An open letter to Oprah

[Pilgrim]

Incorrect not supporting something because you disagree with that path is in no way sabotage. O had near complete control of government his first two years and could pass anything he wished he chose to focus on healthcare not the econemy. Lets not attempt to rewrite what really happened.

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Let's remember that during those first 2 years Obama and the Democrats crammed ObamaCare legislation down the public's collective throats by procedural slight of hand and without a single GOP vote. It was a massive bill that no one in Congress read, going along with Pelosi's view that they had to pass it to find out what was in it; NOW we're finding out what was in it and that it doesn't work. Is anyone surprised? How many Obama kool-aid drinkers are having their insurance policies cancelled and offered replacements that double premiums and deductibles? Yet Obama and his lackeys stand fast with this disaster, insisting he/they know what's best for the American public.

Even assuming that Obama had the best motives — a desire to see the uninsured covered — his greed to control and regulate the entire health-care system revealed a man without wisdom or prudence. He didn’t realize buying health insurance was so complicated, he explained last Thursday. Anyone who had even run a Kinko’s would know better. He didn’t keep tabs on those who were tasked with creating this massive, hydra-headed system. Perhaps he thought there were no problems in the world that wouldn’t yield to another Obama speech.
C. S. Lewis, who died the day Kennedy was shot 50 years ago this week, warned of soft despots: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Obama?s Soft Despotism | National Review Online

Obama's incompetence will be the reason history remembers him as the worst POTUS ever. ObamaCare is the most obvious example right now, but his foreign policy could overtake that as time passes. Keep in mind nobody's paying much attention to Iran right now, but he's in the process of screwing up that situation too. He is simply in over his head - and that has nothing to do with his racial heritage.

 

[Turtle]

I was referring to your previous post where his immigration stance was compared to pest control and an example of "extreme nationalism".

While he was trying to be humorous, he nevertheless did compare and equate, in context, immigration policy to D.C.'s pest control law. He has a history of being very hard line on immigration, one that fits in with extreme nationalism. In recent times (the last year or so) he's publicly softened that stance (but it also depends on the venue in which he's speaking, as he'll speak to the crowd, no doubt). His former hard line stance on immigration has been removed from his Web site, and his current page on immigration is dedicated solely to debunking that ad. Other views of the more extreme nature (that I don't necessarily disagree with) have also been removed. As the Washington Post points out, he's "hardly the first politician to moderate his views while running for higher office, nor even the first to opt for expedience."

He's a politician, Dood. We get with those what we get.

 

[RLENT]

Keep in mind nobody's paying much attention to Iran right now ...

Oh I think I know of at least one feller that's watching with pretty keen interest:

In fact, it seems to be sucking up major amounts of his time and attention ... one might even say it's become a complete and total fixation ... for the last 15 (?) years or so ...

but he's in the process of screwing up that situation too.

Probably only for the bloodthirsty warmongers ...

BTW - thanks for opening the door ...

 

[layoutshooter]

"He has a history of being very hard line on immigration, one that fits in with extreme nationalism."


What do you consider a "hard line" on immigration? What do you consider "extreme nationalism"?

 

[muttly]

"He has a history of being very hard line on immigration, one that fits in with extreme nationalism."


What do you consider a "hard line" on immigration? What do you consider "extreme nationalism"?

According to the new "moderate majority" he's considered a extremist because Cuccinelli wants to change the automatic citizenship for illegal alien babies, crack down on overcrowded boarding houses for illegals, against amnesty, and according to the low information crowd believe he wants to Orkinize their population.

 

[layoutshooter]

According to the new "moderate majority" he's considered a extremist because Cuccinelli wants to change the automatic citizenship for illegal alien babies, crack down on overcrowded boarding houses for illegals, against amnesty, and according to the low information crowd believe he wants to Orkinize their population.

OK, but what does Turtle think about what I asked? I have NO idea what a "moderate majority" is either.

