Bad journalism?

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I'm waiting to find out what good journalism is.

Actually the one thing that is not on the list of underreported or covered up news pieces is also one that affects the people involved and the country

The issue of an open border and the civil war that is taking place in Mexico.

IT should be the most talked about, the most covered and the most discussed news in our country, nothing else compares to it.
 

scottm4211

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I'm waiting to find out what good journalism is.

Actually the one thing that is not on the list of underreported or covered up news pieces is also one that affects the people involved and the country

The issue of an open border and the civil war that is taking place in Mexico.

IT should be the most talked about, the most covered and the most discussed news in our country, nothing else compares to it.

I see you haven't been following Justin Bieber...
 

cheri1122

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Did these stories get less reporting and if so was it bad journalism due to intentionally incorrectly or under reporting the story or was it something else?

What was the most covered-up story of 2010?

The listed stories got the coverage they merited. Characterizing any of them as 'covered up' is what I consider bad journalism in its attempt to portray opinion as fact. [And highly prejudicial opinion, at that.]
The birth certificate 'story': is the word of one clerk, unsupported by a single fact, more believable than the determination [after investigation] of FactCheck Org, [a nonpartisan association], and Hawaii's Health Director Chiyome Fukino, and Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka?
Only if you're determined to believe what that one man says, no matter what the facts prove.
The second story is that of a LtCol who was court martialed for refusing to deploy to Afghanistan, [basing his refusal upon the 'illegitimacy' of the President, based upon the same trumped up controversy as story number 1.] That he didn't prove his case either is hardly major news, by anyone's standards.
Except those who are too consumed by blind hatred of Obama to objectively asses the truth of any situation, if Obama can be pilloried by it instead.
Every 'spiked' story was the same: the press didn't blame Obama enough!
Really, Leo, I thought you were smarter than this.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
I'm waiting to find out what good journalism is.

Actually the one thing that is not on the list of underreported or covered up news pieces is also one that affects the people involved and the country

The issue of an open border and the civil war that is taking place in Mexico.

IT should be the most talked about, the most covered and the most discussed news in our country, nothing else compares to it.
We wouldn't want to offend our undocumented visitors now would we?

Speaking of undocumented, I've always wondered why the Obama handlers won't release his long-form certificate - we've never seen anything from him that looks like this:

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greg334

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Well you really think that the powers in Washington (I mean the real power like those bureaucrats who run such great agencies like the Justice department or those who run the CIA, NSA and others) is going to take a chance in putting a president who is not born in this country pass the vetting process?

Really?

If he isn't born in this country, than we have a serious issue with everything that he signed into law, so that health care bill that the dems worked so so hard to pass is now worthless and so is a lot of other things - they would not let this happen.

He is what I think ... I think that we should punish Hawaii for letting us go through this mess so let the Chinese take it as part of the payment on the debt, wiping out maybe 40% of it at the same time removing the problems with the issue of Hawaii. We can do what we did with Cuba, lease the military facilities for 100 years. By the way, I understand HK is doing very well with China's approach to capitalism, so Hawaii should do better.
 

LDB

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Thanks Cheri but I just brought it out to be viewed. I have reservations about one because regardless of who those are swearing up and down Obama is for real they still haven't produced the documentation to prove it. Also, the guy was a little more than a clerk. As for the Col., he wasn't allowed to bring his evidence and put on a defense so I don't consider that case valid either.
 

Turtle

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I'm waiting to find out what good journalism is.
You certainly won't find an example of good journalism at the above link, as Moot ironically notes. The most "covered up" or "underreported" stories are either conspiracy theories in nature, or simply not newsworthy in the first place.

As for conspiracy theories, which have become ubiquitous thanks to the panic-power of the Internet and the tendency for people to believe the unbelievable, all you have to do is understand what a conspiracy is, the different types, how they are conceived and how they work, and then apply that to human nature, and you will often simply be embarrassed to be the believer of a conspiracy theory.

In 1936, American commentator H.L. Mencken wrote:

The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy.


The types of conspiracy theories are pretty straightforward:

Event conspiracy theories
. The conspiracy is held to be responsible for a limited, discrete event or set of events. The conspiratorial forces are alleged to have focused their energies on a limited, well-defined objective. The best-known example in the recent past is the Kennedy assassination conspiracy literature.

Systemic conspiracy theories
. The conspiracy is believed to have broad goals, usually conceived as securing control of a country, a region, or even the entire world. While the goals are sweeping, the conspiratorial machinery is generally simple: a single, evil organization implements a plan to infiltrate and subvert existing institutions. This is a common scenario in conspiracy theories that focus on the alleged machinations of Jews, Freemason, Catholic Church.

Superconspiracy theories
. Conspiratorial constructs in which multiple conspiracies are believed to be linked together hierarchically. Event and systemic are joined in complex ways, so that conspiracies come to be nested together. At the summit of the conspiratorial hierarchy is a distant but all-powerful evil force manipulating lesser conspiratorial actors. Thanks to the Internet, Superconspiracy theories have enjoyed particular growth.


