An open letter to Oprah

[layoutshooter]

Vote ALL the BUMS out! There is no good to be found the the two criminal organizations we call Democrats or Republicans. Only corruption rules there.

There is NOTHING far LEFT or far RIGHT about the Constitution. The ONLY extremists are those who seek to circumvent or destroy it. Those who would usurp the rights and freedoms of the People, should be resisted by all means available, party not withstanding.

 

[paullud]

You have a point. The Republican party is divided that's for sure. My observation is about the people I see on public forums such as this. Old school Republicans aren't saying much if they're even around. The Tea Party still has a very strong presence (or at least a very loud voice).

People that put the truth first will slam both parties. Surely there's enough blame to go around. Isn't it a gigantic red flag when someone criticizes one party 24/7? Isn't that a signal that they've been drinking the koolaid?

There weren't many fans of GW here because he was a pretty bad leader overall. There were things about him that I liked and things that I disliked, especially the ridiculous spending. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq but now that we broke it we need to fix it, and hopefully learn to stay out of the region. I think you see a lot of anti-Obama things going on because he has the seat right now and most people don't agree with his politics. He is also continuing the presidency of Bush on the worst levels with the mid-east, corporations, and the global community.

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[davekc]

Up to this point I think Obama may actually be the worst president we have had. Carter currently holds the crown but at least he thought he was doing the right thing.
Obama just keeps on lying his way through on just about every issue.
Oops.....I meant EVERY issue.

 

[aquitted]

I think we ought to shoot first and ask questions later. Oh wait a minute what forum is this?

 

[RLENT]

This surprises you? Maybe you haven't been around long enough to consider the source...

It's part of the pathology of "being Leo" ...

 

[Turtle]

Up to this point I think Obama may actually be the worst president we have had. Carter currently holds the crown but at least he thought he was doing the right thing.
Obama just keeps on lying his way through on just about every issue.
Oops.....I meant EVERY issue.

I think Carter had it up until, oh, about five years ago when Obama took the crown when he dolled out $800 billion with a B for "shovel-ready" projects that didn't exist, and the money just evaporated with no measurable economic benefit. Since, then Carter looks good by comparison. Fast and Furious, targeted drone assassinations of US citizens abroad without due process, ballooning the deficit, Obamacare, Eric Holder, Bengazi, Cash for Clunkers, batting a thousand on “green” companies like Solyndra, NextEra, Ener1, Solar Trust and many others... all of which went bankrupt, gave $529 million to Fisker Automotive to build their Karma hybrid electric cars, even though they are manufactured in Finland, cost over $100,000 each, and tend to explode, militarily intervened in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act, which is technically an impeachable offense, in a primary debate against Hillary Clinton in 2008, Obama said he would never force people to buy health insurance, since those without it couldn’t afford to buy it, and less than 2 years later we all know what he did with that one, staunchly opposed raising the national debt limit - right up until he was elected to his first term, used the IRS as a pit bull, the NSA scandal after scandal after scandal that still hasn't all come to light, set up three different "spy on your neighbors and report them to me" programs, instructed NASA to focus on "Muslim outreach" rather than scientific and space exploration, appointed and classified his own minor daughters as "senior staff members" so their trips would be paid for by taxpayers....

It's a long list and I've only scratched the surface, but I'll end with my personal favorite... Obama is the only president who has received the CIA intelligence Presidential Daily Briefings to skip out on more than ten percent of them overall. Ten percent is a fairly common figure, with Carter, Clinton, Ford, Reagan, and Junior all skipping about ten percent of the PDBs, usually on weekend or on days when nothing much has changed since the previous day. But Obama, on the other hand, reigns supreme, skipping out on a full sixty percent of the PDBs. If you've wondered why he seems clueless most of the time, there ya go.

