"Clock" maker invited to White House

[Turtle]

There's sufficient evidence to convict them of being imbeciles, idiots and morons, though. School officials have a pretty good read on the students, as in: troublemakers, geeks, jokers, etc. This kid was not known for being a troublemaker or a joker, but he was known for being an electronics whiz geek.

To be fair, he's in 9th grade, at the beginning of the school year. School officials at the high school are unlikely to be familiar with very many incoming freshman at all. Having said that, even assuming they didn't know the first thing about him and didn't bother to consult his middle school records, they are still guilty as charged.

 

[aristotle]

The way I heard it explained today, young Ahmed took an off the shelf radio... took it out of its housing, placed the guts inside a briefcase and presented it as a clock. Wouldn't it just as easy to use an electronic oscillator, set the sine wave impulses at 60 beats per minute and call it a time piece?

 

[cheri1122]

The way I heard it explained today, young Ahmed took an off the shelf radio... took it out of its housing, placed the guts inside a briefcase and presented it as a clock. Wouldn't it just as easy to use an electronic oscillator, set the sine wave impulses at 60 beats per minute and call it a time piece?

Maybe. But who says 'easy' was what he intended it to be?
The cool thing about inventing is that there's so many different ways to achieve the same result. For example: lacking screens for the truck windows, I bought a mesh popup laundry hamper, cut the sides apart, and they work [almost] perfectly. Plus, they fold into neat little circles, which screens can't do, so I think I like them better.
Using one's head for more than a hatrack is a trait I'd like to see schools encourage, myself.

 

[aristotle]

Maybe. But who says 'easy' was what he intended it to be?
The cool thing about inventing is that there's so many different ways to achieve the same result. For example: lacking screens for the truck windows, I bought a mesh popup laundry hamper, cut the sides apart, and they work [almost] perfectly. Plus, they fold into neat little circles, which screens can't do, so I think I like them better.
Using one's head for more than a hatrack is a trait I'd like to see schools encourage, myself.

Are you suggesting Ahmed invented something?

 

[cheri1122]

Are you suggesting Ahmed invented something?

If he didn't, he did what inventors do: used known things to create something previously unknown. At least, I assume a clock in a pencil case has not been done before.
At any rate, the creative impulse is something we should encourage and reward [if only with applause], IMO.

 

[Turtle]

Are you suggesting Ahmed invented something?

Clearly, he invented either the world's smallest functional briefcase, or the world's largest electrical plug. Take yer pick.

 

[RLENT]

The way I heard it explained today, young Ahmed took an off the shelf radio... took it out of its housing, placed the guts inside a briefcase and presented it as a clock.

Undoubtedly reported by someone who was actually there and personally observed what young Ahmed actually did.

Oh ... wait ...

As long as we're dealing with pure speculation, might as well throw this possibility into the mix:

Young Ahmed found a non-functioning clock with a broken/smashed case. After extracting the internal components, he did a little diagnosis to locate the damaged parts, and then did a board-level repair to restore functionality.

Excited by his success, he then took his "invention" and mounted it in a pencil case, so that he could show off his technical chops ...

 

[muttly]

I most certainly did not. Not in this thread or in any other thread have I concluded such nonsense. In my first reply on this subject I concluded the teachers were asses with no common sense, and concluded the police merely had no common sense. I have not wavered from those conclusions except for the use of various and sundry synonyms for "asses with no common sense" such as imbecile, moron, and idiot.

It should be noted, I guess, that your response to refute my initial conclusions of 'asses with no common sense' was, "It was a homemade clock in a briefcase."

To date, I have not heard, seen nor read anything to alter my original conclusions about the teachers at that school and police of Irving, Texas.

Turtle wrote: 'The only other factor in all of the is, as RLENT put it, MOOSLIM'

A lot of the information about this case is still under wrap, due to his parents not signing to release the information from Ahmed's juvenile records.

 

[LDB]

There are reports his sister was involved in a bomb threat 3-4 years ago. I don't know that they are confirmed or refuted yet but it could become an interesting tangent.

 

[RLENT]

Turtle wrote: 'The only other factor in all of the is, as RLENT put it, MOOSLIM'

Meaning that there were multiple factors present.

A lot of the information about this case is still under wrap, due to his parents not signing to release the information from Ahmed's juvenile records.

Interesting choice of words ... a cynic might think that they were chosen ... to serve an agenda.

Did you really mean to say his school records ?

Or were you trying to imply that he actually has a (previous) juvenile (criminal) record ?

