Barack Obama endorses entire Republican platform; GOP prepares to impeach

greg334

Veteran Expediter
"The only thing he has done right is to bring the military into the 21st century in the area of mental health"

Hardly true. All they do is drug the living daylights out of them, give them a medical discharge, and write them off. It scares me when I see what I have seen with the "new" way these guys are treated. I have seen far too much of the "walking zombies" who have gained 50lbs in a month and can barely keep their eyes open.

You know what Layout, I would like to see you go and volunteer with the one of the vet organizations who help out with this issue and see what they are doing - it is a bit more than drugging them up and leaving them in a corner with diapers.

UNTIL Obama that was the treatment and the issues were only talked about with not action but now it seems to be a bit different.

I understand the hatred for the guy, but I don't get where the guy makes a good move after so many so called great presidents ignored the issue. Hate truly blinds people.

Mental heath problems are hard to impossible to fix and many times there are hidden issues and issues that don't manifest themselves for years. It isn't as you give one a pill and the symptoms go away, it takes a while to find the right meds and the right treatment. I don't see too many people here wanting to see a return to mental health programs of the past where the services were publicly funded while privately run but that will go against the idea of spending the money on those "lazy and stupid" people just like those with the government cell phones. Just a reminder, I am not a liberal but I am one who sees a clear connection to our society's problems from the lack of mental health care we have in this country and for those who are not equipped, it is even worst than you would ever imagine.

Maybe we need to reexamine the need to provide most services to "retired" non-combat vets so to just give them tertiary medical exams and maybe a shot or two to offset the cost for combat vets to get even better treatment for what they face.

That would cover the obligation of that contract and save us a crap load of money.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
First off, I do not hate Obama. I have never met the man. I hate what he stands for. I hate socialism, communism and any other "ism" that demeans and discounts the human spirit. Those ideas are evil.

It MIGHT save money to use outside resources for non-combat injured vets. Might not. The VA has contracts for generic drugs to keep costs down. It also limits the drugs available. I take my perscriptions to Wally World, it is FAR less expensive there.

ONE of the reasons non-combat vet use the VA's hospitals is that, when there is no war the hospitals and clinics go under used. So they use them. Many of the vets have to use the VA due to either bad or contraindicated treatment they received while in the military. Much of those treatments have left vets with life long problems.

I have little doubt that there could be more effective and less expensive ways to fulfill that contract. It would have to be CLOSELY monitored for fraud. Farming out the care would likely end up with as much or more fraud that Medicaid has.

As to the rest, I sent you a PM.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hmmm...the way I see history, the only thing that pulled the world/US out of an economic slump was the great wars...massive wars...look at the pattern....there hasn't been a great war for like 67 yrs now....and the worlds economy is in the toilet....
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Hmmm...the way I see history, the only thing that pulled the world/US out of an economic slump was the great wars...massive wars...look at the pattern....there hasn't been a great war for like 67 yrs now....and the worlds economy is in the toilet....



I saw a documentary on that point a long time ago - it was very convincing
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I saw a documentary on that point a long time ago - it was very convincing

It is a sad fact...but for 67 yrs there has been nothing to replace, massive deaths and destruction to help the economy....and look around the world.....everyone is in the dumps.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Hmmm...the way I see history, the only thing that pulled the world/US out of an economic slump was the great wars...massive wars...look at the pattern....there hasn't been a great war for like 67 yrs now....and the worlds economy is in the toilet....

I think it goes to show how important manufacturing is to the economy, which it doesn't look good for us to be able to get out of the lows.

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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think it goes to show how important manufacturing is to the economy, which it doesn't look good for us to be able to get out of the lows.

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We can't get out of this low without a major war...and lots of countries in the same situation...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We can't get out of this low without a major war...and lots of countries in the same situation...

We could, but the powers that be don't WANT us too. They LIKE the idea of a "big war". Fits their plans for population reduction to reduce man made "global warming".
 

coppertone

Active Expediter
Your insurance company lied to you, the health care bill has only had a couple of provisions enacted, none of them would make anything cheaper.

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Sorry but the proof is in the paycheck. Lower premiums, increased coverage. An insurance company doesn't have to give the health care law credit if they chose to lower the rates on their own. Maybe they want to stay ahead of the curve by lowering the rates now and insuring more therefore lowering the rates for everyone. But as usual, we are all entitled to their opinion.
 

coppertone

Active Expediter
First off, I do not hate Obama. I have never met the man. I hate what he stands for. I hate socialism, communism and any other "ism" that demeans and discounts the human spirit. Those ideas are evil.

It MIGHT save money to use outside resources for non-combat injured vets. Might not. The VA has contracts for generic drugs to keep costs down. It also limits the drugs available. I take my perscriptions to Wally World, it is FAR less expensive there.

ONE of the reasons non-combat vet use the VA's hospitals is that, when there is no war the hospitals and clinics go under used. So they use them. Many of the vets have to use the VA due to either bad or contraindicated treatment they received while in the military. Much of those treatments have left vets with life long problems.

I have little doubt that there could be more effective and less expensive ways to fulfill that contract. It would have to be CLOSELY monitored for fraud. Farming out the care would likely end up with as much or more fraud that Medicaid has.

As to the rest, I sent you a PM.
Sounds like you hate a lot of things. I choose to be optimistic. I choose to believe in the future instead of bellyaching about everything. I hear a lot of drivers on the CB ( or as my husband calls them-CB RAMBOS) People who just want to be heard regardless of what they have to say. It seems to me there are a lot of people out there who claim they CLEARLY love America, but can't stand Americans. I don't think commenting any longer on this subject is worth my time. I will try to find more intelligent conversation. GOOD DAY!
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
coppertone wrote:

I don't think commenting any longer on this subject is worth my time. I will try to find more intelligent conversation. GOOD DAY!

