Barack Obama endorses entire Republican platform; GOP prepares to impeach

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I have to respectfully disagree.

From reading and debating several postings over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that most (not all) in these forums honestly feel the Repubs are the only ones to save our great nation.

The problem is both parties care about one thing and one thing only, and that is getting elected or re-elected.

Both lie, cheat and steal from the citizens. :mad:

Thank you, I am done with my rant now. :D


I think that the ONLY reason that many feel that is is that the Dumb-O-Crats have had FAR more chances to screw thing up than the ReBumLiCans have. I can PROVE that one too. Care to have a go at it? Why would I say that?
 

Ragman

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I think that the ONLY reason that many feel that is is that the Dumb-O-Crats have had FAR more chances to screw thing up than the ReBumLiCans have. I can PROVE that one too. Care to have a go at it? Why would I say that?

No need to have a go at it. It doesn't matter who had more chances to screw things up. The bottom line is things are screwed up due to both sides ineptitude.
 

paullud

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I have to respectfully disagree.

From reading and debating several postings over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that most (not all) in these forums honestly feel the Repubs are the only ones to save our great nation.

The problem is both parties care about one thing and one thing only, and that is getting elected or re-elected.

Both lie, cheat and steal from the citizens. :mad:

Thank you, I am done with my rant now. :D

I think it is partially because the Democrats are socialist now, the Republicans are getting pushed into becoming conservative again. The Republicans are talking a good game but most are likely to let us down, I think a lot of statements are viewed as Republican but are just conservative and fall into some Republican talking points.

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greg334

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Sue, it is hard to explain but it comes down to how people think our government works and how the money is used to convince them they are right in that thinking. It is pretty much the same reasoning behind the skewed concept that the president is king when he is not as important that a congressman in our country.
 

EnglishLady

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Sue, it is hard to explain but it comes down to how people think our government works and how the money is used to convince them they are right in that thinking. It is pretty much the same reasoning behind the skewed concept that the president is king when he is not as important that a congressman in our country.



Thank you ...... this is why I could not understand why there isn't a no confidence voting system to replace Obama - from what I understand not many Dems agree with his policies right now so should be a synch to do :p
 

layoutshooter

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No need to have a go at it. It doesn't matter who had more chances to screw things up. The bottom line is things are screwed up due to both sides ineptitude.

No argument from me. I KNOW that both parties are about as useless as hair on a toad. I was just attempting to explain why may look at the ReBumLiCans for help. It is, however, a total waste of time. Expecting them to help in any way is like cleaning glass with oil and sand.
 

Ragman

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I think it is partially because the Democrats are socialist now, the Republicans are getting pushed into becoming conservative again. The Republicans are talking a good game but most are likely to let us down, I think a lot of statements are viewed as Republican but are just conservative and fall into some Republican talking points.

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Ok fine, I can accept that.
However, We have to start thinking of the way things are now, not how it was.

The policies of the past will not work now.
 

layoutshooter

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Ok fine, I can accept that.
However, We have to start thinking of the way things are now, not how it was.

The policies of the past will not work now.

The ReBumLiCans are socialist too. They just hide it better. They "talk" a better game than they play. They ALL need to go.
 

paullud

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Ok fine, I can accept that.
However, We have to start thinking of the way things are now, not how it was.

The policies of the past will not work now.

I don't think the average voter is capable of looking beyond the 2 parties, they are to distracted by "reality" TV or trying to get a shiny new car. I think most of us in this forum are unhappy with both parties.

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greg334

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Thank you ...... this is why I could not understand why there isn't a no confidence voting system to replace Obama - from what I understand not many Dems agree with his policies right now so should be a synch to do :p

You're welcome

I think the founding fathers wanted to avoid the idea of ruling from one position within the government which would have been the same as the system they left under King George.

The president was an executive to run part of the country within limits, the congress was in part the law makers (house) where the people controlled the government (the stock holders) with the senate being like a board of directors representing the stake holders (states) - if that makes sense because I think I explained it oddly.

The checks and balances were supposed to limit the government by limiting the power of each branch - hence ensuring that not one branch got bigger or more powerful.