Maybe just offering a stoopid ... for our continued viewing pleasure ?

No need to reply to any of the questions above ... they were rhetorical.

 

[RLENT]

I think refuted is the word you are looking for ...

But nonetheless I appreciate the irony.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[LDB]

Yes, too rushed earlier.

 

[scottm4211]

The way I heard it explained today, young Ahmed took an off the shelf radio... took it out of its housing, placed the guts inside a briefcase and presented it as a clock. Wouldn't it just as easy to use an electronic oscillator, set the sine wave impulses at 60 beats per minute and call it a time piece?

How you gonna get chicks that way?

 

[Turtle]

You did conclude that because the kid ended up suspended ( by his school) it was because of being a Muslim.

I most certainly did not. Not in this thread or in any other thread have I concluded such nonsense.

Turtle wrote: 'The only other factor in all of the is, as RLENT put it, MOOSLIM'

I know you oooohhhh, soooo baaaadly want to catch me in a gotcha, but this is just another example of that pesky stealth illiteracy kicking in, preventing functional reading comprehension. That astonishingly wrong conclusion has already been covered here where I explained in English so plain that even am islamophobic conservative caveman can understand it, that "My comment that "the only other factor in all this" was in the context of directly responding to the Food for Thought" article that you [Pilgrim] posted. My position in this thread has been very consistent, namely that this was an overreaction due to moronic idiocy by imbeciles all around."

A lot of the information about this case is still under wrap, due to his parents not signing to release the information from Ahmed's juvenile records.

RLENT beat me to it. He posits that someone cynical might think the choice of "juvenile records" as oppose to "school records of the incident" was done intentionally to serve an agenda (that agenda almost certainly being to try and demonize the kid as much as possible, which we've seen no lack thereof from many conservative circles). But I'm less cynical and I think it was chosen for a reason far less intelligent. Or perhaps I'm even more cynical. I dunno. In any case, Ahmad's father said early on that he would give the school permission to release the records of the incident, but the school rejected that offer stating, quite correctly, the permission had to be in writing. Before he could do that he was quickly advised by legal counsel to not give permission to have the records released. A possible pending lawsuit would certainly be one of the reasons to not give permission to have them released. We don't know what's in the records, other than we know for sure that school officials presented the device to the police (on the initial call to the police and physically at the school) as "a potentially explosive device" despite knowing that it wasn't.

 

[muttly]

I know you oooohhhh, soooo baaaadly want to catch me in a gotcha, but this is just another example of that pesky stealth illiteracy kicking in, preventing functional reading comprehension. That astonishingly wrong conclusion has already been covered here where I explained in English so plain that even am islamophobic conservative caveman can understand it, that "My comment that "the only other factor in all this" was in the context of directly responding to the Food for Thought" article that you [Pilgrim] posted. My position in this thread has been very consistent, namely that this was an overreaction due to moronic idiocy by imbeciles all around."

RLENT beat me to it. He posits that someone cynical might think the choice of "juvenile records" as oppose to "school records of the incident" was done intentionally to serve an agenda (that agenda almost certainly being to try and demonize the kid as much as possible, which we've seen no lack thereof from many conservative circles). But I'm less cynical and I think it was chosen for a reason far less intelligent. Or perhaps I'm even more cynical. I dunno. In any case, Ahmad's father said early on that he would give the school permission to release the records of the incident, but the school rejected that offer stating, quite correctly, the permission had to be in writing. Before he could do that he was quickly advised by legal counsel to not give permission to have the records released. A possible pending lawsuit would certainly be one of the reasons to not give permission to have them released. We don't know what's in the records, other than we know for sure that school officials presented the device to the police (on the initial call to the police and physically at the school) as "a potentially explosive device" despite knowing that it wasn't.

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The only other 'factor' that only an Islamaphobe alarmist would make.
The activist father should be stand up guy and sign the paper if he has nothing to hide.

 

[muttly]

There are reports his sister was involved in a bomb threat 3-4 years ago. I don't know that they are confirmed or refuted yet but it could become an interesting tangent.

Probably just a coincidence.

 

[muttly]

Meaning that there were multiple factors present.


Interesting choice of words ... a cynic might think that they were chosen ... to serve an agenda.

Did you really mean to say his school records ?

Or were you trying to imply that he actually has a (previous) juvenile (criminal) record ?

Maybe just offering a stoopid ... for our continued viewing pleasure ?

No need to reply to any of the questions above ... they were rhetorical.

