"Clock" maker invited to White House

[Turtle]

You don't know that is fake quote.

Yes I do.

It said right in the story that she TOLD Brietbart.

No it doesn't.

Journalists often don't describe that it was an interview by phone

Journalist virtually always describe how they got the information, especially if it is by phone or email

but that is the way it's most often done for logistical reasons. (Journalism 101)

You don't know what you're talking about. That's not why it's most often done, nor is that how it's most often done. And it's not part of Journalism 101 or any other journalism course that you've never taken.

It was only a comment from Weaver because that was all she could comment on due to restrictions on what could be said about the case.

Knowing that she couldn't comment on it is why they never bothered to contact her in the first place.

The sister comparison is an flailing attempt at rationalizing the difference between the two quotes.

No, it's a factual way of pointing out the disturbing differences between how they quote someone when they have actual words to quote, and how they quote someone when they don't.

That was all that Weaver said.

She never said any of it.

Isn't it curious she hasn't said that she was misquoted OR THAT A FAKE QUOTE WAS ATTRIBUTED TO HER?

Not even a little bit. She likely couldn't care less. If she was misquoted or a fake quote was attributed to her on a real news site, then she might say something. But on a news Blog where she wasn't defamed, she has little reason or motivation to hold a press conference, or even make a Facebook post in order to point out shoddy journalism and complete failure to follow the Ethics and Standards of Journalism.

She has not disputed the quote. So until she does so, it is nothing more by you than a desperate attempt to mislead.

That's one of the most ignorant and retarded rationalizations I've ever seen someone put forth. Were you dropped from a great height on your head as a child?

Throwing in the heckling of Obama by you was a nice touch. You couldn't resist, could you?

It's one of the few things I admire about him.

 

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Yes I do.
No it doesn't. Journalist virtually always describe how they got the information, especially if it is by phone or email

You don't know what you're talking about. That's not why it's most often done, nor is that how it's most often done. And it's not part of Journalism 101 or any other journalism course that you've never taken. Knowing that she couldn't comment on it is why they never bothered to contact her in the first place. No, it's a factual way of pointing out the disturbing differences between how they quote someone when they have actual words to quote, and how they quote someone when they don't. She never said any of it. Not even a little bit. She likely couldn't care less. If she was misquoted or a fake quote was attributed to her on a real news site, then she might say something. But on a news Blog where she wasn't defamed, she has little reason or motivation to hold a press conference, or even make a Facebook post in order to point out shoddy journalism and complete failure to follow the Ethics and Standards of Journalism.That's one of the most ignorant and retarded rationalizations I've ever seen someone put forth. Were you dropped from a great height on your head as a child?It's one of the few things I admire about him.

I see what your major malfunction is regarding all of this. You are jumping to conclusions. You need one of those 'jump to conclusions mats' to help you out.(see below)
Your 'jump to conclusions' error number one is that you looked at this story by Breitbart, (written by Neil Munro) and jumped to the conclusion that because he didn't mention that he spoke to her in one specific article, that Brietbart just made up the quote that they put in the article.
But lookie here.>>>>> An article from same day as the other one clearly says the following:
Article excerpt below:
The school has sent a copy of the document to the parents, but they won’t sign it, she told Breitbart. “I wish we could…. provide more information to the media,” said Weaver, whose school district and local police force are now facing worldwide claims that they unfairly targeted the boy because of his Islamic background.

So she did tell Breitbart. It's right in the article.
The 'smoking gun' evidence is in the other Brietbart article, by Neil Munro. It's right there--She told Breitbart.

Another 'jump to conclusion' by you is claiming Bretbart knew Weaver wouldn't comment on their story, so they made up a quote. Since I have dispelled your wrong conclusion it's a moot point.In the other article, it specifically says she told Breitbart. It is a good journalistic practice though to seek comment from someone even if they think they won't comment. They are at least on record for asking even if there is a no comment. But occasionally the person might comment anyway. Journalism 101. Journalists routinely use methods like calling on the phone, email, etc. to contact people for a comment. It's journalism 101 to contact the person and ask for a response, which Breitbart did.

Ahmed's Parents Still Won't Sign Waiver Allowing School to Share Their Side of Story

 

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Turtle's 'jump to conclusions' in this thread have been a lot like this:

 

[Turtle]

I see what your major malfunction is regarding all of this.

