An open letter to Oprah

[Turtle]

If you think the GOP is very much left wing, then I got nothing.

Equating an effective immigration policy to that of an effective method of pest control, would be considered by most people to be extreme nationalism, since, you know, the most effective method of pest control is extermination of the pests. He was complaining about the D.C. laws that dealt with rats, and racoons, and other animals. He got it wrong, but he said, "The D.C. City Council passed a new law — a triumph of animal rights over human health — where those pest control people you suggested they bring in aren't allowed to kill the rat. They have to relocate the rat and not only that, that's actually not the worst part: They cannot break up the families of the rat. Now, as actual experts in pest control will tell you, if you don't move an animal about 25 miles, it'll come back. And so, what's the solution to that? Well, cross a river. Anyway, it is worse than our immigration policy — you can't break up rat families. Or raccoons and all the rest and you can't even kill them. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable."

That was back in January. In subsequent months he reiterated that our immigration policy needs to be just as effective as an effective pest control policy. Even when given a chance to do so, he refused to detail whether he meant relocating immigrants far enough away that they won't come back, or if he advocated killing them and being done with it. Either way he doesn't come off sounding very smart. He only recently, like a few weeks ago, took down his Immigration Control Web site that drove home the correlation between pest control and a sound immigration policy.

 

[layoutshooter]

I did not equate immigration control to pest control, some dweeb did. True control of our borders is not "right wing", nor is it "left wing", it is one of the most basic rights of a sovereign nation.

Yes, for the most part, I see today's G.O.P. as left wing. They, just as the Democrats, ignore the Constitution. Spending money on and expand left wing socialist programs. Many of them want to impose controls on our Rights, even going as far as licence some of them. What else would one call them?

 

[RLENT]

Far right? I don't see it.

Perceptions of what is might just be colored by the viewpoint one is looking from ...

 

[muttly]

If you think the GOP is very much left wing, then I got nothing.

Equating an effective immigration policy to that of an effective method of pest control, would be considered by most people to be extreme nationalism, since, you know, the most effective method of pest control is extermination of the pests. He was complaining about the D.C. laws that dealt with rats, and racoons, and other animals. He got it wrong, but he said, "The D.C. City Council passed a new law — a triumph of animal rights over human health — where those pest control people you suggested they bring in aren't allowed to kill the rat. They have to relocate the rat and not only that, that's actually not the worst part: They cannot break up the families of the rat. Now, as actual experts in pest control will tell you, if you don't move an animal about 25 miles, it'll come back. And so, what's the solution to that? Well, cross a river. Anyway, it is worse than our immigration policy — you can't break up rat families. Or raccoons and all the rest and you can't even kill them. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable."

That was back in January. In subsequent months he reiterated that our immigration policy needs to be just as effective as an effective pest control policy. Even when given a chance to do so, he refused to detail whether he meant relocating immigrants far enough away that they won't come back, or if he advocated killing them and being done with it. Either way he doesn't come off sounding very smart. He only recently, like a few weeks ago, took down his Immigration Control Web site that drove home the correlation between pest control and a sound immigration policy.

. The reference to Cuccinelli's immigration stance is incorrect and was taken out of context. He was commenting that the DC pest control policy of the goverment was MORE HUMANE than the government's treatment in separating some Illegal immigrants family.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/11/06/how_the_democrats_went_after_cuccinelli

 

[layoutshooter]

Perceptions of what is might just be colored by the viewpoint one is looking from ...

That goes for all.

 

[RLENT]

That goes for all.

Of course - that was implicit in the statement.

 

[layoutshooter]

Of course - that was implicit in the statement.

Which is why I repeated the message. It must be learned by all, even by Micky Mouse. The truth must be spoken.

 

[Turtle]

. The reference to Cuccinelli's immigration stance is incorrect and was taken out of context.

The reference used his own words, in the context in which he said them.

He was commenting that the DC pest control policy of the goverment was MORE HUMANE than the government's treatment in separating some Illegal immigrants family.

Yes he was. Initially. But when it took on a life of its own, rightly or wrongly, he then used that on his Web site for political currency. It was then he, himself who equated an effective immigration policy to effective pest control management on his own Web site.

Like I said, "In subsequent months he reiterated that our immigration policy needs to be just as effective as an effective pest control policy. Even when given a chance to do so, he refused to detail whether he meant relocating immigrants far enough away that they won't come back, or if he advocated killing them and being done with it. Either way he doesn't come off sounding very smart. He only recently, like a few weeks ago, took down his Immigration Control Web site that drove home the correlation between pest control and a sound immigration policy."

 

[muttly]

His statement that took on a life its own was definately wrongly. If people are going to take out of context what he said and put it in an ad to mean something entirely different that is wrong. Is there any other statement he said that reiterates equating pest control and immigration? There are articles from liberal newspapers that continusly made that conclusion from his initial statement. Any other statements he made about pest control and immigration? Because someone makes a comment and it is scurrilously twisted doest mean the person that said it isn't smart. This is from his website
Immigration

 

[muttly]

Seriously Turtle do you really think that Cuccinelli refused to specify if he advocated exterminating lllegal immigrants and do away with them?

 

[muttly]

Regarding the tea party, They are driven by mostly constitutional and economic issues. Abortion and the left's contrived condom issue, not really.