Lol. All the other 'factors' are things that have happened multiple times previously. It's happened to many non muslim kids, white, black. etc. So the reaction by school officials and police as the only other factor, happens to be no factor at all. Do you have evidence of the teacher that reported him, of hating Muslims? Yes or no?

 

[Turtle]

The only other 'factor' that only an Islamaphobe alarmist would make.

Like I said, draw your own conclusions from that.

The activist father should be stand up guy and sign the paper if he has nothing to hide.

If he has nothing to hide? Seriously? He's not obligated in any way to authorize the releases of his minor child's school records to the public. The fact that he hasn't authorized the release of the records in only an issue to the right wingnut islamophobes, because they want to see what he's hiding, and if he doesn't have anything to hide then he should have no problem in releasing them. All you have to do is look at the agenda driven wackos who are making it an issue - the mayor of Irving - world famous for being an islamophobe, Pamela Geller - cosmically famous for it, Brietbart, Townhall, The Federalist, Hot Air, WND, Heritage Foundation, IJ Review, Fox News, Drudge,TPNN, Young Conservatives, Daily Caller, Daily Signal, NewsBusters, Western Center for Journalism, CNS,, Mr Conservative, Jihad Watch, Patriot Update (the list is too long), and a plethora of Internet wackos, it's a list of who's who of wingnuts. And it looks like you're one of them.

 

[Turtle]

So the reaction by school officials and police as the only other factor, happens to be no factor at all. Do you have evidence of the teacher that reported him, of hating Muslims? Yes or no?

How do you go from multiple school officials and police in one sentence, to a single teacher you don't even know they name of in the next, and use that to form a question? It's not even a valid question since we don't know the name of the teacher. If the question is do we have any evidence that the school officials who reported him are islamophobic, the answer is yes. If only they hadn't gone and suspended him anyway, after knowing it wasn't a bomb and it wasn't a hoax bomb, they could still have tons of wiggle room to say they aren't islamophobic. But the act of suspending him, for doing nothing wrong, and admitting that he did nothing wrong, can only point to islamophibia. The actions of the school alone is enough evidence to convict, but then add in the actions of the police, the praise of the mayor, the comments made by the police chief, and it's a slam dunk.

In addition, led by the mayor, city officials, including the school and the district, have a history of knee-jerk islamophobia. The school district and its board reacted to an agenda-driven chain e-mail that warned of the horrors of Islam, Muslims, and the fact that Isamic principles would be taught in the schools as they have been stealthily inserted into the curriculum and textbooks of the schools. They had 5 months worth of meetings on it, and it turned out that the e-mail was just a hoax by some right wingnut islamophobe with ties to Pamela Geller. Officials at the high school this past summer wanted to insert into the Code of Conduct a prohibition on all headgear (in addition to the not-hats rule already in place), including religious headgear, because they found it too distracting to effectively teach. The only people in the school who wear religious headgear are Muslim girls. But even the school board nixed that one.

The mayor was quick to defend the school, as it turns out before she had even talked with anyone at the school. She also got on Facebook and in a post dripping with islamophobia she praised the school for their heroic efforts in keeping everyone safe. When the backlash hit, and after she had talked to school officials, she edited that out with an entirely new paragraph that completely reversed the original and praised the kid.

So yes, there is plenty of evidence, none of it conjecture. On the other hand, there is zero evidence, none whatsoever, that this was a "set up" by the father, but that's exactly what the wingnuts are trying to prove. Because they want and need it to be true. The agenda depends on it. Well, at least until they are unable to do so, then they'll move on to the next thing. On the upside for the wingnuts, more and more Muslims are coming here to live, so they'll have plenty of opportunities to make stuff up.

 

[muttly]

The fact that they suspended him points to Islamaphobia.? HA! Do you know how many non Muslims have been suspended for far less threatening looking things like pop tart guns and cut out paper guns and other objects? The English teacher was the only teacher who summoned school officials who ultimately notified the police. So the answer is no. You don't have any evidence that she is an Islamaphobe. You don't have any evidence that other school officials are either. As well as the Police Dept. that investigated the incident. The Mayor had nothing to do with the English teacher contacting school officials or with the Police in their investigation. Why you would throw the Mayor's opinion into this when she had nothing to do with it, is just throwing a red herring into the argument. It's one grand Islamaphobic conspiracy you got going there though. Big whoop. So they looked into an anonymous chain letter. They would be derelict if they didn't investigate bizarre anonymous e-mails. Sounds like you're using the talking points from the far left Slate article. You should at least linked to it for your source if you're going to parrot them like a far left wackadoodle Islamaphobe Alarmist.