Coming from someone who thinks Brietbart is a trusted source of news, that statement really doesn't carry much weight.

You are jumping to conclusions.

Jumping? No. It's a very deliberate process used to reach conclusions.

Your 'jump to conclusions' error number one is that you looked at this story by Breitbart, (written by Neil Munro) and jumped to the conclusion that because he didn't mention that he spoke to her in one specific article, that Brietbart just made up the quote that they put in the article.

You have ASSUMED that that's what I did, and then jumped to your own conclusion, and isn't that funny, But no, I did not jump to a conclusion based on just the one article.

But lookie here.>>>>> An article from same day as the other one clearly says the following:

Oh, I saw it, as well as a few others.

The school has sent a copy of the document to the parents, but they won’t sign it, she told Breitbart. “I wish we could…. provide more information to the media,” said Weaver, whose school district and local police force are now facing worldwide claims that they unfairly targeted the boy because of his Islamic background.

They made that up, too. Every bit of it. Same condensed quote and didn't bother to quote what she said about the "copy of the document." The first clue is "but they won't sign it" which is something she's not even allowed to say. She's not allowed to confirm one way or the other if the release form was even sent, much less whether or not they have signed it. In addition, Brietbart keeps claiming the school sent a copy of the entire legislation for the parents to sign.

So she did tell Breitbart. It's right in the article.
The 'smoking gun' evidence is in the other Brietbart article, by Neil Munro. It's right there--She told Breitbart.

Yes, we've already established that you believe Brietbart is an honest, trusted source of news, and you've further demonstrated that you believe Neil Munro, famous for fabricating quotes, wouldn't fabricate a quote. Ironically, the "smoking gun" that shows the "she told Brietbart" is in the first article, but you can't see that.

It is a good journalistic practice though to seek comment from someone even if they think they won't comment. They are at least on record for asking even if there is a no comment. But occasionally the person might comment anyway. Journalism 101.

You really and truly don't have a friggin' clue WTF you're talking about.

I'm going to ask, even though I know you won't answer, and it's obvious what the honest answer would be, but, have you ever taken any journalism classes in college?

It's not "good journalistic" practice to seek comment from someone even if you think they won't comment, UNLESS you are doing investigative journalism and the person you are seeking comment from is a subject of the investigation.

Journalists routinely use methods like calling on the phone, email, etc. to contact people for a comment. It's journalism 101 to contact the person and ask for a response, which Breitbart did.

If I were a religious man I'd be asking the Lord for strength right now, but he's laughing at you, too.

 

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Coming from someone who thinks Brietbart is a trusted source of news, that statement really doesn't carry much weight. Jumping? No. It's a very deliberate process used to reach conclusions. You have ASSUMED that that's what I did, and then jumped to your own conclusion, and isn't that funny, But no, I did not jump to a conclusion based on just the one article. Oh, I saw it, as well as a few others. They made that up, too. Every bit of it. Same condensed quote and didn't bother to quote what she said about the "copy of the document." The first clue is "but they won't sign it" which is something she's not even allowed to say. She's not allowed to confirm one way or the other if the release form was even sent, much less whether or not they have signed it. In addition, Brietbart keeps claiming the school sent a copy of the entire legislation for the parents to sign. Yes, we've already established that you believe Brietbart is an honest, trusted source of news, and you've further demonstrated that you believe Neil Munro, famous for fabricating quotes, wouldn't fabricate a quote. Ironically, the "smoking gun" that shows the "she told Brietbart" is in the first article, but you can't see that.

You really and truly don't have a friggin' clue WTF you're talking about.

I'm going to ask, even though I know you won't answer, and it's obvious what they honest answer would be, but, have you ever taken any journalism classes on college?

It's not "good journalistic" practice to seek comment from someone even if you think they won't comment, UNLESS you are doing investigative journalism and the person you are seeking comment from is a subject of the investigation.

If I were a religious man I'd be asking the Lord for strength right now, but he's laughing at you, too.

