17, 2014

layoutshooter said:
There was history of spills in the Gulf, MUCH larger than the last one, not to mention the continuous leaking, to the tune of 2 Exxon Valdez spills every year, into the Gulf. That "leaking" is natural. The Gulf can handle more oil than many believe, not that ANY spill is good.

Nuke leaks are different, but we will survive. The price of blue fin may come down, which is good, there should not be any commercial blue fin fishing anyway.

Not to argue......but those seeping oil plumes which naturally occur, are much like the steam coming off a pot of boiling water. They actually contain good properties, and beneficial to marine life. The oil gushing up from the depths of DWH were full of what's boiling in that pot...which is volital organic compounds. (VOC's).

There's a reason fish don't need clean up suites for swimming around. The VOC's in crude oil can be deadly, to even breath. I know what your sayin....but just sayin.

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

Maverick said:
Not to argue......but those seeping oil plumes which naturally occur, are much like the steam coming off a pot of boiling water. They actually contain good properties, and beneficial to marine life. The oil gushing up from the depths of DWH were full of what's boiling in that pot...which is volital organic compounds. (VOC's).

There's a reason fish don't need clean up suites for swimming around. The VOC's in crude oil can be deadly, to even breath. I know what your sayin....but just sayin.

I don't know, from what I have read, crude is crude. The Gulf did quite well, cleaning itself up after the even bigger spill in Mexican waters, the Ixtoc Spill. I have seen the almost TOTAL recovery in the Oil City area in PA. From complete ecological disaster to clean in less than 70 years. Steams that were toxic to supporting trout. I have seen Lake Erie and the Detroit River come back from "dead" to really clean in less than 50.

KickStarter6 · Jan 17, 2014

Do we not give planet earth enough credit for being fairly resilient? I'm not saying we shouldn't try to limit our destruction and harmful ways, only that earth, Luna, Mother Nature or whatever you wanna call it is a tough old bird.

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

KickStarter6 said:
Do we not give planet earth enough credit for being fairly resilient? I'm not saying we shouldn't try to limit our destruction and harmful ways, only that earth, Luna, Mother Nature or whatever you wanna call it is a tough old bird.

Oh, we SHOULD limit the crap we do. Having said that, crap is a GREAT source of renewable energy.

Maverick · Jan 17, 2014

layoutshooter said:
Oh, we SHOULD limit the crap we do. Having said that, crap is a GREAT source of renewable energy.

Oh, that's why some of these truck stops have beautiful fauna and lawns. That esplains it Lucy.

Anything to pass the time on a Friday night...

Maverick · Jan 17, 2014

layoutshooter said:
I don't know, from what I have read, crude is crude. The Gulf did quite well, cleaning itself up after the even bigger spill in Mexican waters, the Ixtoc Spill. I have seen the almost TOTAL recovery in the Oil City area in PA. From complete ecological disaster to clean in less than 70 years. Steams that were toxic to supporting trout. I have seen Lake Erie and the Detroit River come back from "dead" to really clean in less than 50.

Ignorant for the most part on those events, but I trust you're research is accurate, and not for me to say. However, this business of bringing the natural occurring into the equation, for man made disaster is a stretch....to me anyhow. Some of the downplaying of events is combining the two, and that's SOP for some outlets.

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

Maverick said:
Oh, that's why some of these truck stops have beautiful fauna and lawns. That esplains it Lucy.

Anything to pass the time on a Friday night...

Here ya go! One man's crap is another man's electricity.

Harnessing The Hidden Power of Cow Manure | QUEST

Create Electricity from Manure with a Methane Digester -Renewable Energy - MOTHER EARTH NEWS

Just imagine IF we could harness ALL of the "crap" that congress puts out each year! We would have MORE than enough electricity than we would know what to do with!

One should NEVER try to "FART" me off! LOL!!!

http://www.lancasterfarming.com/Cow-Power-Turns-Manure-Into-Electricity-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5vV_K4533A

This subject is a REAL GAS!! (Dang gum I am in RARE form tonight!)

