Debris Removal Charge?? Permission From Dispatch??

fastrod

Expert Expediter
There are way too many drivers and too few contractors in this industry! YOU MUST BE JUST A DRIVER.

Actually I own a van and have my own authority so that would make me a carrier. I decide what services I will offer and I set the rates I charge for these services.
As far as the nurse and the pallet I would dispose of it for her free of charge and I would be the one making the decision to do so. You, on the other hand, would have to call the dispatch section of your carrier to ask PERMISSION to dispose of the pallet and have them tell you what you will be paid to do so.
 

ccrider

Seasoned Expediter
Actually I own a van and have my own authority so that would make me a carrier. I decide what services I will offer and I set the rates I charge for these services.
As far as the nurse and the pallet I would dispose of it for her free of charge and I would be the one making the decision to do so. You, on the other hand, would have to call the dispatch section of your carrier to ask PERMISSION to dispose of the pallet and have them tell you what you will be paid to do so.

Are you simple???

I can dispose a pallet anytime, anywhere, for anyone I chose.
That is germane to being an independent contractor.
We are still back to the real question:

Why would you do this free of charge?
What will your investment of this service net you?
What equation do you use to determine the gain?
How do you track your equity from the nurse, to the administration office, back to your business?

I know the answer already. You don't know the answers.
You do this because you get warm and fuzzy feeling about doing something nice for a customer. That's fine.
You can retire from this industry with your warm and fuzzy feelings.
I'll retire with my cash.
 

zero3nine

Veteran Expediter
Dude.... ccrider... do you always cry this much? When do you have time to make deliveries, between rants?

fired at you from my Droideka
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Let's keep it polite everyone. As far as calling in to ask "permission" goes, and since I've been with carriers one would call I have my interpretation, it isn't asking "permission" to dispose of the pallet. That isn't required. It's my truck and I can do whatever I choose. The call is only to secure "payment". Now, in the grand scheme of things, is that payment going to make a noticeable difference? Not really. Yes, it will buy a nice steak dinner without dipping into the wallet for other monies but that's about all it will do. If this situation came up a few times a month rather than maybe once a year then I might get motivated to get as many payments as I could. As it stands, we're back to whether it's a male nurse or a female nurse.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Dude.... ccrider... do you always cry this much? When do you have time to make deliveries, between rants?

The man has just 39 posts compared to your 293 and to thousands of posts by some who frequent the Open Forum and somehow manage to succeed in the business. He's not exactly putting more miles on his mouse pointer than he is on his rig.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
As it stands, we're back to whether it's a male nurse or a female nurse.

Sigh... I have mentioned in several posts in this thread that the person in question was NOT A NURSE. She (female) was the director of a research project.

Not to open another aspect (can of worms) of this event -- oh well, why not. OK then, to open another aspect of this event, offering a courtesy removal of two pallets for a female when you would not do so for a male opens you to charges of sexism and antiquated thinking.

I'm an equal opportunity business person and will charge for the debris removal service no matter what the gender or cross-gender may be.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
We don't speak the same language. You use words and phrases out of context to their accepted meanings in business.

Customer service is not the same as the service/product we offer.. It is how we handle the selling. Removing a pallet falls under what we get paid for or the product/service we offer while pleasantly describing the services we offer and explaining their value is what "customer service" is.

See, here's the thing. We don't do favors. A favor that "gives away billable services free of charge" leads to going out of business. This is when your competition gets ahead.

This is what gets me.........

The majority of Expeditors out there was probably an hourly delivery driver at one time or another before they made the next step into the business owner realm to make more money as an independant contractor. Not all, but probably the majority. (Phil for example never worked at an $8 hour job learning the ins and outs of "common" delivery driver practices for a company)

I am quite sure those same drivers have hauled off many a pallet for customers without having the knowledge that "Hey, some day I may actually make a iittle extra money doing this in the future."

