Radical Islam is at war with Western civilization. It is very difficult for many Westerners to come to grips with this reality. Wishing it weren't so doesn't work. Most likely, it will take several high profile terrorist attacks with mass casualities to wake people from their slumber. Even then, Europe won't respond, they are terminally timid.
Back to Iraq?
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Evidently the US has finally decided to provide arms to the Kurds. This is the most sensible first step - combined with limited air support - towards defeat of the ISIS forces. However, this will only be a band-aid instead of a cure for the mess Obama has made of Iraq. His insistence of removing all US forces from Iraq to enhance his political fortunes at home has proven to be a disaster. Considering the investment of blood and treasure we made in Iraq, it was insanely incompetent to pull out the forces that would have supported a new Iraqi government and its military that was in its infancy and needed time to develop. In spite of what Barack Hussein Obama says at this point in time, it's highly likely we'll have boots on the ground again over there to clean up the mess he made. Arming the Kurds and providing CIA "advisors" is only the first step.
US to directly arm Kurdish peshmerga forces in bid to thwart Isis offensive | World news | theguardian.com
US to directly arm Kurdish peshmerga forces in bid to thwart Isis offensive | World news | theguardian.com
We are going to have to tread VERY lightly. We have Turkey, a NATO partner, to deal with. The Kurds and Turks don't get along. Turkey could well look at us arming the Kurds as a "treaty breaker". They are already getting "chummy" with Russia. Russia would like nothing more than to start breaking up NATO.
We have to be VERY VERY careful.
It is NOT as simple as a few TV sound bites.
We have to be VERY VERY careful.
It is NOT as simple as a few TV sound bites.
I've been watching CNN's coverage of the rescue of Iraqis stranded on Sinjar Mountain as reported by correspondent Ivan Watson. Can't offer enough praise for Watson and his crew whose dramatic images will have a huge impact on public opinion. I will provide a link to Watson's most recent report when a link is available.
NO US troops, UNLESS, we intend to take out the enemy. We have lost FAR too many and screwed up FAR too many to do it over. We will NOT care for those we mess up and we will NEVER finish the job. All we will do is destroy a lot of American lives and accomplish nothing.
They will win, unless we defeat them. The American people, and our so called leaders, do not have the will to do that.
They will win, unless we defeat them. The American people, and our so called leaders, do not have the will to do that.
Why does the phrase "entangling alliances" keep popping into my head?
I dunno. I just don't know.
Don't you get it those decisions are not mine and I will not waste my day considering them. You can get all deep in thought if you like but it isn't going to affect what is done. No general or politician is going to be ringing your phone for your input.
My last response was a direct answer to your statement claiming I made an emotional statement
Genocide cannot be allowed the what ifs or how to will not have a thing to do with any theory I or you post on eo.
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I think we are selective in what we want to get involved in. We don't want genocide in Iraq yet we let Assad kill thousands of his own people. Just a thought to ponder. I think media and politics drive all this stuff. Just like the 200 kids kidnapped in Africa. Front page news and then it disappeared.
Same with this unless they launch an attack here. As mentioned earlier, I think we are going to be here for awhile.
Same with this unless they launch an attack here. As mentioned earlier, I think we are going to be here for awhile.
How many American deaths are "OK"? How many American lives are "OK" to ruin not to finish the job?
Do you REALLY think this will be ended? Do you REALLY think that Obama has the "guts" to take out what needs taken out to finish this? Do you REALLY believe, based on our history over the past 60 years, and Obama's history, that we will stay long enough and do enough, to destroy the enemy? IF NOT, STAY HOME.
NO MORE BS'N around with this. We have NOT finished ANYTHING we have started since WWII and all we have accomplished is got 10's of thousands of US service members killed and just as many ruined lives and we are RIGHT where we started.
We have the RIGHT and DUTY to make sure that our leaders DO NOT WASTE ANY MORE AMERICAN LIVES PLAYING GAMES!
WE HAVE to ponder this. It is the lack of pondering that has got us here.
I doubt if 1 out of 100,000 Americans have the will to do what needs done. I KNOW our president does not, he has proven that already.
Do you REALLY think this will be ended? Do you REALLY think that Obama has the "guts" to take out what needs taken out to finish this? Do you REALLY believe, based on our history over the past 60 years, and Obama's history, that we will stay long enough and do enough, to destroy the enemy? IF NOT, STAY HOME.
NO MORE BS'N around with this. We have NOT finished ANYTHING we have started since WWII and all we have accomplished is got 10's of thousands of US service members killed and just as many ruined lives and we are RIGHT where we started.
We have the RIGHT and DUTY to make sure that our leaders DO NOT WASTE ANY MORE AMERICAN LIVES PLAYING GAMES!
WE HAVE to ponder this. It is the lack of pondering that has got us here.
I doubt if 1 out of 100,000 Americans have the will to do what needs done. I KNOW our president does not, he has proven that already.
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We will be at it until it's over.
Our enemy will be at it long after we are all dead, they have the will to wait us out. They KNOW we will just get a lot of American's killed, and then cut and run when it gets tough. Then they will just start up again, with fewer to fight.
We have, and will, continue to allow genocide, and mass murder, to go on all over the world, just as we have always done in the past.
Here's a link to a report filed earlier today by CNN's Ivan Watson:
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We own the mess in Iraq, we made promises to the Iraqi people. We must help those needing evacuation from Mount Sinjar. This is genocide happening in real time before our eyes.
CNN Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
We own the mess in Iraq, we made promises to the Iraqi people. We must help those needing evacuation from Mount Sinjar. This is genocide happening in real time before our eyes.
And then? Do you believe this will end? It will not.
There have been many attempts at genocide and millions upon millions killed right before our eyes, and we either never stop them or we don't finish the job.
This time will be no different.
I am not that cynical just yet. We have a moral duty to save as many innocent Iraqis as possible from slaughter by ISIS. In effect, Iraq has fallen under our protection. Obama's decision to withdraw from Iraq did not negate our obligations. Save as many as possible as quickly as possible. ISIS will have to be dealt with such hellish force as to make them wish they had never been born. It is the only language savages understand.
How many more American lives should be lost, or ruined, without finishing what we set out to do? Are we going to continue to not provide proper care for those who's lives are ruined and still not finish the job?
There are MANY Iraqi's would just as soon spit on your grave as ask for our help. We are not "loved" there, never have been.
As I have been said before, we will NOT finish the job. We WILL cut and run, just as we have been doing ever since the end of WWII.
There will never be peace in iraq, if there is a single person left to fight, but we are at fault for this, we removed saddam from power, he had those people so afraid of him they knew better than to act up, but with him gone there is nothing to stop them.
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It's kinda like exterminating, when you see bugs you put the bug stuff out and their gone for a while then when you see them again you have to do it again.
It's a once a year job here at the house trying to keep those pesky terrorist away aka bugs.
Except it's our sons and daughters who's lives will be wasted. WE WILL NOT FINISH THE JOB. We WILL cut and run, as we always do. We WILL NOT care for the wounded as we should, we have PROVEN that we do not provide the care needed.
Either go in, bomb the entire area back to the year 1156, or stay home. We can no longer afford to waste the lives or the money kitty footing around.
Either go in, bomb the entire area back to the year 1156, or stay home. We can no longer afford to waste the lives or the money kitty footing around.
We should bring everyone home and control our borders. Of course, that will never happen either. Our "Supreme Leader" has NO intention of controlling, OR defending, our borders.
He is not going to disappoint future voters.