Another Military travesty

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witness23

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I wonder Cherri, (I am NOT trying to be a smart butt) How will you handle it IF your daughter is assigned to a job that requires a security clearance? It seems, on the surface, that you might have a mistrust of those who handle classified material. Would you trust your daughter? Will you get upset if she refuses to talk about those things with you? It could happen you know. It is even likely. MANY military MOS's require security clearances. I am asking this, again not to be a smart butt, but I really want to know how you might handle it? You KNOW that she could not legally discuss those things with you, how will you react? Had you thought about this? She would even be REQUIRED BY LAW to report you IF you pressed her for information. (not saying that you would) She could even find herself in my old work. I find this an interesting side bar. It would no longer be "the other guy". I would love to know your thoughts.

I started reading the thread and came across the above and had to stop and comment. I'm sure cheri will be outraged, outraged I tell you if her daughter doesn't talk to her about things she shouldn't be talking about. What kind of question is that? If you have that kind of view of cheri you truly are dillusional:confused:

Now hopefully, when I go back the thread cheri hasn't responded in the opposite :eek:
 
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x06col

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Well now, we have a spirited thread. Seems to me the comments are pretty evenly split between those that have a clue and the clueless. Kinda like an election. Ain't America butifull?????
 

Brisco

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Well now, we have a spirited thread. Seems to me the comments are pretty evenly split between those that have a clue and the clueless. Kinda like an election. Ain't America butifull?????

Evenly split? Not really.............

The comments brought forth against this travesty, civilians relieving a Ships Captain, far outweigh the ones that agree with it. Probably 70-80% are against it, it's just the other 20-30% that agree with it are speaking and posting more than the others are.

Yes, it is like an election. Those that believe in the process do their rightful duty and vote only once, while the others that believe their way should be the way for everyone, vote as many times as they can without getting caught.

BTW, America is bootifull, not butifull. ;)
 

Brisco

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OH, 3-4 pages back someone made a comment against me telling the blossomed one to "get out of the soapbox", that I did not say.(I'm not going to dig to see who said it) I asked the blossomed one to "get OFF the soapbox" with their comments towards/against an institution they never served in.
 

Turtle

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layoutshooter

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I started reading the thread and came across the above and had to stop and comment. I'm sure cheri will be outraged, outraged I tell you if her daughter doesn't talk to her about things she shouldn't be talking about. What kind of question is that? If you have that kind of view of cheri you truly are dillusional:confused:

Now hopefully, when I go back the thread cheri hasn't responded in the opposite :eek:

You are about as far off base as you ever have been of late. I was asking serious questions. MANY spouses/fathers and mothers of people in my former business had "problems" when they could not talk about what they were doing. My mother did for one. It was known to cause a lot of marriage break ups. One spouse could NOT handle the other NOT talking about what they did at work. It is NOT the normal state in families. I was posting mainly to assist Cheri in thinking on the subject. It is not as easy for many as you might think. I hope that Cheri took it as meant.
 

layoutshooter

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I think someooooone has a cruuuuush.

I am only saying what everyone is thinking.

This kind of personal "garbage" has NO place in these forums. You owe everyone involved an apology at the very lest. To think this kind of evil post would come off the keyboard of a person of your religious beliefs is surprising to say the least. I once thought that, while I often disagree with your ideas, you were a man of honor and integrity. Seems that idea might have been incorrect.
 

witness23

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This kind of personal "garbage" has NO place in these forums. You owe everyone involved an apology at the very lest. To think this kind of evil post would come off the keyboard of a person of your religious beliefs is surprising to say the least. I once thought that, while I often disagree with your ideas, you were a man of honor and integrity. Seems that idea might have been incorrect.

Awwww......lighten' up Francis! It was a friggen' joke and you know it. Don't even try to start some sort of "witch hunt" over that comment.
 

layoutshooter

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Awwww......lighten' up Francis! It was a friggen' joke and you know it. Don't even try to start some sort of "witch hunt" over that comment.


It is NOT a joke and you know it. I suggest that you not threaten me again as you did above. You are WAY out of line. By the way, I DON'T stat "witch hunts" YOU SIR, should be ashamed.
 

witness23

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It is NOT a joke and you know it. I suggest that you not threaten me again as you did above. You are WAY out of line. By the way, I DON'T stat "witch hunts" YOU SIR, should be ashamed.