Now let's get back to that "Nurse" I mentioned in the OP. Sure, she turned out not to be a nurse, but the head of the research department that was accepting Phils delivery. Let's also say that this same woman happens to get 7 deliveries a week for her department. 6 of those deliveries for that week are made by regular hourly delivery drivers that provide common courteous customer service by attending to all that customers service needs, IE - hauling away the pallets and anything else they are asked to haul away, and without any hesitation from said delivery driver.

Now comes along a uniformed delivery driver wearing a uniform that she recognizes. She doesn't know that that uniformed driver from a company she's probably accepted dozens of deliveries from is a "business owner" within the company and works under a different set of rules, regulations, income opportunities, etc, than that other uniformed driver she just had deliver an overnight envelope that contained research papers she was waiting on. Or that other uniformed driver that drives for FedEx "Freight" that delivered 2 pallets of research supplies 2 days ago who hauled away the leftover debris (pallets-shrinkwrap-whatever) after load was checked in there in the same room.

Now the other "delivery drivers" from other companies she had the rest of the week met and satisfied all her requests also. Out of all those "delivery drivers" for that week, which one do you think she is going to remember the most if she actually sat down and took the time to think about all 7 deliveries that week? My bet it will be Phil. Why, because Phil was the only driver that said "Sure, I'll haul that pallet away for you, but first I have to get approval so that we can charge extra money to do it."

Now, in my mind, if I were in her shoes, and had probably never heard of such a thing before, I might think "what kind of customer service is that??? Wanting to charge a fee to take that pallet with him??" Remember, she probably didn't know Phil was a "Business Owner" trying to squeeze every dime he could from every delivery he can, but just looked at him for what he actually was standing there in her research room, and that was a "delivery driver."

From what I gather here, and from some of the responses given, Yes, FDCC WG has indoctrined their drivers with so many little extra fees that they can earn to boost their income opportunities that some drivers have thrown common courtesy, as well as common sense, out the door when it comes to basic customer service for the sake of the all-mighty dollar.



There are way too many drivers and too few contractors in this industry! YOU MUST BE JUST A DRIVER.

Stay with me now. This may be a bit over your collective heads and I usually collect a consultant fee for what I am about to disclose unless I place this in the "rhetorical" category.

SOMEONE HAS TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE DECISION MAKER AT THE CUSTOMER SIDE!!!! THE NURSE SURE ISN'T GOING TO AUTHORIZE IT. IF YOU THINK SHE CAN, THAN YOU ARE REALLY OUT OF TOUCH.

ANY OF US CAN DECIDE TO GIVE AWAY OUR SWEAT FREE TO ANYONE ANYWHERE ANYTIME. THE QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU FREAKING DO THAT???

I DON'T CARE IF YOUR MISTER fREAKING fED-ups OR NOT!!

MAYBE THIS ILLUSTRATION WOULD HELP.

You are at the dock of a hospital and the nurse asked you to take away and toss out the pallet, "so she won't have to".

(This is where we have our break in logic)

You think that this is a fair and reasonable request from the nurse. You think that it is fair and reasonable because you are a professional and this is exactly the type of thing you do professionally. What's it going to hurt to go ahead and take away the pallet, so she won't have too?

(ok, now it gets fun)

She too, (the nurse) is a professional. We are are both professionals standing there at the dock.

What if you said to her, "I'd be happy to take away that pallet, so you won't have too", "and oh by the way", "as a driver I soil my pants quite often while on the road" Would you mind cleaning up my rear-end for me, so I won't have too?"

In your world, this would be a perfectly reasonable request (and perhaps a necessary one) applying your logic to this new situation.

After all, she is a professional and you haven't asked her to do anything she wouldn't normally do in the course of her job as a nurse. She should be eager to clean up your rear end just for the practice alone! And besides, the hospital would not mind since most hospitals don't charge to wipe your arse anyway.