 

[skyraider]

Did Cuccinelli compare immigration policy to exterminating rats? So here is the link.Doubt whether over 500 hundred clicked on it, but there it is. If we had been talking about fuel surcharge now, over 3800 would have read that, just saying. Priorities gentlemen, its all in the priorities.

Immigration problems are probably wearing thin right now, but soon it will be a top priority in the news when we try to elect another idiot for President. I can't wait, but a least the endless paragraphs of nothingness will be of some value to the extremely bored minds in here where the soon to be President promises more jobs and that harangue of stupidly. Mercy, where are you Joe Biden, we need some more jokes to spark our minds into further insignificant data............

 

[witness23]

But as far the left not getting hammered right now because they're the ones making all the decisions (in Washington), not much in your posts really refutes that.

Depends on what you gauge that on. If you watch the news(especially cable news), sure the Democrats aren't looking to good right now, but that has to do with the roll out of Obamacare and rightfully so. For me, I'd rather gauge my opinion on elections for the general mood of Americans. Most Americans are centrists, most Americans do not get their news and opinion from cable news, most Americans do not form their opinions from reading forums, most Americans are not fringe, left or right. So when you live in a bubble and or echo chamber such as most do in here, you'd think the elections would be much, much different. Especially that big election last November. With Congress having the lowest recorded approval rating in history and the "fringe" candidates the Republicans keep backing and losing, I'd have to say the Republicans are the one's getting hammered.

 

[paullud]

With Congress having the lowest recorded approval rating in history and the "fringe" candidates the Republicans keep backing and losing, I'd have to say the Republicans are the one's getting hammered.

I would say that is true right now because the Republican party is becoming divided as the Tea Party pushes to take over along with the fact that conservative voters are more likely to go with a 3rd party candidate.

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[Turtle]

His statement that took on a life its own was definately wrongly. If people are going to take out of context what he said and put it in an ad to mean something entirely different that is wrong. Is there any other statement he said that reiterates equating pest control and immigration? There are articles from liberal newspapers that continusly made that conclusion from his initial statement. Any other statements he made about pest control and immigration? Because someone makes a comment and it is scurrilously twisted doest mean the person that said it isn't smart. This is from his website Immigration

Welcome to the real world of politics, where otherwise smart people say and do things that make them look or sound incredibly stupid. And no amount of spin or backpedaling will fix it.

 

[Turtle]

Regarding the tea party, They are driven by mostly constitutional and economic issues. Abortion and the left's contrived condom issue, not really.

Initially, yes, economic and Constitutional issues. But they were quickly co-opted and turned into something else. The Tea Party doesn't have a single uniform national agenda. The decentralized character of the Tea Party, with its lack of formal structure or hierarchy, allows each autonomous group to set its own priorities and goals. And it's the autonomous groups which make the most noise that are the ones who are in effect running the Tea Party. The original, national Tea Party groups such as the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks have strictly avoided taking on social issues. But the more populous and vocal 9/12 Tea Parties, the Iowa Tea Party, the Delaware Patriot Organizations, and especially TeaParty.org, the largest and most vocal of the bunch, do act on social issues such as abortion, gun control, prayer in schools, and illegal immigration. These are the groups which have co-opted the party into the right wing Republican party. So your statement quoted above really only applies depending on which faction of the Tea Party you are looking at. The Tea Party has literally become the Tea Party Wing of the GOP.

The early Tea Party movement spooked the super rich by expressing rage at Wall Street for wrecking our economy and then rewarding the offending CEOs with enormous bonuses. They were furious with the federal government’s bailout of the most criminally irresponsible Wall Street corporations. Sounds just like the Occupy Wall Street crowd, doesn't it? But then GOP money political consultants co-opted it, rendering it a far cry from its roots, and is now just a gaggle of wackos providing cover for the same people the former movement raged against. Evidence of that being the Wall Street fat cats that the Tea Party formerly vilified now endorse and embrace the movement. Today’s Tea Party is less interested in the bailout mess and the corruption that caused it. Instead it squanders it’s energy on social issue sideshows like gun control, abortion, family values and every other political hot button issue that gets headlines. It's disheartening.

 

[muttly]

Welcome to the real world of politics, where otherwise smart people say and do things that make them look or sound incredibly stupid. And no amount of spin or backpedaling will fix it.

True and also political opponents taking what someone says and make it into something different. I know, that's politics, but how is it an example of a "extremist" view that you gave ,when what he said was taken out of context. Its a wonder why the immigration issue is so divisive and has trouble getting resolved. There is too many political points to be gained I guess. The left, its what they do.

Old Media Helps Obama Push False Rush Limbaugh Immigration Quotes | NewsBusters

 

[Turtle]

I know, that's politics, but how is it an example of a "extremist" view that you gave ,when what he said was taken out of context.

I don't know that it is an "extremist" view, at least not any more extremist than anything else that's taken out of context for political purposes. Somebody can always find a reason to be hugely offended or outraged by something, if it serves their purpose.

 

[RLENT]

Which is why I repeated the message. It must be learned by all, even by Micky Mouse. The truth must be spoken.

Oh ... well, if that's the case I got a whole list of topics where truth needs to get out ...

Lemme know when I should start ...

 

[muttly]

I don't know that it is an "extremist" view, at least not any more extremist than anything else that's taken out of context for political purposes. Somebody can always find a reason to be hugely offended or outraged by something, if it serves their purpose.

I was referring to your previous post where his immigration stance was compared to pest control and an example of "extreme nationalism".