You mean there is a mini Turtle running around out there somewhere?
Turtles and running present a VERY funny picture!
You mean there is a mini Turtle running around out there somewhere?
Correct - it isn't a matter of when does "life" begin so much as it's a matter of when does personhood begin ... ?Me, too. I don't think anybody said it wasn't. Life begins at conception, I don't think there is very much debate on that.
It's not PC mumbo jumbo at all ... and you might actually know that ... had you actually bothered to read the article that I linked ... an article which discusses both sides of the argument and the historical context (legal, philosophical, and religious) that the argument has occurred in ...More PC mumbo jumbo bs diverting the issue of pro life or pro death.
Well, I would consider you as one of the world's foremost authorities in the matter of suffering from fecal encephalopathy ... certainly from a highly personal perspective and long experience ...Just the kind of thing sufferers of fecal encephalopathy are easily distracted by.
More PC mumbo jumbo bs diverting the issue of pro life or pro death. Just the kind of thing sufferers of fecal encephalopathy are easily distracted by.
Looks like life to me. View attachment 6611
Mumbo jumbo and fecal encephalopathy. that's rich. You wanna talk mumbo jumbo by people suffering from fecal encephalopathy, talk to someone with a religious objection to abortion, especially a Christian, most of whom have their head so far up their rectal cavity that a tractor couldn't pull it out.
The problem with the religious objection to abortion, Christians in particular, is credibility. Or rather, the complete lack thereof. For thousands of years, including Biblical times, there was no religious objection to abortion by Christians. None. Then, in the 1800s a small group of Puritanical descendents with Puritanical values decided they needed another hobby horse to ride roughshod over people in order to control them and tell them what to do and how to live their lives.
There is a deep-seeded, insatiable need in many Christians to mind other people's business and tell them what to do. They can't help themselves. So, on their own, they invented, literally invented, a heretofore unknown religious objection to abortion. It's amazing what people can accomplish in the name of the Lord.
They had to to use a fine-toothed comb to sift through the Bible and come up with passages (all of them out of context, of course) which can be interpreted to saddle their hobby horse. It wasn't too hard, though, since if you try hard enough, you can interpret the Bible to say anything you want it to. Never mind that on any important issue the Bible is unambiguously clear, you know, like the Ten Commandments, but on abortion, such an oh, so important issue, the Bible chooses to speak in muddled parables slathered with vague, cryptic inexplicitness that could just as easily be interpreted as the ball scores from last Thursday.
The Bible doesn't mention abortion, not even once. It does mention, in clear unambiguous terms, when your life as a person begins. Genisis 2:7 is astoundingly clear on that one. Soon as you can breathe, you're a person. Soon as you stop breathing, you're not.
One of my favorite passages that people use to "prove" the Bible says you're a real live person in the womb is one that is always chopped off and out of context:
"The LORD called me from the womb. From the innermost parts of my mother, God named me..."
Yet they always avoid the fact that the partial quote is the nation of Israel talking, not an individual. The full context is here, and it's got nothing to do with a fetus.
It's no coincidence that Christians are likened to a flock of sheep, a characterization they embrace. They will generally believe what they are told, without question, and will go and do what they are told, just like sheep. They're told abortion is bad, and it says so right here in the Bible, and they go, "Uhm, OK. Sure!"
Exodus 21:22-25 describes a case where a pregnant woman jumps into a fight between her husband and another man and suffers injuries that cause her to miscarry. Injuries to the woman prompt the normal penalties for harming another human being: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life and all that. Killing the woman is murder, a capital crime. The miscarriage, however, is treated very differently - as a property loss, not murder. The assailant must pay a fine to the husband. The law of a life for a life does not apply. The fetus is important, but it's not human life in the same way the woman is. Christians like to not-pick and not-choose that one.
There is no valid, authentic, bona fine, compelling and convincing religious objection to abortion. Not a single supporting Biblical passage stands up to even the most cursory objective scrutiny. It is an invented objection born of the need to control people and tell them what to do, and it's one that is accepted unquestionably by the sheep. So when Christians use religion and God's Word to steadfastly tell you the absolute truth about abortion, they're full of crap.
to this date there is no scientific evidence God even exists....it is all hearsay and old wives tales....which makes all religions null and void...bunch of old ninnies...
Somehow, that little baby without the umbilical stub doesn't look dead, yet 12-week fetuses cannot live. Here is a picture of what a 12week fetus looks like (also, see the links regarding that pic)
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12-week fetus - snopes.com
Trick-or-treat fetus models - Jill Stanek
There is also no scientific evidence that God does NOT exist. Which makes those who don't believe a bunch of old ninnies who relish in ridiculing everything that THEY don't believe in.
Science does not have a very good record either. If it did Washington D.C. would now have been under water since the year 2000 due to "global warming".
Scientists are real like religious leaders some are quacks
I will call them what I want an old ninnie or an old fart...same thing
It is the context in which the "term of endearment" is used. When used to ridicule neither is good. Keep that in mind.
Do you have the same advice for someone who refers to liberal members on here (I'm sure there are some) as "morons" and different terms he Google's to basically call them feces?
Pro life, pro death. Those are the two choices. The left loves to create new vocabulary and to redefine things to cloak the true definitions and intentions which would be received and supported in a far less enthusiastic way. They count on gullibility and being able to lead others down their desired path by doing so. There is no pro choice in this hunt, just pro life or pro death.
Well, I would consider you as one of the world's foremost authorities in the matter of suffering from fecal encephalopathy ... certainly from a highly personal perspective and long experience ...
what a woman chooses to do with her own womb