This is just good customer service on her part. And think of the equity the hospital will gain in the community! Why, when I get sick, I'll go there instead of the other hospital. Maybe she'll even give me a calender! And she is clearly a great nurse too!

Has this illustration helped you any?
I hope so.

It doesn't matter what any of you give away free. It is your choice. You don't have to justify it to anyone but yourself.
Just don't be whining about how professionals do the job.

If you give it away, you, by definition, ARE NOT A PROFESSIONAL.

You can keep pretending you are, but the we all know the truth (some here just are too polite to say the truth).

This has got to be one of the most IGNORANT posts made on this board for quite some time now.

Not even worth replying to and hope others don't even bother commenting on it either.
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
So Brisco

Where would you suggest a White Glove driver take that skid to for free? He's probably not going to another dock, he cant show up at next pickup with said debris.

He should have stopped at the next truck stop for an hour hollerin "who'll buy my genuine wood skid"?

Drop it behind the walmart?

Surface bumps docks.... so can sometimes get rid of stuff. WG... not so much.

Most of the people responding to this thread have never been around a White Glove pickup or del. I have been called in for several. Some of these guys look like a basketball court back there its so clean!

Again .. regular surface expedite will have more opps to "dispose" of the trash. I doubt anyone who took away trash was headed directly to a Museum, Lab, or Gov load where they inspect your truck before loading. (yes. I've seen guys with clipboards who have a checklist.)

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The difference is, the guy doing a local delivery route goes back to the terminal when he's done. If he is providing disposal services he can do it there. If I'm in an unfamiliar city and I'm asked to do this, I would ask where the dumpster is at the consignee and take care of it there, no charge. Not that big a deal. Taking it with me is different. It's now a project to find a place to legally dispose of it. Compensation is not unreasonable.

Also, Phil mentioned he had to get to his next pick-up. That's certainly an issue. You make them wait? We're just a different critter than delivery drivers.
 

ccrider

Seasoned Expediter
This has got to be one of the most IGNORANT posts made on this board for quite some time now.

Not even worth replying to and hope others don't even bother commenting on it either.

This is what gets me....

ignorant idiots who "reply" to a post... and then suggest it is not worth replying to.

Thanks for the reply! :)
 

ccrider

Seasoned Expediter
What the Hell is this???

Reading over the "Blog" today, I saw where Phil had a delivery to a hospital. Delivery was loaded onto truck via a pallet. At delivery point, pallet had to be broken down and carted in by a 2 wheeler. Nurse, a woman, at delivery point asked if driver, Phil, could tote away the pallet so that "SHE" would have not have to. (I've never seen a woman nurse carting a PALLET out to a dumpster in my life before, have any of you??) Phil said he would have to call dispatch for permission and to have a "debris removal charge" approved. Nurse basically said......NEVERMIND.:rolleyes:

Again, what the hell is this???? Is FDCC that anal when it comes to simply leaving a pallet in the truck for a customer and having the driver just dump it off at a dumpster or at the next pickup location???

I've probably made dozens and dozens of deliveries over the years that started out "Palletized" and that had to be broken down at the delivery point. Yes, even at Hospitals. I've hauled away many many pallets at customers request without even thinking twice about it. Just thought of it as a courteous good customer service gesture, like when I delivered 16 cases of paper to a bank one time. It was loaded on my truck by pallet and hand carted inside. I would've never just leaned that pallet outside the bank and drove off. Or, back 20 plus years ago fresh out of the military when I drove a truck for my best friends Father where I would deliver 1-200+ cases of toilet paper to the largest Hospital in Lubbock. I would lug the pallets around with the jack, stock all the locations that needed stocking, put the pallets back on my truck and go on.

So, is FDCC really that finicky with what is on those trucks at all times. Would've anybody else stood there in front of a Nurse and said to them, "I need to call dispatch to get permission for a debris removal charge" before I tote off that 1 pallet for you"??? Or was this just a call the driver himself decided to make??? Me, I would've hauled that pallet away, against FDCC rules or not. Know what I mean.

