RLENT
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Quite simply, IMHO, to the institution he was a part of .... he harmed the institution .... he brought discredit upon it ....
Another Military travesty
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"And BTW, just for those who seem to be confused about the matter - the purpose of the military/armed forces is: to defend this nation"
Not the Nation, the Constitution. The oath is taken to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies both foreign AND domestic.
Domestic can mean ANYONE or ANY group that seeks to overthrow our Constitution.
NO ONE takes an oath to defend the Nation. No one takes an oath to defend the president or congress.
Not the Nation, the Constitution. The oath is taken to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies both foreign AND domestic.
Domestic can mean ANYONE or ANY group that seeks to overthrow our Constitution.
NO ONE takes an oath to defend the Nation. No one takes an oath to defend the president or congress.
LOSer, fyi: my daughter already knows how to shoot a rifle, and has the trophy to prove it. I expect her skill will be improved even more, and she'll appreciate that.
LOL!! I hope she shoots well,!! (now for some military humor) Learn how to shoot in the NAVY?, now THAT is FUNNY!! The Navy don't even know what end of a rifle the round comes out of!! (a lot like Obama in that respect!!)
RLENT
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In some instances yes, certainly - but they also provide a deterrent.
So you could say that, that by simply existing, the military defends the nation.
Sometimes more than mere existence is required, sometimes it's takes overt action.
Not in the sense that you probably mean it .... but in another sense they certainly are: by their existence alone, they have the capacity to prevent war.
Which is not to say that corrupt men, in either the civilian or military ranks are otherwise beyond using the military for nefarious and illicit purposes ....
RLENT
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Omigawd ........ are you really frickin' serious ?
I suppose that you think the Constitution is ... a piece of paper .... ?
Is your understanding truly that deficient ?
Look up the definition of the word constitution (small "c") .... and then read the writings of the Founding Fathers and observe the manner in which they used the word, and how they treated it in what they said and wrote .... <shaking head>
jaminjim
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I think he was referring to your analysis Of the Commander. I won't say a load of crap but just say you're misguided on the subject.
In the Military it simply means a commissioned officer. Funny thing if you are an enlisted man you can't be a gentleman.
The only discredit he is bringing is in the eye of the PC crowd.
perhaps spanish would be a better choice based on the Dream Act.
It might be better if we could run several people thru Basic training instead, some of that sensitivity might be put in prospective.
Gay jokes won't, but in the Navy some might pickup some helpful tips on that masturbation thing. Doesn't a joke about people normally insult someone, or someone's quirks?Possibly one of the more dimwitted comments I've seen recently ... so you really figure that gay jokes and simulated masturbation is gonna win the war, do ya ?
What it takes is keeping your men loose and ready to fight.
It's odd that in this conversation you say (imply) that they are there because they are the brightest and best leaders..... You are not naive enough to think that they got there on there ability to lead warriors..... are you?
Aren't you the one that constantly reminds us that it is the Civilians that control the Military?
Yep.
Please see above.
Have to agree for the most part.
Nope it is the fact that people are blowing it way the heII out of proporiton.
It ain't.
All because of a Gay joke.
Finally we can totally agree.Nice job there Owen
Now you are calling him names, that are equal to what he did. Maybe we can get Chris Matthews to investigate, heck he is offended by just about anybody or thing.
And that would be plain stupid.
jaminjim
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potato patatoe. I'm not confused.Yeah .... pretty funny ... how the actual purpose of something can be confused, by some (even those who were apparently served) with what is, at least to some extent, the activity of it
Purpose and activity are not the same thing.
In my opinion the military is to provide a deterrent, If that fails and our leaders say go, they kill people.
jaminjim
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I'm going to guess that you just forgot to add soldiers in that mix.In medical terminology, a cabbage isn't dead - just their brain.
Much like those who find nothing wrong with humiliating undeserving people, for no good reason, even.