Removing the president is a process the people bring the charges to him through the house and the states can decide to remove him or not through the senate.

What happened was the civil war and the issue of states rights and federal rights, the states lost and we started to lose that fundamental concept that the rights came from God to the people to the states to the federal government. AND since then it has been down hill.
 

coppertone

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I am no fan of Obama but I am curious to know what you like about him. Why is your vote already locked in for him when you don't know all the candidates yet?

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Why am I a fan of Pres. Obama? Because he's not an embarrassment to the world the way his predecessor was. Because I do feel hope when he speaks of this country. Because of his determination to do what he thinks is best for everyone in this country whether you like his policies or not. Because he won't be swayed by a poll on whether he can be re-elected or not to make the decisions that have to be made. I personally think nationwide health care is what this country needs. If other countries can do it, why not us? I believe he's right when the rich should pay more in taxes than they do. Truck drivers are far from being rich, and your personal income is FAR less than would be taxed. I believe you would reap the benefit of the burden being lifted a little more from your shoulders. He said he would get Bin Laden and he did. He sent the NAVY SEALS in to kill the Somalian Pirates who kidnapped one of our U.S. captains. He promised to pull troops out of two wars and he's doing just that. I could go on and on but I won't. You may not agree with everything or anything that he does, but you have to admit he's keeping the majority of his campaign promises. I find it more amazing that people elected this man on the basis of these promises-on the basis of change, and when change starts to come, they start complaining. We are a country of instant technology. The fact that you can blog like this is an example. We want everything RIGHT NOW!! If there's a problem you want it solved now. No one has any patience. With the opposition the Pres. is up against, it's amazing he can get anything accomplished. Pres. Obama? You're doing alright!!
 

layoutshooter

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Does "Obama Care" by FORCE enhance or detract from freedom? NOTHING is more important that being free. NOTHING this congress or president are doing enhances freedom. In my opinion. Do you really believe that the Constitution is a priority of this government?
 

greg334

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Please don't be offended by this but ...

Because he's not an embarrassment to the world the way his predecessor was.

THIS is scary.

The only thing he has done right is to bring the military into the 21st century in the area of mental health, other than that, he is just the same as Bush and Clinton - a politician.
 

layoutshooter

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"The only thing he has done right is to bring the military into the 21st century in the area of mental health"

Hardly true. All they do is drug the living daylights out of them, give them a medical discharge, and write them off. It scares me when I see what I have seen with the "new" way these guys are treated. I have seen far too much of the "walking zombies" who have gained 50lbs in a month and can barely keep their eyes open.

As far as I am concerned the ONLY thing he has done right is go to sleep at night.
 

coppertone

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Does "Obama Care" by FORCE enhance or detract from freedom? NOTHING is more important that being free. NOTHING this congress or president are doing enhances freedom. In my opinion. Do you really believe that the Constitution is a priority of this government?

I don't think anyone is thrilled that you may be required under the law to have health insurance but it does make sense that if everyone buys into the system it will lower costs for everyone. Just as an example, this past January my husband's company sent us a letter saying that BECAUSE OF the new nationwide health care law our health insurance premiums would drop. Our premiums went from $130.00 per week to $101.00 per week. The dental premiums were cut in half, and the company was able to get us a vision plan. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want to save almost $150.00 a month. The President is just trying to clean up the mess that was handed to him. In case anyone forgot Franklin Roosevelt during the Great Depression had to spend gov. money to pull us out. He started government work projects that got this country moving again. It is what started building our highways, our bridges, the Hoover Dam, the Blue Ridge Parkway, major skyscrapers. I think that is what this country needs again. The money would be paid back by millions of citizens working and paying their taxes, instead of collecting an unemployment check and paying no taxes. The economy would rebound quickly by citizens having money to spend on homes, clothing, luxury items, cars,TRUCKS!!!, etc. I'm just sayin!!!
 

paullud

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Why am I a fan of Pres. Obama? Because he's not an embarrassment to the world the way his predecessor was.

I think Bush did a bad job no argument there but Obama has been protected by the media, look at what Obama has done, he is doing the exact same things.