This has got to be one of the most ignorant posts I have read.
Has this guy been in our industry long?
This is the kind of trucker that gives trucking a bad name.
Leaving trash pallets off on 3rd party docks???
Using someone elses dumpster without paying???
Are you nucking futs???

This is an insane post.
 

fastrod

Expert Expediter
This is what gets me....

ignorant idiots who "reply" to a post... and then suggest it is not worth replying to.

Thanks for the reply! :)

The post he was replying to was a different post than the one he called ignorant. Now who is the idiot?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
ccrider wrote:

Has this guy been in our industry long?

I think, but not 100% for sure..but from another pot, Brisco is NOT in the Expedite industry.....

And for what it is worth, i think calling a post "ignorant", is a reply....maybe its just me, but to not reply would be to not say or post anything about a post or statement....
 
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I think, but not 100% for sure..but from another pot, Brisco is NOT in the Expedite industry.....
It's called being an "armchair expediter". Armchair expediters are the ones who think most, not all, but the majority of expediters were employed at one time or another as hourly delivery drivers. Which is not only wrong, but funny wrong.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
So Brisco

Where would you suggest a White Glove driver take that skid to for free? He's probably not going to another dock, he cant show up at next pickup with said debris.

Again .. regular surface expedite will have more opps to "dispose" of the trash. I doubt anyone who took away trash was headed directly to a Museum, Lab, or Gov load where they inspect your truck before loading. (yes. I've seen guys with clipboards who have a checklist.)

Honestly, don't have an answer for that.

But, I am quite sure there is an area for such a disposal of pallets sitting right outside the main delivery dock that any driver, not just Phil, could have dropped said pallet(s) off at on the way to his next stop. And, without being questioned about it either. The little extra time it would take to do this, Unknown. But, I can say it would've taken no more than 5-10 minutes at most.

I just find it odd that a driver had a "palletized" load on his truck that needed to get broke down for an inside delivery, and said driver broke down the pallet in the truck, loaded the item itself onto a cart. THEN put said pallet(s) onto the cart also, and made the inside delivery having to go through an obstacle course with both item and pallet(s) on cart to get delivery done.

Now, did said driver have $$$ on his mind when putting that broken down delivery (item & pallet(s)) onto that cart while making that delivery knowing he might make extra $$$ if customer asks him to take those/that pallet back out?? Again, don't know. With what has been covered here in these 10 pages of replies so far with concerns to FDCC and the extra fees they charge, I'm betting that there's drivers out there who WOULD do just this knowing there would be extra $$$ added to the ticket. But, IMO, most drivers with true "customer service" and common sense on their mind would've just left the pallet(s) on the truck, got the delivery done, drove around to the back loading/unloading area, found the place where this stuff is left at (believe me, there IS an area just for this at just about EVERY Hospital out there), dropped pallet(s) off real quick, and gone on to the next stop.

Now that name calling is taking place, I'm pretty much done with this conversation. I've learned what I needed to learn with this issue and still have the highest respect for the person/TEAM that caused me start this thread in the first place.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Let's pretend that when I made that delivery to that hospital I scraped the back of my hand on a door and got a bleeding cut when moving the cart through.

If I asked someone who had the power to provide it for the simple favor of giving me a band-aid, do you think I would have received one free of charge?
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
It's called being an "armchair expediter". Armchair expediters are the ones who think most, not all, but the majority of expediters were employed at one time or another as hourly delivery drivers. Which is not only wrong, but funny wrong.

It's well known around here that Yes, I am an "armchair expediter".

But, my years of OTR experience as an IOO, and what, 600-700K PLUS miles, should at least allow me to participate here, right??

BTW T, Good Call on calling me out like that. Started a POLL in your Honor.

You're Welcome...............:D.......
 
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