We also know these things to be true about conspiracy theories:

  • People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others

  • There is a strong association between income, education and belief levels: the better-off and better educated are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

  • Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy theories offer accounts that feel “safe” or “predictable,” even if the outcome or cause is scary. The 911 conspiracy is like that.

  • Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or contradicting evidence.

  • Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to peg it.

For a conspiracy theory to get started, there has to be something that a conspiracy theorist can use, something that doesn't make sense. Sometimes it's glaring, but usually it's some little thing, but in all cases it does have to be a legitimate discrepancy, something that doesn't make sense normally. From the point of the discrepancy, the theorist has to explain everything that happened in a believable way. If the theorist cannot do that, then the theory is not going to hold up and no one will believe it. So he has to do a lot of work gathering evidence and looking for alternative explanations. The 911 and Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories are excellent examples of this. The phantom missile fired off the California coast is not, since people who believe that are just ignorant of airplane contrails and the optical illusions of perspective.

One interesting thing about conspiracy theories is, the more irrefutable evidence which surfaces to disprove the conspiracy, the more many people will entrench their belief in the theory, and will expand the conspiracy theory to discount or explain away real, actual, irrefutable evidence, sometimes in the most far-reaching ways imaginable. Even if the theory is based firmly on a lie, and is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be a lie, many people will still cling to the lie and prefer the lie over the truth.

With government conspiracies, as G. Gordon Liddy once succinctly put it, "The problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans."

So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is to be true.
 

cheri1122

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Thanks Cheri but I just brought it out to be viewed. I have reservations about one because regardless of who those are swearing up and down Obama is for real they still haven't produced the documentation to prove it.
Clearly, they're not required to. I remember reading that the leaders of the Senate & Congress have seen the birth certificate and accept it. As Greg says, do you really think Obama would have been sworn in if there were even the tiniest sliver of doubt?
Also, the guy was a little more than a clerk.
Excuse me: the Senior Election Clerk made unsubstantiated claims that have been countered by fact.
Better?
As for the Col., he wasn't allowed to bring his evidence and put on a defense so I don't consider that case valid either.
I know nothing about the procedural rules for courts martial, but trust the Judge would have been reversed if in error, same as a civilian court. As that didn't happen, I assume her decision was correct.

Anyone who believes that Obama isn't really qualified to be President is drowning in conspiracy koolaid, and clutching at straws. Which tends to make reasonable folks ignore whatever else they have to say.
 

LDB

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One doesn't need to include birth certificates in the equation to know Obama isn't really qualified to be president. A community organizer who in the state senate couldn't be bothered to or just refused to vote and who then spent a couple of weeks as a U.S. Senator before abandoning that to run for president? No, he's not qualified really. The Col. is under appeal now I believe and the wheels turn slowly it seems so we may or may not learn the judge erred. The koolaid pours both ways and there is plenty pouring from the other direction as well.
 

greg334

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Leo,
There is a difference between being legally qualified and being qualified. I don't think in this case he isn't too far off of being not qualified to be president by todays twisted standards we have set and rather the country expectations of some leadership qualities that we have redefined in the past 60 years.

I feel anyone can sit in that seat, it isn't as powerful as people want to believe and there is very little more to it than that of being a leader of of the executive branch. We come to expect people to be rock stars now, uninhibited by everyday things we face and more like a cult hero who can't do no wrong. I think JFK is a perfect example, the myth of JFK has allowed all the Kennedys to get a free ride and JFK himself was not a great leader nor a great person. His wife was elevated to that of a princess and his children were untouchable. Even today, we ignore Johnson while praising JFK.

In all honesty, Obama, or any other president is not the leader of the country, he has to answer to others on his actions and his ideas, he doesn't have a free hand in much of anything outside of setting policy. If we actually understand that much of the feds powers still rest on the shoulders of the congress, then we can understand why he has limited powers in the first place.

MUCH of what people attribute to these changes they see being made like the trashing of the Constitution and so on by Obama, they lack a few basic understandings of how it really is and how there can't be all these changes by one man who can't pass laws - it all goes back to two simple facts that the congress allows changes to be made and more importantly we allowed congress. IF we were smart, which the last election showed we are not by the way, we would clean congress out every 2 and 6 years without exception.
 

Turtle

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I just hope that, when they land and say, "Take me to your leader," that they aren't talking to Greg. By the time he's finished explaining how we don't really have one and how things really work, they'll have given up and gone home.

The president may not be a dictatorial ruler who answers to no one, but he is the leader of the country.

lead·er
–noun
1. a person or thing that leads.

2. a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Definitely a difference between the two. My point was that if he is legally qualified, and based on the way it's been handled that is still definitely not answered and in doubt, but if he actually is legally qualified that is the extent of his qualifications and he is not qualified in real world experience or ability.
 

Oilerman1957

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Definitely a difference between the two. My point was that if he is legally qualified, and based on the way it's been handled that is still definitely not answered and in doubt, but if he actually is legally qualified that is the extent of his qualifications and he is not qualified in real world experience or ability.

You know that probably 80% of people laugh at you birthers, and I doubt that you are really qualified to say if Obama is qualified are not.
 
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