You don't think it's good journalistic practice to speak to the SPOKESPERSON for the school and get her comment about this? It's embarrassing that you would think so.
She's not allowed to say, yet it's in the article and she hasn't claimed they are mischaracterizing what she said, or that Breitbart misquoted her or that they created a fake quote. It's very easy for her to correct the record. A mere public statement even on facebook or twitter is all that is needed. The liberal news organizations and blogs would love a story to correct Breitbart by having her clear the record on her statement. But she hasn't done so.

 

[Turtle]

She's not allowed to say, yet it's in the article and she hasn't claimed they are mischaracterizing what she said, or that Breitbart misquoted her or that they created a fake quote. It's very easy for her to correct the record. A mere public statement even on facebook or twitter is all that is needed. The liberal news organizations and blogs would love a story to correct Breitbart by having her clear the record on her statement. But she hasn't done so.

Didn't think you'd answer the question. You never do.

What part of the following do you not understand:

"She likely couldn't care less. If she was misquoted or a fake quote was attributed to her on a real news site, then she might say something. But on a news Blog where she wasn't defamed, she has little reason or motivation to hold a press conference, or even make a Facebook post in order to point out shoddy journalism and complete failure to follow the Ethics and Standards of Journalism."

The only person on the planet who cares about it is you, and you only care about it because I pointed out that your Precious isn't as shiny and pretty as you think it is, or as you so desperately need it to be.

Like I said, just show me the full quote. If the full quote doesn't exist, then neither does the condensed quote. If you don't have it, then fire off an e-mail to Munro and I'm sure he'll give you a copy of the telephone recording or his notes. It's Journalism 101.

 

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It's embarrassing that you would think it's not good journalistic practice to seek a statement from the SPOKESPERSON from the school about the story they are writing on.
We will just have to see how this plays out and if she will eventually correct the record.

 

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The only person on the planet that cares about the quote is you. You're the one who had a problem with it, not me,and spent paragraphs complaining about it.

 

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Now you're sounding like a 5 year old. That or seriously unbalanced.

You think Brietbart actually contacted anyone at the school for the story?

If they had, they would have said so. Someone farts in Texas and "Breitbart Texas" gets the reporting credit. Brietbart is very big on tooting it's own horn, and if they had gotten an statement of any kind from Leslie Weaver they absolutely would have said so, in detail. They always do. They'd have said when they got it, and how, and they would have fully quoted the pee out of her. Instead, they have a condensed quote with a big chunk of the middle of her sentence removed.

I wonder what is missing in the middle of her quote? Maybe the full quote was actually, "I wish we could have pizza for lunch, or maybe mac and cheese. Hey, Larry! What's up with the Cowboys linebacker situation? No? I don't, either. They need to call a press conference and provide more information to the media,” said Weaver.

They quoted the sister fully from their sourced article. Why condense the school's spokeswoman's single, solitary one-line quote? They didn't even quote her about mailing the consent form to the "immigrant Sudanese parents," which means they probably made that part up, too. They could have easily quoted her, since, you know, they said "she said." It would have been far easier to just quote her than to paraphrase and summarize what she said. That's journalism 101 stuff.

None of the other news organizations wrote about the story because it's a non-story. Some kid, even Ahmed's sister, getting suspended for 3 days several years ago is only newsworthy to to an islamaophobe. Sorry.

Yeah, uhm, OK.

Wow, you really and truly believe that, don't you? What they did was look at the Daily Beast story and then made up stuff to further their agenda. They quoted the sister verbatim, and sourced it. They condensed quoted Weaver and didn't even source it.

Nobody talks with a set of ellipsis in the middle of their sentences, especially an ellipsis with an extra dot. Like I said, show me the full quote. If you can do that, I'll believe Brietbart talked to her.

Yes I do, and I'd bet real money on it.

Sorry, no.

Nope, that's not why I concluded it was made up. I concluded it was made up because they didn't quote her fully, they didn't say when they talked to her, they didn't source it (not even as Brietbart Texas). It makes no sense of any kind, much less journalistic sense, to not say how you got the quote (phone, email, in person?) and then to condense an original, vital quote with an ellipsis. When that happens it is invariably because it is made up. But a quote like that was needed for the article in order to tell the story they wanted to tell (instead of just telling the story as it is). Plus, Neil Munro wrote the piece, who is semi-famous for several things, not the least of which is heckling the President in the Rose Garden (rah, rah Neil), but also famous for inventing sources and quotes, which is one of the many reasons he "quit" his former job after one too may runs-ins with Tucker Carlson.