 

[davekc]

Well....now that you added all that, I agree, the crown has been passed.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

To think the people came to arms and made their own country, over less then a 2% tax hike....just saying

 

[paullud]

To think the people came to arms and made their own country, over less then a 2% tax hike....just saying

The funny thing was that the tax was being imposed by the king to recover the money he had spent protecting us from the French.

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[layoutshooter]

To think the people came to arms and made their own country, over less then a 2% tax hike....just saying

It was not just the tax. There were several other more important issues. One of the most important being the idea that each individual has the right to self determination and the the People have control over their government. Then there was the idea that being born into a family somehow gave them power over others that was rejected. Along with the idea that government has the authority to grant, restrict or remove rights from the People. The tax was just the last straw.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

It was not just the tax. There were several other more important issues. One of the most important being the idea that each individual has the right to self determination and the the People have control over their government. Then there was the idea that being born into a family somehow gave them power over others that was rejected. Along with the idea that government has the authority to grant, restrict or remove rights from the People. The tax was just the last straw.

Well that whole idea was and IS a miserable failure right from the git go....

 

[layoutshooter]

Well that whole idea was and IS a miserable failure right from the git go....

No, it is not. Those dreams still live in millions of liberty loving Americans. Sooner or later enough buttons will be pushed the wrong way and they will push back. It is only the weak of mind and soul who reject those ideas. Living in a society that requires self determination is not for the weak. Those who would destroy that society prey on the weak and lazy, exploiting their lack of fortitude, to control those who would chose to live in freedom.

Those who don't like those ideas are welcome to leave. We don't need slackers. We have far too many now. We don't need more handouts to improve life here, we need less. We don't need anymore leaches, we have enough. We need people with strength of character, drive, and the determination to be self reliant. All those who cannot live up to those ideas, assuming they are of normal health and mind, are nothing more than anchors holding us back.

 

[witness23]

The left is bound to get hammered right now because they are making all the decisions.

Not too sure about that. Christie, who the far right and the Tea Party can't stand just won his election.

The Democrat McCauliffe just beat the heavily backed Tea Party candidate Cuccinelli in Virginia. Virginia also elected the Democrat Ralph Northram for the state Lieutenant Governor over the Tea Party Republican E.W. Jackson. For some real entertainment look up some of the stuff Mr. Jackson had to say to see why he lost that race.

In New York they just elected a Democratic Mayor de Blasio, the first Democrat mayor that city has seen in 20 years.

Not too mention other State and Local elections between Conservative Republicans and the "Tea Party" Republicans or, if you will, the far right fringe candidates and you'll find them losing to the more moderate Republicans.

Then you have the Congressianal race between two Republicans in Louisiana between Vance McCallister and State Sen. Neil Riser. Riser the typical Tea Party guy against the more moderate McCallister who is calling for Louisiana to expand Medicaid in the state (ooooh, the Tea Party hates that) who also campaigned on immigration reform (Now that's a big no-no for the Tea Party). Guess who won, yep, the more moderate, sane sounding McCallister.

 

[layoutshooter]

Not too sure about that. Christie, who the far right and the Tea Party can't stand just won his election.

The Democrat McCauliffe just beat the heavily backed Tea Party candidate Cuccinelli in Virginia. Virginia also elected the Democrat Ralph Northram for the state Lieutenant Governor over the Tea Party Republican E.W. Jackson. For some real entertainment look up some of the stuff Mr. Jackson had to say to see why he lost that race.

In New York they just elected a Democratic Mayor de Blasio, the first Democrat mayor that city has seen in 20 years.

Not too mention other State and Local elections between Conservative Republicans and the "Tea Party" Republicans or, if you will, the far right fringe candidates and you'll find them losing to the more moderate Republicans.

Then you have the Congressianal race between two Republicans in Louisiana between Vance McCallister and State Sen. Neil Riser. Riser the typical Tea Party guy against the more moderate McCallister who is calling for Louisiana to expand Medicaid in the state (ooooh, the Tea Party hates that) who also campaigned on immigration reform (Now that's a big no-no for the Tea Party). Guess who won, yep, the more moderate, sane sounding McCallister.