 

[RLENT]

In fact, it seems to be sucking up major amounts of his time and attention ... one might even say it's become a complete and total fixation ... for the last 15 (?) years or so ...

Of course, Bibi being so concerned over nuclear proliferation is rather ironic ... considering ...

 

[muttly]

OK, but what does Turtle think about what I asked? I have NO idea what a "moderate majority" is either.

Sorry, I decided to answer a question not posed to me. Basically most who lable constitutional conservatives as extremists, establishment types in both partys, and the low information voters who voted for Barry, I sarcastically call moderates.

 

[layoutshooter]

Sorry, I decided to answer a question not posed to me. Basically most who lable constitutional conservatives as extremists, establishment types in both parties, and the low information voters who voted for Barry, I sarcastically call moderates.

No need to be sorry, good info.

 

[RLENT]

Details:

MILCO and Heli Smuggle Nuclear Triggers to Israel

California-based MILCO International Inc. shipped 15 orders totaling 800 krytrons to the Israeli Ministry of Defense between 1979 and 1983. Israeli movie producer Arnon Milchan's Heli Trading Company brokered the transactions. A krytron is a gas-filled tube used as a high speed switch. Export from the US requires a US State Department munitions license because krytrons can be used as triggers for nuclear weapons. The US rejected several requests for krytron export licenses to Israel. MILCO obtained the krytrons from EG&G Inc.

A US Attorney tried to get MILCO President Richard Kelly Smyth to implicate Milchan in the illegal krytron export during plea bargaining. The negotiation failed, and in May, 1984, Smyth was indicted on 30 counts of smuggling and making false statements. Smyth and his wife fled the US and remained at large until captured in Malaga, Spain in July of 2001 after he applied for Social Security benefits. Smyth pled guilty to violating the US Arms Export Control Act. In November, Smyth was sentenced to 40 years in prison and a $20,000 fine, though he was free within four years. In 1985 a Federal Grand Jury was convened in Los Angeles to investigate potential Atomic Energy Act and Arms Export Control Act violations, but no charges were ever filed against Milchan or those who helped Smyth flee the US and covered his expenses abroad.

A 2011 biography called "Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan" claims Milchan was recruited into Israel's LAKAM economic espionage unit in his 20's and became a key operative for Benjamin Blumberg (head of LAKAM), and Rafi Eitan (who ran Jonathan Pollard and infiltrated NUMEC). Milchan is the confidant of Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu. According to the book, Blumberg taught Milchan how to establish front companies and secret bank accounts to launder millions in commissions obtained during LAKAM and Mossad transactions. Milchan encouraged Smyth in 1972 to incorporate MILCO to share profits on export sales with his Tel Aviv-based Milchan Brothers company. Milchan Brothers received purchase orders from Blumberg and sent them via secure telex to Smyth. MILCO did 80 percent of its business with Milchan, including transfers of other US technologies useful to Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons programs. (Gyroscopes, neutron generators, high-speed oscilloscopes, computerized flight control systems.) According to the book, after Smyth was ordered to appear before a federal prosecutor in Los Angeles, Milchan claimed "I felt bad, but I was ordered to cut all contact with Smyth." Milchan officially denies any knowledge of MILCO or Milchan Brothers roles in krytron smuggling

The following FBI files reveal the FBI's interest in Milchan after a confidential informant revealed his ties to Smyth in 1992. The declassified but heavily redacted "secret" communications detail the bureau's fascination with Milchan, from his entry in "Who's Who" to star-studded associates such as Robert Di Niro and an Iran-Contra operative. The final page of the FBI file is a clipping of Thomas Friedman's May, 1985 New York Times interview with Milchan who had quickly left the US for Jerusalem. Milchan told Friedman "that a krytron was a small little gizmo which anyone can go buy freely in the United States. You can use them or all kinds of things, including, incidentally, making cholent." Friedman clarified that "Cholent is a stew of beans, carrots, potatoes and beef that is a traditional Jewish dish prepared on Friday night for eating on the Sabbath. Mr. Milchan said that with a krytron timer a stove could be set to turn on automatically to heat up cholent on the Sabbath without anyone working to light the fire."

