Given that Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, was without question a lifelong citizen of the United States... that's sufficient. Yeah, she globetrotted alot, but Obama's mom was an American, plain and simple. So, I wouldn't get hung-up on citizenship. Pursuing this changes nothing. BUT... Obama's failure to release his academic records, which Presidential candidates routinely do, raises alarm bells and screams for scrutiny. There may be some minor embarrassments or some revelation which might make him not a viable candidate for high office. It's a safe bet his transcripts would show him to be a mediocre student at best who rode the affirmative-action hobby horse all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Having an American mother and or father does not insure the LEGAL right to be elected president. There are papers that are required to be filed for children born overseas to American parents when they are overseas. Obama's father was NOT an American and IF he were born out of the country there is a GOOD chance that he would NOT be a legal citizen. Not that being a legal citizen matters anymore. Seems like all you have to do is just walk in and that is all that matters.
As for his transcripts, the American people have a right to know if the person that they hired, partially based on his claims of education, is telling the truth about it.
Oilerman1957
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So how did Barack Obama fare in college?
It’s unclear how well he did as an undergraduate, although he was not a distinguished student. Obama refuses to release his transcript from his undergraduate years. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, Obama was not well-known among classmates after he transferred to Columbia University from Occidental College in the early 1980s. The article quotes a former roommate who states that Obama’s performance improved after he stopped taking drugs (which Obama has admitted to openly). Since Obama did not graduate with honors, that means his GPA was between a 2.0 and a 3.3 — although, since he was admitted to Harvard Law School, it’s hard to imagine his GPA was much lower than a 3.3.
Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a degree in political science. He specialized in international relations.
Law school was another story for Obama. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991. He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a very prestigious honor.
Did he EARN it or was it a "gift"? Again, let us see ALL his transcripts. For a guy that "specialized" in international relations he sure seems to be lost when in that arena. As for his "law degree" it is amazing that you can get one and not know that the Constitution does NOT allow you to use FORCE to require a PRIVATE citizen to BUY health insurance. What a joke that bum is.
Oilerman1957
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Well, you just cant blame Obama, have to blame congress to you know. And to be honest, i dont know where it says in the constitution that you cant, can you show me that?
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I am speaking only for myself. I don't care if he was born outside the USA. I realize there are legal requirements to be met for US citizenship... e.g. natural born citizen. I am satisfied he has at least one American parent and he spent nearly all his life living in the USA. There is no way the courts would overturn the election of Barack Hussein Obama. He won more than 50% of the vote in a fair election. Unless some Earth shattering news comes forward to disprove his qualifications, he remains viable. Conservatives' energies would be better spent producing their own viable candidate for 2012. Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana comes to mind.Having an American mother and or father does not insure the LEGAL right to be elected president. There are papers that are required to be filed for children born overseas to American parents when they are overseas. Obama's father was NOT an American and IF he were born out of the country there is a GOOD chance that he would NOT be a legal citizen. Not that being a legal citizen matters anymore. Seems like all you have to do is just walk in and that is all that matters.
As for his transcripts, the American people have a right to know if the person that they hired, partially based on his claims of education, is telling the truth about it.
I know what congress is to blame as well. That, however, does NOT diminish that fact that Obama is a bum.
One American parent does NOT insure LEGAL citizenship and yes, IF he were NOT a LEGAL citizen, his election can and SHOULD be overturned. The law and Constitution MUST be upheld. NO ONE should be above that. Fair election? NOT IF he was not elegable to run LEGALLY.
Oilerman1957
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Come on, his birth was even posted in hawaii's newspaper, do you really think this con was started way back when he was born?
"...the Constitution does NOT allow you to use FORCE to require a PRIVATE citizen to BUY health insurance."
Am I interpreting this right? Are you saying that there's nothing in the constitution that says US citizens can not be forced by the government to buy health insurance?
First off, I did NOT claim that I thought he was not legal. I was speaking in general using him as an example. After all, a putz like that needs to be made an example of!! Believe an American newspaper? That IS funny!!! "Hawaii's newspaper" They have a stat run paper? That would explain a lot. Hey, how do we know that he is not an alien, brought here to turn over the earth to human eating monsters?
dieseldiva
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I keep hearing this argument made from the left, like anyone would be stupid enough to actually believe it.....what I don't hear is anyone suggesting something like photoshop, etc. What's up with that?
Oilerman1957
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Im saying that i dont know where it says that in the constitution, can you show that it does? And there is a difference between Force and penalties
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Oilerman1957
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You dont think someone went back on the papers archives and looked it up to see if it really was posted about his birth? They did and it was. His birth certificate is also on microfilm in Hawaii, and yes it has been seen also.
You have it ALL wrong. The Constitution clearly defines the role of the Federal government. They are NOT legally allowed to go beyond that without amending the Constitution. They WILL use force to enforce the penalties. Do you really believe that they won't? I have already told my congressman that I REFUSE to buy what they tell me too and that I REFUSE to pay the fines OR any taxes to pay for this illegal act. Want to bet on what will happen? Keep in mind, the IRS is charged with enforcement. That alone should scare that pants off of you.
Oilerman1957
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First off, I did NOT claim that I thought he was not legal. I was speaking in general using him as an example. After all, a putz like that needs to be made an example of!! Believe an American newspaper? That IS funny!!! "Hawaii's newspaper" They have a stat run paper? That would explain a lot. Hey, how do we know that he is not an alien, brought here to turn over the earth to human eating monsters?
Ok, so do you think he was born in the USA?
greg334
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Turtle, people think he is an absolute ruler of the country and one who makes the laws.
This seems to have been going on for a few decades. This last president seems to be a good example, people and the press both have made it out as he can fix any problem - remember Obama's stash?
Leo, the vetting process is a bit more than "lets look at his birth certificate, ok there it is". I understood that they actually look into it more than taking it for face value. I think the doubt is and only is created by those who want it to be there out of desperation to get rid of him. Many of these will grasp at anything they think is legit enough to get at least someone to listen to them.
Layout, there is a difference in that those in charge of the groups have their own skin to protect, and those subject to the voters whims. In congress those who are protecting their power are going to do so according to their agenda and that of the party.
This seems to have been going on for a few decades. This last president seems to be a good example, people and the press both have made it out as he can fix any problem - remember Obama's stash?
Leo, the vetting process is a bit more than "lets look at his birth certificate, ok there it is". I understood that they actually look into it more than taking it for face value. I think the doubt is and only is created by those who want it to be there out of desperation to get rid of him. Many of these will grasp at anything they think is legit enough to get at least someone to listen to them.
Layout, there is a difference in that those in charge of the groups have their own skin to protect, and those subject to the voters whims. In congress those who are protecting their power are going to do so according to their agenda and that of the party.
I have no idea. I have NO proof either way. It does seem to me that he should release that long form just to shut everybody up. Makes me wonder why he would not. Do you believe everything that he or the papers say?
Oilerman1957
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Again, you need to show me where in the constitution you believe makes what you are saying true, Ive read it over and over and cant really say they cant do what they are going to do.
Oilerman1957
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Well again, it is a state law in Hawaii that they do not release the so called long form, you want him to break the law?, when you ask for your birth certificate in hawaii you get what he got. No i dont believe everything anybody says, but i doubt very much that a newspaper birth annoucement back in 1961 was a setup just in case this baby was elected president.