Bye seeya....BUT, before you leave, I want to say that I personally think it is admirable of you to admit and take responsibilty for your contribution to the current state of our country.....Thank you for that it least you are taking that responsibilty, alot here won't....
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Sorry but the proof is in the paycheck. Lower premiums, increased coverage. An insurance company doesn't have to give the health care law credit if they chose to lower the rates on their own. Maybe they want to stay ahead of the curve by lowering the rates now and insuring more therefore lowering the rates for everyone. But as usual, we are all entitled to their opinion.

If you are stating a fact like my health insurance went down because of the new law then it is not an opinion. How can a law that will likely cause rates to go up and is not even in place yet cause rates to go down? The bill takes away the policies that insurance companies use to keep rates lower. On a side note I do appreciate you responding, it can seem a little rough here sometimes. I like to talk with people that have different views as long as they seem sane and can think on their own anyway.

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tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Why am I a fan of Pres. Obama? Because he's not an embarrassment to the world the way his predecessor was. Because I do feel hope when he speaks of this country. Because of his determination to do what he thinks is best for everyone in this country whether you like his policies or not. Because he won't be swayed by a poll on whether he can be re-elected or not to make the decisions that have to be made. I personally think nationwide health care is what this country needs. If other countries can do it, why not us? I believe he's right when the rich should pay more in taxes than they do. Truck drivers are far from being rich, and your personal income is FAR less than would be taxed. I believe you would reap the benefit of the burden being lifted a little more from your shoulders. He said he would get Bin Laden and he did. He sent the NAVY SEALS in to kill the Somalian Pirates who kidnapped one of our U.S. captains. He promised to pull troops out of two wars and he's doing just that. I could go on and on but I won't. You may not agree with everything or anything that he does, but you have to admit he's keeping the majority of his campaign promises. I find it more amazing that people elected this man on the basis of these promises-on the basis of change, and when change starts to come, they start complaining. We are a country of instant technology. The fact that you can blog like this is an example. We want everything RIGHT NOW!! If there's a problem you want it solved now. No one has any patience. With the opposition the Pres. is up against, it's amazing he can get anything accomplished. Pres. Obama? You're doing alright!!

Does what he feels is best for the country?really Its funny you talk about the seals!As the bodys of a seal team were being brought home the pentagon ordered no camera to be allowed Due to the request of family members who did not want pics taken.Obama ever the opportunist decides he dont care what the family members want he see's a photo op. and brings his own photographer.Even after backlash from the family members the picture remains up on the white house website.Yep he cares about whats good and right for americans.Wanna bet that picture ends up on the cover of a magazine as the election draws close?I bet Time or Life.

as far as promises go.He promised to end the war in Iraq within his first 16 months if elected.Promise broken.Did he start pulling troops out yep however many of them were pulled out of one war zone and sent to afganstanian.Then after taking office he told congress he was going to pull all US combat troops out by August of 2010.Yet our men and women are still being killed in Iraq sure seems like the combat is still going on over there.
So this year Obama says he is going to start bringing troops home from Afganstanian,10 thousand this year and 20 thousand next year.So he waits over 2 years to start bringing troops homeWith most of them being brought home during an election year.Yep he is doing whats right for america not whats best for him.;)Now lets talk about those 30,000 troops he says he is going to bring home.You see he promised to bring home troops if elected,yet he is not really.The number of troops he is bringing home is the number HE HIMSEF ORDERED OVER THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.So he fails on that promise also.Now if you really look you will see these are not my feelings they are facts.

Embarrassment the man does nothing that has anything to do with the rest of the world with out seeing what NATO is doing first.I belive the rest of the world see's him as the very weak leader he is.Heck his own people are starting to see him as weak and many are even starting to call him out on it."His own people" bet you are thinking I mean black right?Because all republicans are racist and what else could it mean?DEMOCRATS.Really why do you think he has lost so many of his key people in just 2 1/2 years?

Obamacare.Who do you think stands to benifit the most?Hate to break it to you but that would be Insurance companies.You see the left loves to throw around that insurance companies can no longer deny you because of a pre-existing condition.and that is great it really is.How ever what Obama and the rest of the left dont say is that the IC can charge you what ever they want for a premium every month.Also if health care really is so important to Obama why has there been thousands of waivers granted to big companys?He is all about protecting medicare yet Obamacare cuts 500 billion from it.The best part While running he promised that the American people would have five days to review any bill put befor congress befor it was voted on yet that did not happen with Obamacare did it?What was it nancy peloci said "we need to pass this healthcare bill so we can find out whats in it".Promise broken!

Taxs as we seen with Obamacare Obama and the democrats could have raised taxs if they really wanted to.I say really wanted to because I have looked at how the vote record in the house and the senate went to extend the bush tax cuts.Because in the House and the Senate more democrats voted to extend them then republicans did.Then Obama signed it.

You see no the founding fathers did not want a king.However they did set it up so congress would have a leader.And Obama is no leader.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
I don't think commenting any longer on this subject is worth my time. I will try to find more intelligent conversation. GOOD DAY!

Just like a liberal when being proved wrong.At least did not cry racism,maybe there is hope for them yet!
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Don't forget his fake hatred of the "Patriot Act" which he not only resigned but made more intrusive.

What about his fake hatred of allowing Mexican Trucks into the country. He really "stuck it" to his Teamster buddies on that one!
 
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