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/19/4747532/scientists-use-poop-to-generate-electricity

Even Mad Magazine knows the "Power of Gas"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J-LvMxKvFY

aristotle · Jan 18, 2014

davekc said:
Once again the government is out to destroy an industry without even thinking.
If they want to dismantle the coal industry, would it not make sense to say move and train these people in the natural gas industry before wiping out the mining industry?
Ok, no. That might make sense.
Nope, we just lay them off and then wonder where all the jobs went. I would submit that the ones that complain about say, maybe Walmart for example is small by comparison. I would say the government is the biggest job killer of them all.
Here is just another example.

'Not looking good': Coal workers see future dim amid regulation burden | Fox News

People will be delighted when their electric bills start going through the roof because we have to use high price alternatives. Another one where the poor will get hit the hardest.
Oops, wait a minute, maybe not. They will likely get subsidies.

It grieves me to no end what the Obama administration is doing to the coal industry. Prior to Obama's ascension to the presidency, Appalachian coal was still the fuel that propelled cheap electricity for American industry and households. Hating coal is like hating vegetables because they're grown in the dirt.

The coal industry of Appalachia has been competing with natural gas and oil for many, many decades. Our domestic coal reserves are massive and will continue to be mined because worldwide demand for coal will only increase. My younger brother is a manager at a coal processing plant in Pike County, Kentucky. He tells me that much of the coal currently mined in Appalachia is being shipped to China, Europe and South America.

The coal industry will adapt. Still, the loss of 6,000 coal mining jobs in Eastern Kentucky paying an average of $70,000 yearly translates to $420,000,000 in annual wages lost. Half a billion dollars in annual wages gone from the local economy. It's a staggering blow to Central Appalachia which is sure to enshrine Barack Hussein Obama's name just below Lucifer.

OntarioVanMan · Jan 18, 2014

How in Sams Bells does the greatest power in the world come up short on "Power"?....it behooves me to no end....why did you stop with the nuke power?...because of 3 Mile Island?....a knee jerk reaction?....Like Canada we should be producing more then we need WITHOUT coal...

layoutshooter · Jan 18, 2014

OntarioVanMan said:
How in Sams Bells does the greatest power in the world come up short on "Power"?....it behooves me to no end....why did you stop with the nuke power?...because of 3 Mile Island?....a knee jerk reaction?....Like Canada we should be producing more then we need WITHOUT coal...

We stopped because we are run by nut cases.

aristotle · Jan 18, 2014

OntarioVanMan said:
Coal is dirty...the technology to clean it up is out there but still needs improvement...acid rain very much exists because of it....I've seen first hand the damage to our forests downwind in Eastern Ontario...

ENOUGH of this Canadian conspiracy to attach acid rain to coal. This so-called acid rain is actually bird urine falling from the sky as migratory birds flee harsh Canadian winters.

OntarioVanMan · Jan 18, 2014

aristotle said:
ENOUGH of this Canadian conspiracy to attach acid rain to coal. This so-called acid rain is actually bird urine falling from the sky as migratory birds flee harsh Canadian winters.

LOL...funny guy....acid rain is real tho....when you see the damage downwind from at least 3 of the biggest coal burners in Ontario did....before they were closed down and the recovery now of the forest....Mother Nature can heal herself from our destruction....

OntarioVanMan · Jan 18, 2014

that said...Ontario Power has invested a couple billion dollars into new technology to try and re open them....

Moot · Jan 18, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Tho the cost of solar is coming down, it's still high. And you need quite a few of those smaller panels to power a house.

You also need batteries to store the electricity. Storage batteries are made up of lead plates. Lead lives in the ground, which requires mining and then smelting. The Greenies think solar power is magic and comes free with no environmental consequences attached.

OntarioVanMan · Jan 18, 2014

Moot said:
You also need batteries to store the electricity. Storage batteries are made up of lead plates. Lead lives in the ground, which requires mining and then smelting. The Greenies think solar power is magic and comes free with no environmental consequences attached.

it does not suit the cause to think that far....