About That GNP thingie ....

RLENT

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.... and no - I ain't talkin' 'bout the Gross National Product:

Forget The Nomination: Ron Paul’s “Revolution” Is Taking Over The Republican Party

What little commentary we’ve seen from the media on Ron Paul’s silent coup presently underway in the Republican Party has focused mostly on its implications for the 2012 Republican Primary and whether Paul can hold back Romney’s delegate count just long enough to ensure a brokered convention, which is the only feasible scenario in which Paul could emerge as the party’s nominee.

But perhaps more important and far-reaching in its implications for the future of national politics in the US, is not Ron Paul’s delegate count, but the fact that his supporters are successfully taking over the Republican Party district by district, county by county, state by state. That the fiercely independent Republican congressman from Texas might still have a tiny chance at winning his party’s nomination, while interesting, is less important than what he will most certainly have succeeded at doing: Ron Paul has built a political machine.

Judging by recent events in state and local GOP conventions across the country, it may not be at all presumptuous for Ron Paul’s supporters to call their burgeoning movement a revolution.

In Iowa, it is no exaggeration to say that Ron Paul’s people have taken over the GOP. After a stunning coup on April 21st, the new Iowa GOP state central committee now has six members who have publicly expressed support for Ron Paul’s candidacy– and that includes the new state chair of the Iowa Republican Party, A. J. Spiker, the former vice chairman for Ron Paul’s Iowa campaign!

Think about that. This is major news. It signals a sea change in the Republican Party. We are now living in a world where the head of the Republican Party of Iowa is a Ron Paul supporter.

And it’s not just Iowa, though Iowa is especially significant because of its prominent role in the national primary process. Ron Paul’s supporters are taking over the Republican Party everywhere. This weekend during the April 28th district conventions, Ron Paul supporters also took over the GOP in Louisiana, with not a bare majority, but a whopping 74% of the delegates to Louisiana’s state convention in June. You can bet they’ll show up and you can bet they’ll elect their own to positions of leadership in the state GOP.

It’s the same story in Alaska, where the Ron Paul movement took over the Republican Party’s state convention on Saturday, and elected two Ron Paul supporters to the positions of state chair and co-chair, Russ Millete and Debbie Holland-Brown, respectively. Even in Mitt Romney’s own home state of Massachusetts, Ron Paul’s movement swept the state’s district conventions Saturday, and stacked the slate of delegates bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot in Tampa with activists who will vote for Ron Paul on the second ballot if there’s a brokered convention.

Looking back further to mid-April, Paul’s supporters also dominated conventions in Minnesota and made a strong showing in Colorado. Looking ahead, Paul’s supporters are poised to continue repeating their successful takeover strategy at the Nevada State GOP’s convention this weekend, and careful observers should look out for more possible surprises in the upcoming Texas and California processes, especially with the likelihood of Newt Gingrich’s withdrawal from the race, leaving Ron Paul as the only alternative to an electorate that is hardly enamored with Mitt Romney.

Again, the bigger story here is not Ron Paul’s chances at winning his party’s nomination, but his supporters’ marked success at winning control over the party apparatus itself.

Another important angle here is that what we’re seeing happen in states all over the country completely disproves the pervasive narrative that Ron Paul’s supporters are computer-bound, “armchair activists” that can win online polls but just never show up to vote in person. In fact, we can infer from their apparent tenacity that Ron Paul supporters are actually more energetic than typical Republicans, more likely to show up and vote, and more likely to get more deeply involved in the political process by becoming delegates and attending party conventions at every geographic level.

It now looks more like Paul has suffered in state-wide primaries and straw poll votes not because his supporters lack the energy and follow-through to vote, but because they are merely still outnumbered by voters more inclined to choose one of Paul’s opponents. But while Paul’s camp is outnumbered by people more likely to vote for a Romney or a Santorum on election day, the number of such voters with the energy to get as deeply involved as possible in the party process now appears lower than the number of Ron Paul supporters willing to do the same in states everywhere.

Whether media commentators consider this change a good or bad thing for the Republican Party and for the future of American politics, they have an obligation to report it to their audiences and acknowledge just how significant this change is. We are witnessing no less than a political revolution in the country and a major shift in the GOP’s internal composition. For two election cycles now, Paul’s supporters were an outside minority that had to make their case to the party establishment. It looks like in 2014 and 2016, Republican candidates will have to make their case to Ron Paul supporters in many places.