Because I do feel hope when he speaks of this country. Because of his determination to do what he thinks is best for everyone in this country whether you like his policies or not.

What gives you hope? He is a much better speaker, well teleprompter reader than Bush but he is failing in many aspects.

Because he won't be swayed by a poll on whether he can be re-elected or not to make the decisions that have to be made. I personally think nationwide health care is what this country needs.

The statement about not being swayed really isn't true though.

If other countries can do it, why not us?

Yes other countries are doing it but their system is failing and the medical system is as well.

I believe he's right when the rich should pay more in taxes than they do. Truck drivers are far from being rich, and your personal income is FAR less than would be taxed. I believe you would reap the benefit of the burden being lifted a little more from your shoulders.

Just because the rich can pay more doesn't mean they should be forced to though. It may not impact my taxes in the short term but when a business can be moved elsewhere to produce goods much cheaper, with less taxes, and now can be shipped in cheaper as well, it will impact your income taxes because they will be much less due to a decreased income or loss of income.

He said he would get Bin Laden and he did. He sent the NAVY SEALS in to kill the Somalian Pirates who kidnapped one of our U.S. captains.

Obama saying he would get bin Laden was nothing more than campaign rhetoric from a politician, he had no way of knowing. There are also a lot of questions being raised about him having to basically be forced to send the Seals in to get him.

He promised to pull troops out of two wars and he's doing just that. I could go on and on but I won't.

Yes he followed the withdrawal plan Bush had in place, he was in office when it happened but it really wasn't his planning. He also started another war for no reason.

You may not agree with everything or anything that he does, but you have to admit he's keeping the majority of his campaign promises.

He hasn't finished his term so you really can't be sure what will happen, but he has failed on many of his promises or bowed to pressure and not fulfilled what he promised including health care.


I find it more amazing that people elected this man on the basis of these promises-on the basis of change, and when change starts to come, they start complaining. We are a country of instant technology. The fact that you can blog like this is an example. We want everything RIGHT NOW!! If there's a problem you want it solved now. No one has any patience. With the opposition the Pres. is up against, it's amazing he can get anything accomplished. Pres. Obama? You're doing alright!!

There are 2 groups that don't like him, you have one group that never liked his policies and another that realize he is bowing to the pressure and not fulfilling his promises.

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paullud

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I don't think anyone is thrilled that you may be required under the law to have health insurance but it does make sense that if everyone buys into the system it will lower costs for everyone. Just as an example, this past January my husband's company sent us a letter saying that BECAUSE OF the new nationwide health care law our health insurance premiums would drop. Our premiums went from $130.00 per week to $101.00 per week. The dental premiums were cut in half, and the company was able to get us a vision plan. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want to save almost $150.00 a month. The President is just trying to clean up the mess that was handed to him. In case anyone forgot Franklin Roosevelt during the Great Depression had to spend gov. money to pull us out. He started government work projects that got this country moving again. It is what started building our highways, our bridges, the Hoover Dam, the Blue Ridge Parkway, major skyscrapers. I think that is what this country needs again. The money would be paid back by millions of citizens working and paying their taxes, instead of collecting an unemployment check and paying no taxes. The economy would rebound quickly by citizens having money to spend on homes, clothing, luxury items, cars,TRUCKS!!!, etc. I'm just sayin!!!

Your insurance company lied to you, the health care bill has only had a couple of provisions enacted, none of them would make anything cheaper.

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layoutshooter

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So I take it that you believe that the Constitution is NOT as important than cheap health care?

By the way, OUR health care plan has been more or less OUTLAWED by Obama Care. Remember when he said that is we had coverage we liked we could keep it? A total LIE!

I was forced to drop my policy to make sure that my wife can remain covered since the cost of health care is going WAY UP due to Obama Care. Now, for the first time in my life, I have NO personal coverage, thanks to Obama Care.

How much force is OK, in your mind, can be used to FORCE me to buy a policy that I don't want and REFUSE to buy? I have, by the way, wrote my congressman, Obama and both of my senators informing them the I REFUSE to buy a policy if told to do so and will NOT submit to arrest when I REFUSE to pay the fine. I did sign those letters as well.
 
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