Link to source webpage containing links to relevant supporting documents:

MILCO and Heli Smuggle Nuclear Triggers to Israel

 

[Turtle]

"He has a history of being very hard line on immigration, one that fits in with extreme nationalism."


What do you consider a "hard line" on immigration?

Well, at this point, just securing the border with Mexico is a hard line on immigration.

As for what Cuccinelli believes and is thus considered a hard liner on immigration, Muttly managed to put words into my mouth quite successfully, because he's thinks he knows my own personal views on the subject, so there's no point in me giving an answer.

What do you consider "extreme nationalism"?

Not to be confused with patriotism or constitutional conservatives, extreme nationalism is the notion that whatever the nation does is right, correct, and just, even when it's wrong, incorrect and unjust if another country does the same thing, because we're us, and therefore right. Extreme nationalism allows for little else other than force to be used in response to any kind of attack, and promotes national expansion through aggression against others. It also promotes, historically and currently, one goal or another, often a combination of several, some kind of purity and oneness, such as racial, ethnic or religious, or even linguistic. We see that with the conflicts between racial and ethnic groups today, especially in the illegal immigration arena where euphemisms must be created to convey the seething hatred towards others. We see it in those who refuse to even consider amnesty for illegals under any and all circumstances, including for those who were brought here as 6-month old babies, have grown up here, only know this country, and want to kick them out regardless. History does not paint a pretty picture for those with an extreme nationalism bent.

 

[Turtle]

Details:
Link to source webpage containing links to relevant supporting documents:
MILCO and Heli Smuggle Nuclear Triggers to Israel

Despite how wild and varied this thread has become, a topic as specific as Nuttin' Yahoo and Eye-Ran probably belongs in its own thread, where it'll get the attention it deserves. Additionally, I don't think there's much doubt that "Keep in mind nobody's paying much attention to Iran right now..." is in the context of Americans, and that "nobody" wasn't intended to encompass everyone in the whole world, particularly someone who is obsessed with the topic.

 

[RLENT]

Despite how wild and varied this thread has become, a topic as specific as Nuttin' Yahoo and Eye-Ran probably belongs in its own thread, where it'll get the attention it deserves. Additionally, I don't think there's much doubt that "Keep in mind nobody's paying much attention to Iran right now..." is in the context of Americans, and that "nobody" wasn't intended to encompass everyone in the whole world, particularly someone who is obsessed with the topic.

Fair enough ...

 

[layoutshooter]

"Well, at this point, just securing the border with Mexico is a hard line on immigration.

As for what Cuccinelli believes and is thus considered a hard liner on immigration, Muttly managed to put words into my mouth quite successfully, because he's thinks he knows my own personal views on the subject, so there's no point in me giving an answer."
I know that many consider securing the borders, not only the one with Mexico, a hard line on immigration, I was curious as to what your position was. That's all. Rather than assuming I just asked.

Securing the borders, while somewhat related to immigration, is really a different issue. The problems with have with immigration are caused by our government refusing to face the problem. Many reasons for that, politics and power are driving the debate, not the need for a sound, reasonable policy. A secure border is a requirement for the safety of a sovereign nation, that must be done, other wise, no reasonable immigration policy will ever work.

As to your ideas on "extreme nationalism, I agree with that for the most part. Just a few minor departures. Don't have time for more now, I headed out onto the Lake. Debating in here holds no candle to a day on Lake Erie with friends. Real life is almost always better than a cyber one!

 

[layoutshooter]

I was right, REAL life is VASTLY more fun than this cyber world!

 

[witness23]

I was right, REAL life is VASTLY more fun than this cyber world!

Then why do you keep coming back?

 

[layoutshooter]

Then why do you keep coming back?

To annoy you!