Start looking for more of Ron Paul’s platform of limited government, individual liberty, and constitutional rule-of-law in the rhetoric and on the agendas of candidates, policy-makers, and party leaders at every level of American government in the years to come.

The Grand Old Party is becoming a Grand New Party.

Forget The Nomination: Ron Paul's Is Taking Over The Republican Party

Stay tuned .... word has it that some very interesting things may just occur this coming week .... :rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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Enjoy the fun. My vote is committed already. It would be fun to see Paul and Obama in a REAL, not the made up type, political debate, only I want to ask the questions. I don't play softball. I play hockey, I would fire 'slap shot pucks' at both of them, not cotton balls. I would also bet the neither of them would fair all that well but I would give Paul an edge.
 

RLENT

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Enjoy the fun.
Oh .... absolutely .... ;)

My vote is committed already.
Fair enough - my hat is off to you for voting your conscience .... if that is what you plan to do ....

It would be fun to see Paul and Obama in a REAL, not the made up type, political debate, only I want to ask the questions. I don't play softball. I play hockey, I would fire 'slap shot pucks' at both of them, not cotton balls.
I'd pay to see it .... :D

I would also bet the neither of them would fair all that well but I would give Paul an edge.
Well, I suspect that he would give you honest answers (at least from his perspective) ...

Possibly better than you could expect from his opponent ....
 

layoutshooter

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I am writing in a name as I have said. I am fed up and far past 'settling'. Paul would have to do a LOT of talking to change my mind IF he somehow pulls this off. Nothing so far has even come close.

I don't doubt that Paul would, at the very least, give honest answers. I have no doubt that Obama would not, he is not capable of honest answers.


I don't believe that many politicians, Paul included, could stand up to real questions from real citizens. No advance warning on those questions, no scripts. Cold turkey. I do believe that Paul would do better than most, but not all that good.
 

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It would be fun to see Paul and Obama go at it. Not very likely though. I think the site references from a Paul supporter is more wishful thinking than anything else.
 

Tennesseahawk

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I heard over the Tea Party that true change starts at the local level. Can't get much more local than at the county level. If this can truly change the way the Republican party stands on issues (like they used to), then I am head over heels in love with this movement! If the radicals of the left are in charge of the Democrat party, then I see it only fair that the radicals on the right be in charge of the Republicans.

I am SO friggen in love!!!
 

RLENT

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It would be fun to see Paul and Obama go at it.
It would be a bloodbath ....

I think the site references from a Paul supporter is more wishful thinking than anything else.
I think that to be generally dismissive re: Paul's candidacy - and the revolution that he has started - would appear on it's face - at least to me - to far be more "wishful" in terms of "thinking" ..... than posting a link that references actual events, that have, in fact, occurred ....

Of course YMMV .... :rolleyes:
 

skyraider

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Maybe there is going to be a new flute in town, well I will be listening to the music, G,C.D7th.
 

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It would be a bloodbath ....


I think that to be generally dismissive re: Paul's candidacy - and the revolution that he has started - would appear on it's face - at least to me - to far be more "wishful" in terms of "thinking" ..... than posting a link that references actual events, that have, in fact, occurred ....

Of course YMMV .... :rolleyes:

Kind of easy to be dismissive based on where things currently stand. If Romney even felt a little bit threatened by the "revolution", he would start spending money in that direction. Not a penny yet but interesting to watch. Who knows, maybe he will convert the Gingrich crowd to votes since he is out?
 

Tennesseahawk

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Kind of easy to be dismissive based on where things currently stand. If Romney even felt a little bit threatened by the "revolution", he would start spending money in that direction. Not a penny yet but interesting to watch. Who knows, maybe he will convert the Gingrich crowd to votes since he is out?

No. Romney is smart keeping his trap shut. To make mention of any kind of revolution by Ron Paul supporters would make voters AND delegates go "Hmm". That's the LAST thing you want to do when the media is already portraying you as having this thing "In the bag".

It may or may not be in the bag for Romney. But this movement is forcing the RINOs to either live with the new rules, or get their own dammed show.
 

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I agree. If I was Romney, I wouldn't acknowlege anything either. No real reason to at this point.
But like all things in politics, just follow the money.
 

layoutshooter

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Romney might do better, for himself AND the Nation, if he did take notice. I am no fan of the 'good doctor' as far as him being president as everyone knows. I do, however, agree with the majority of his goals. IF Romney were politically smart, he would start to embrace SOME of those ideas, start to move in that direction. It would MAYBE bring along some Paul supporters, enough to get rid of Obama, AND IF he truly made that move, push the ideas into the mainstream where the press could no longer hid them.