Link please. Regarding Neil Munro quitting DC and fake quotes and sources. Thanks in advance.

 

[Ragman]

 

[Turtle]

It's embarrassing that you would think it's not good journalistic practice to seek a statement from the SPOKESPERSON from the school about the story they are writing on.

Reading comprehension. I don't think that, nor did I say that. What I said was, it's not "good journalistic" practice to seek comment from someone if you think they won't comment. Unless they're the subject of the investigation journalism in which you are you are engaged. In this case, if you seek out a comment from the school's spokesperson, knowing they cannot comment on it, and you seek it anyway, it's for only one of two purposes, neither one of which could even remotely be considered good journalism. One is to make the spokesperson look bad, as if they're hiding something. When you do that you're creating news, not reporting it. The other is to use the "no comment" as part of an agenda. And in this case neither was done, because they just made it up in the first place.

We will just have to see how this plays out and if she will eventually correct the record.

There's no record to correct. It's on a wacko right wingnut Blog, not on a news site.

The only person on the planet that cares about the quote is you. You're the one who had a problem with it, not me,and spent paragraphs complaining about it.

Sorry, no. It was but one of many items I used to point out the agenda behind the article, and that's the point you grabbed onto like it was a gold ring.

Link please. Regarding Neil Munro quitting DC and fake quotes and sources. Thanks in advance.

Sure, no problem, just as soon as you provide me with the full, verifiable quote that Munro received from Weaver.

 

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I'm still waiting for the link. Thanks

 

[Turtle]

I'm still waiting for the link. Thanks

I don't know why you would be, since without you producing the full quote you will never get any links showing Munro's past actions. And since you know you can't produce the full quote, there ya go.

 

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I don't know why you would be, since without you producing the full quote you will never get any links showing Munro's past actions. And since you know you can't produce the full quote, there ya go.

It's just....I can't find it. I did a google search....and nothing about Neil Munro's fake quotes or sources....came back. Maybe....just maybe....you have him confused with another journalist.

 

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Video: Students think Ahmed’s clock totally looks like a bomb

 

[RLENT]

I'm still waiting for the link. Thanks

And I'm still waiting for answers to a half dozen or so questions ...

And no thanks for you until you answer up ... which everyone knows will probably be ... never ... lol ...

 

[Turtle]

Video: Students think Ahmed’s clock totally looks like a bomb

Yeah, well, these are the same students who, in videos from the same MRC TV, signed a petition supporting 4th Trimester Abortions, a petition asking Obama to stop bombing ISIS and to support them instead, hoping that if we stop bombing them they'll stop beheading people, and they can't find North America on an unmarked globe of the Earth.

The university also has a class that teaches how to create fake news and fake Wikipedia pages, to see how many legitimate news organizations pick up the stories, and to see just how gullible Internet users are (very, as I'm sure you, well, you know).

 

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And I'm still waiting for answers to a half dozen or so questions ...

And no thanks for you until you answer up ... which everyone knows will probably be ... never ... lol ...

Did Ahmed's father say his son was 'tortured'? Yes or no?

 

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Yeah, well, these are the same students who, in videos from the same MRC TV, signed a petition supporting 4th Trimester Abortions, a petition asking Obama to stop bombing ISIS and to support them instead, hoping that if we stop bombing them they'll stop beheading people, and they can't find North America on an unmarked globe of the Earth.

The university also has a class that teaches how to create fake news and fake Wikipedia pages, to see how many legitimate news organizations pick up the stories, and to see just how gullible Internet users are (very, as I'm sure you, well, you know).

The students(mostly all of them) didn't know the picture shown to them was Ahmed's 'clock'. And nearly all of them thought it looked like a bomb. In other words, the students thought it looked like a bomb not knowing it was made by a kid who happened to be Muslim.

 

[Turtle]

The students(mostly all of them) didn't know the picture shown to them was Ahmed's 'clock'. And nearly all of them thought it looked like a bomb. In other words, the students thought it looked like a bomb not knowing it was made by a kid who happened to be Muslim.

Right. Got it. .... thinks a circuit board with wires on it is a bomb, can't find North America on a globe, thinks there's such a thing as a 4th trimester, wants Obama to support ISIS.