Ohhhhh.....so you're the mind reader now? I got it. It was a joke, you just didn't find it funny. Please, please show me where I threatened you. Before you make yourself look any more foolish with your comments, I would suggest you count to 10 before you post a response.
 

layoutshooter

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Ohhhhh.....so you're the mind reader now? I got it. It was a joke, you just didn't find it funny. Please, please show me where I threatened you. Before you make yourself look any more foolish with your comments, I would suggest you count to 10 before you post a response.

"Don't even try to start some sort of "witch hunt" over that comment."

Your remarks I believe?

You are out of line.
 

witness23

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"Don't even try to start some sort of "witch hunt" over that comment."

Your remarks I believe?

You are out of line.

If anyone is out of line, it is you sir. It was a joke and there was no other intent of that post, other than it being a joke. Witch Hunt is threatening?

Calling my post "evil", bringing my "religious beliefs" and questioning my honor and integrity is nothing short of cowardice on your part.
 

Turtle

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FWIW, I didn't see it as a joke, either. I saw it as jab at the person, rather than at the topic at hand.
 

chefdennis

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A joke?? Well I thought it was at a minimum in poor taste since Both of the people that it referenced travel with their spouses in the ruck with them.....I am with Turtle, I thought it was a jab....:rolleyes:
 

cheri1122

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Not even close. He was relieved because the Navy had to put a politically correct face on something that never should have been made public, because the public at large would not be able to understand it (as clearly evidenced by some of the posts in this thread), and it became public.
Oh, we [the public] understand it - pretty tough to misunderstand the commander's scorn for those he addresses as ":censoredsign:s', and those who were too "gutless" to tell him directly how they felt [as if!].
He failed to behave as an officer or a gentleman, recorded it on film, and then [and not with affectionate regard, either] calls those who were insulted 'gutless'. How stupid can one be, in his position?




You mean kinda like this?
So we've got an EO member telling another EO member to keep their mouth shut, and then calling them "cupcake". That's pretty rude, offending and insulting.
That was funny, no matter the context. :D

Of course, when taken out of context, as it is here, it sure seems that way. <snort> But in context it wasn't insulting or rude at all. See how easy it is to make a judgment about someone you know nothing about when you view something out of context?
Perhaps one image from the vid, or one quote, could be misinterpreted, but taken all together, no. The commander deliberately and maliciously insulted some of those under his command, with no provocation or justification.


Anyone who might be offended, like those not on-board ship? Nurses are allowed gallows humor to lighten things up and to cope, but people on board a warship deployed in a time of war are not? Is that how it works?
I believe I said nurses [among others, including soldiers] use gallows humor, but carefully, because to misuse it [causing complaints] would have cost our jobs, and we knew it. Shouldn't a commander soooo far above my pay grade know what might cost his job?
Sailors are certainly entitled to enjoy humor, including gallows and/or black humor, providing it isn't meant to be seen by those who would naturally be offended. The videos [which, btw, seemed a great tool, with lots of 'inside' jokes] are NOT the problem. The issue is what [and who] the commander thought ok to make insulting reference to: members of the troops he commanded.
That is not acceptable, in or out of context.


Not according to those who served under him, and certainly not until the videos were made public by someone as yet unknown. As Jammin' said, "The only discredit he is bringing is in the eye of the PC crowd."
You may label it PC [and labeling is a favorite method of dismissing people, isn't it?] but most would call it civility: refraining from amusing oneself & others at someone else's expense.


Actually, it may very well do just that. If it loosens people up, lightens the mood, boosts morale, and makes them better prepared to fight mentally, rather than being wound so tight that their springs just snap under the stress, a few harmless jokes may very well go a long way towards winning the war.
Harmless? I seem to remember some jokes here awhile back about Turtle soup, that many found harmless, but you didn't, did you?

Yes, it is.

Yes, there is. Those above him have a clear understanding of political correctness and how it relates to the politically correct culture that makes up far too large a part of the citizenry.


I guess even the best of us can slip off that moral high ground once in a while, eh?

Oh, yes, absolutely, because it's not enough to relieve him of command due to politically correct attitudes that have no basis in reality, we also need Captain Cretin Dipward Retard's head to be on a pike, and as many others as we have room for.
If civility has no basis in reality, all the more reason to keep trying, IMO.

Meanwhile, our enemies are sitting back plotting and licking their chops, waiting for the "feminization of the American male" to fully engulf the military.
Treating fellow humans, particularly subordinates with respect and civility is 'feminization'?
If you say so, but I wouldn't get your undies in a bunch over it, cos our Founding Fathers promoted the bejeebers out of the concept, and we're nowhere near feminized, even after 230 years.
 
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