All politics is local, as to date, local candidates with similar ideas, tend to lose. They are not good at getting the idea of freedom across.
 

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That is the problem. Some ideas might work but in a general election, it is much different. Have to appeal to the independants if you are going to stand any chance of winning and that takes any percieved ideas off the table that the majority would consider radical.
Look at Paul's votes so far. He can get a crowd, but can't translate those people into votes.
 

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It not possible that every ballot box in the country is being tampered with to keep Paul out of office.

I live in a TINY little area. People where I live know those who handle the votes on a personal basis. Shoot, my state Rep even returns calls HIMSELF. (I know that is hard to believe but it is true. The Democrat before him did not) I believe the counts they put out after the Michigan primary. I think Paul got about 30 votes. Romney got about 200 if I remember right.

IF Paul were able to draw massive numbers of voters he would be able to overcome the manipulaton.
 

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It not possible that every ballot box in the country is being tampered with to keep Paul out of office.

I live in a TINY little area. People where I live know those who handle the votes on a personal basis. Shoot, my state Rep even returns calls HIMSELF. (I know that is hard to believe but it is true. The Democrat before him did not) I believe the counts they put out after the Michigan primary. I think Paul got about 30 votes. Romney got about 200 if I remember right.

IF Paul were able to draw massive numbers of voters he would be able to overcome the manipulaton.

Can't rule out a isolated incident, but most is conspiracy theories. If there was anything to it, the MSM and the dems would be all over it. Just no real proof. Just made up stuff when Paul performs badly.
 

AMonger

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Can't rule out a isolated incident, but most is conspiracy theories. If there was anything to it, the MSM and the dems would be all over it. Just no real proof. Just made up stuff when Paul performs badly.

The discrepancy between exit polls and results says otherwise. Add to that the confirmed dirty tricks the Republican establishment plays, county-by-county, and that voting machines have been shown to be wholly unreliable... Even where voting machines aren't used, dirty trickery has been confirmed, like Maine. Just like Gore in Florida, sometimes all they need is some extra time to do their "work" with the ballot boxes, like Al Franken in Minnesota, to come up with ballots in the trunk of someone's car...

I doubt very much there's been an honest national election in our lifetimes.

And the Demon-crats and media have even more to lose than the Republicans if Dr. Paul is elected; no way they're going to do anything other than give the Republicans tips on election fraud from their vast experience with it, and applaud when it works.
 

AMonger

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It not possible that every ballot box in the country is being tampered with to keep Paul out of office.

I live in a TINY little area. People where I live know those who handle the votes on a personal basis. Shoot, my state Rep even returns calls HIMSELF. (I know that is hard to believe but it is true. The Democrat before him did not) I believe the counts they put out after the Michigan primary. I think Paul got about 30 votes. Romney got about 200 if I remember right.

IF Paul were able to draw massive numbers of voters he would be able to overcome the manipulaton.

They don't need to do it with every ballot box in the country. They can eliminate the safe ones, where people like their gimmes, whet people depend on the government gravy train. They can slim innate the ones they think Dr. Paul will win with much of a margin. All they need to focus on is the ones that are close, and not even all of them. A little demographic info and a little math tells them where they need to siphon a few here and there, and voting machines make it easy.

In caucus states, they just disregard the rules, disallowing some votes or Paul's people access to positions in the party, or outright canceling caucuses Paul is about to win.

And the need for that declines as the primary goes on. If they do that well enough in the early primaries and caucuses, like Iowa and Marine, they know a substantial portion of the electorate is dimwitted enough to vote for who they think may win instead of the best man, and then they only need to do a little here and there.
 

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I still think you are on conspiracy theories. Or.....Paul has no interest in winning and keeps quiet. Or if he did want to win, then he would be the first to go public and say something.
As long as he doesn't say anything, there isn't much credibility from third party sources.
 

Tennesseahawk

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I still think you are on conspiracy theories. Or.....Paul has no interest in winning and keeps quiet. Or if he did want to win, then he would be the first to go public and say something.
As long as he doesn't say anything, there isn't much credibility from third party sources.

If he says something about it, then he's a sore loser, and then he'll get no votes AND no money.
 
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