What part of the "Tea Party" platform is "Far Right"? What part of the "moderate Republican's" ideas are "conservative"? What do you call "Far Right Fringe" candidates? What is a "moderate"? What is the Constitution? Right, left, or center? If one chooses to abandon the Constitution and work illegally outside of it, what are they? If one chooses to work legally within the framework of the Constitution. what are they?

Are you using classic terms to describe left, right, center, liberal or conservative or the modern usage? Is the classic or the modern right?

 

[paullud]

Not too sure about that. Christie, who the far right and the Tea Party can't stand just won his election.

The Democrat McCauliffe just beat the heavily backed Tea Party candidate Cuccinelli in Virginia. Virginia also elected the Democrat Ralph Northram for the state Lieutenant Governor over the Tea Party Republican E.W. Jackson. For some real entertainment look up some of the stuff Mr. Jackson had to say to see why he lost that race.

In New York they just elected a Democratic Mayor de Blasio, the first Democrat mayor that city has seen in 20 years.

Not too mention other State and Local elections between Conservative Republicans and the "Tea Party" Republicans or, if you will, the far right fringe candidates and you'll find them losing to the more moderate Republicans.

Then you have the Congressianal race between two Republicans in Louisiana between Vance McCallister and State Sen. Neil Riser. Riser the typical Tea Party guy against the more moderate McCallister who is calling for Louisiana to expand Medicaid in the state (ooooh, the Tea Party hates that) who also campaigned on immigration reform (Now that's a big no-no for the Tea Party). Guess who won, yep, the more moderate, sane sounding McCallister.

Cuccinelli was heavily backed? That would be news to him and the rest of the party, the Republican party did a very poor job backing him. The fact that the Tea Party isn't dominating elections should be surprising why? They are attempting to transform an entire party which will be a slow process.

McCallister also wants the ACA repealed and only favored the Medicaid expansion because he said the state can't afford to cover the cost of the ACA without federal money.

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[Turtle]

In New York they just elected a Democratic Mayor de Blasio, the first Democrat mayor that city has seen in 20 years.

Technically correct, sort of, but highly misleading. Michael Bloomberg, the current mayor and mayor since 2002 (not 20 years earlier) is and always has been a liberal Democrat in every sense of the term.

He was a Democrat before seeking elective office, and switched party registrations in 2001 to run for mayor on the Republican ticket because it was more politically advantageous (in order to succeed Republican Rudolph Guiliani) and expedient. After he won a second term in 2005 he left the Republican party, campaigned to change the city's term limits law, and was elected a third time in 2009 running on the Liberal line as an Independent on the Republican ballot. Even Guiliani was a liberal Democrat, even when he changed his party affiliation to Republican, and ran and governed on progressive liberal issues, same as Bloomberg.

The last Republican mayor that New York has had was La Guardia from 1934-1945, and even he was a staunch New Dealer and supporter of FDR, who wasn't even a little bit conservative. La Guardia made the city the model for New Deal welfare and public works programs. The only true conservative mayor New York has ever had was Ardolph Kline, who assumed the office by default in 1913 when the previous mayor died in office. Kline served for 113 days.

But as far the left not getting hammered right now because they're the ones making all the decisions (in Washington), not much in your posts really refutes that.

 

[Turtle]

What part of the "Tea Party" platform is "Far Right"?

The part that the far right co-opted and claimed as their own, which is most of it. The far right was, and still is, afraid of the Tea Party, so rather than let such an abomination destroy the status quo, they assimilated it into their own collective, thereby eliminating anything about the Tea Party that set it apart from the Republican party.

 

[layoutshooter]

The part that the far right co-opted and claimed as their own, which is most of it. The far right was, and still is, afraid of the Tea Party, so rather than let such an abomination destroy the status quo, they assimilated it into their own collective, thereby eliminating anything about the Tea Party that set it apart from the Republican party.