Had any one who could have been hurt, upset, or offended heard me say such things, and complained, I'd have been fired. Deservedly.
Every person who works with tragedy, accidents, and death, has to cope with it somehow - gallows or black humor is a universal mechanism for that, used by police, firefighters, paramedics, doctors, etc, but NEVER when or where it could be overheard by anyone who would be [rightfully] upset.
PS Very often, the new nurses were worse than the rest, cos they had fresh jokes.
Not even close. He was relieved because the Navy had to put a politically correct face on something that never should have been made public, because the public at large would not be able to understand it (as clearly evidenced by some of the posts in this thread), and it became public.
You mean kinda like this?
So we've got an EO member telling another EO member to keep their mouth shut, and then calling them "cupcake". That's pretty rude, offending and insulting.
Of course, when taken out of context, as it is here, it sure seems that way. <snort> But in context it wasn't insulting or rude at all. See how easy it is to make a judgment about someone you know nothing about when you view something out of context?
Anyone who might be offended, like those not on-board ship? Nurses are allowed gallows humor to lighten things up and to cope, but people on board a warship deployed in a time of war are not? Is that how it works?
Not according to those who served under him, and certainly not until the videos were made public by someone as yet unknown. As Jammin' said, "The only discredit he is bringing is in the eye of the PC crowd."
Actually, it may very well do just that. If it loosens people up, lightens the mood, boosts morale, and makes them better prepared to fight mentally, rather than being wound so tight that their springs just snap under the stress, a few harmless jokes may very well go a long way towards winning the war.Possibly one of the more dimwitted comments I've seen recently ... so you really figure that gay jokes and simulated masturbation is gonna win the war, do ya ?
Yes, it is.
Yes, there is. Those above him have a clear understanding of political correctness and how it relates to the politically correct culture that makes up far too large a part of the citizenry.
I guess even the best of us can slip off that moral high ground once in a while, eh?
Oh, yes, absolutely, because it's not enough to relieve him of command due to politically correct attitudes that have no basis in reality, we also need Captain Cretin Dipward Retard's head to be on a pike, and as many others as we have room for.
Meanwhile, our enemies are sitting back plotting and licking their chops, waiting for the "feminization of the American male" to fully engulf the military.
RLENT
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Could very well be ...
Sorry, but I don't think so - but you are certainly entitled to your opinion - reasonable people might disagree
No, I don't think that's quite accurate. I think it would be correct to say however that all officers should be gentlemen - which of course is a higher standard of conduct, than not being one.
Again, I don't think that's actually true - anyone can decide to be a gentleman - all it takes is the decision and then doing so.
If you are aware of some military law, regulation, or rule which says that no one other than an officer can be a gentleman, I'd love to read of it.
FWIW ... just another man's opinion:
And the guy that wrote that was the real deal ....
jaminjim
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Still does.
Didn't notice that but there were a few less than tasteful remarks.
Only if you allow it to distract you. Come on join the debate, I'm interested in your take on this subject.
RLENT
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Special Forces Detachment A-502 - 1970 Closing TeamI tried the Google thing and had no luck,
Back row, third from the right .. guy's name is George "Sonny" Hoffman .....
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Well, if one can't do that, a little subdued character assassination is always a good second option
And sometimes it's not even all that subdued.Well, if one can't do that, a little subdued character assassination is always a good second option
What I find very interesting, telling, and a little sad and pathetic is, we've got some extraordinarily bad things going on, like the CIA and related military Black Ops operations where innocent people as a result of mistaken identity, and others without due process who are only suspected of being terrorists, are kidnapped and taken to remote locations where they are tortured, and in a few cases have been allegedly killed, and precious few people are even mildly concerned about it, much less rightly outraged over it.
Instead, in a fit of politically correct rage, people are just rabidly frothy over irreverent humorous videos and jokes that might hurt a professional warrior's widdle feewings.
"Inappropriate" videos and jokes... versus... kidnapping, torture and murder.
Are you kiddin' me?!
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