Far right? I don't see it. IF one uses the "standard" version of left and right, Hitler would be considered "far right" and Stalin, far left. What part of the Republican or the Tea parties is far right? The old guard of the Repubs is at best, a little left of center, at worst, quite a bit left. I just don's see much "right wing" activity going on.

 

[Turtle]

Far right? I don't see it. IF one uses the "standard" version of left and right, Hitler would be considered "far right" and Stalin, far left. What part of the Republican or the Tea parties is far right? The old guard of the Repubs is at best, a little left of center, at worst, quite a bit left. I just don's see much "right wing" activity going on.

There is no "standard" version or definition of "far right." The terms far right and extreme right merely apply to groups and ideologies that are further to the right of the mainstream center-right. While the term certainly applies to fascism and Naziism, it also applies to those who hold extreme nationalism, chauvinistic, xenophobic, racist and religious fundamentalist views. By far the most prevalent of those political positions in today's America is the religious fundamentalist views of the far right. And it is that very subset of the Republican party's far right that has co-opted the Tea party as their own.

The far right and the Tea Party have become synonymous thanks to the likes of the Sarah Palins, and of the now-former Virginia governor Cuccinelli who's far right religious views on abortion and birth control, typical for most who identify as Tea Partiers, got him voted out. Granted, equating immigration policy to effective pest control didn't really help him, either, but that position on immigration, that of extreme nationalism, is also part and parcel of the Tea party's far right position.

Here's a NY Times story that tells you right up from that the leaders of the Republican establishment are alarmed by the emergence of far-right Tea Party candidates. The article illustrates quite vividly how the Tea Party has become the far right wing of the Republican Party.

G.O.P. Weighs Limiting Clout of Right Wing

 

[layoutshooter]

There is no "standard" version or definition of "far right." The terms far right and extreme right merely apply to groups and ideologies that are further to the right of the mainstream center-right. While the term certainly applies to fascism and Naziism, it also applies to those who hold extreme nationalism, chauvinistic, xenophobic, racist and religious fundamentalist views. By far the most prevalent of those political positions in today's America is the religious fundamentalist views of the far right. And it is that very subset of the Republican party's far right that has co-opted the Tea party as their own.

The far right and the Tea Party have become synonymous thanks to the likes of the Sarah Palins, and of the now-former Virginia governor Cuccinelli who's far right religious views on abortion and birth control, typical for most who identify as Tea Partiers, got him voted out. Granted, equating immigration policy to effective pest control didn't really help him, either, but that position on immigration, that of extreme nationalism, is also part and parcel of the Tea party's far right position.

Here's a NY Times story that tells you right up from that the leaders of the Republican establishment are alarmed by the emergence of far-right Tea Party candidates. The article illustrates quite vividly how the Tea Party has become the far right wing of the Republican Party.

G.O.P. Weighs Limiting Clout of Right Wing

I would contend that, for the most part, the G.O.P. is very much left wing. I am not quite sure why being opposed to abortion is "right wing", other than many who often want abortion legal, tend to be left wing in the remainder of their views. I do agree that many who are in favor of legal abortion are "libertarian" in their views.

Immigration or invasion? Immigration implies a legal entry into the country. Many on the "left", party not withstanding, don't consider entering the county illegally a problem. Those who flaunt out laws are often equated to those who go through a prolonged process to enter legally. I don't consider that "extreme Nationalism" The United States has a right to control it's borders and who may, or may not, or how, or how not, anyone may enter this country. One of the most basic rights of a sovereign nation is the right to determine who may, or may not, become a citizen. I would go as far as to contend that those who would grant legal status to people who willingly and knowningly broke the laws of this Nation as part of the problem.

I find that most of those who are "pro-choice", "pro-immigration" tend to be in many ways opposed to the Constitution. They are often opposed to much of the Bill of Rights. They don't want people to provide identification to vote but want to require background checks to own a firearm.