A wave of new Expediters?

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
A few observations: it's real easy to get outraged at the 'excessive' wages paid to the autoworkers, but those wages could never have reached those heights without the approval of the management. (Who can't demand reasonable wages, having set the bar so ludicrously high for their own salaries first.)
Most folks who yell about the union 'rules' have never belonged to a union, or they would know that it's not the union protecting the lazy workers, it's the shop foremen, who are afraid to write up violations, for fear of retaliation on a personal level - I've seen that many times, with my own eyes.
Union jobs are classified to prevent management from abusing the workers - same as we drivers get accessorial pay for extra work.
When you think an assembly job look easy, think about doing it hundreds or thousands of times every day - the human body wasn't designed to perform repetitive motion, and will protest, (often quite painfully). After eight years in a factory, I have permanent damage to my hands - luckily, my job went south, before the disability got too great, eh? I would have continued working there, because I needed the money, (like everyone else.)
All the outrage directed at the workers, and none at the root of the problem, which is the "labor vs management" attitude taken from the beginning, is a classic triumph of deflection. The workers are highly visible, whereas the management are not. But the workers are also highly regulated, with every aspect of their job defined and measured, from time clocks to production quotas. The same does NOT apply to management - they can be (and often are) paid 1000 times as much as an hourly worker, with zero demands for competence - in fact, when they are exceptionally incompetent, they get paid handsomely, to go away! Where's the outrage for that kind of setup?
Instead of being outraged that the union workers make so much money, I think we ought to be outraged that the rest of the working class makes so little! (Note to Greg: did it never occur to you that Americans demand cheap goods, because it's what they can afford to pay for, given their wages? It's not coincidental that WalMart rose to the top as the economy changed from manufacturing to retail: the pay scale is much less, and the benefits are going the way of the good paying jobs, too)
Greed is what is destroying America, and that's what I consider outrageous..
 

miguy1957

Expert Expediter
How about those silly O/O that get $1.20/ mi at 60mph they are grossing $72.00/hr for just holding a steering wheel are they over paid???
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
How about those silly O/O that get $1.20/ mi at 60mph they are grossing $72.00/hr for just holding a steering wheel are they over paid???

That statements proves how much you know about being an o/o. The truck is the one getting paid 1.20 a mile not the person who owns it and drives it. Plus if you think that all that goes into being a driver of any kind o/o or not is just holding a steering wheel and earning big bucks you have another thing coming.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Memo to Cheri

Subject: Cheap Goods

Cheri,
I got your note of the 26th advising me that it is that Americans demand cheap goods. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I have to explain.

I already know this and have said a few times the people are stupid for chasing the cheapest item instead of the better quality item.

Just so you understand that I am looking at more of the effect that the shifting of jobs from a manufacturing base to a service base has had and know that people can’t afford what they used to. My very state, Michigan suffers from three ailments, a government that is not in tune with reality, a governor that should be recalled and a population that is stupid enough to put her back in office when we could have had someone who knew how to attract businesses to the state. We are, for all intent and purpose the last in many lists, like growth, education and industries. But the one thing we are number one in people leaving the state, the use of moving companies and U-haul rentals, the last we top the list by 50%.

About the subject of autoworkers and Expediting, I stand firm in my belief that many autoworkers who will get settlements and payout have no clue what to do with the money, hence will take expediting as a short term vacation type stop gap measure to limit boredom.

I also know that it is not coincidental that the box store, Wal-Mart in particular, has gained market share and pushed out other many traditional retailers who supported the higher wages.

In closing, I do not fault the auto worker for his/her wage, I fault them for being complacent (or at least the ones I know, read about and hear on the news). The real fault is with the auto companies, they can’t build cr*p and expect people to buy it, their overall quality is still inferior to even motorcycle companies and they have to figure out that it is not retirement, it is not health care, not the wage of the worker but it is truly the product that matters. Until then, I can’t be positive about the companies or the products. I actually feel empathy for the auto worker and wish they were still working at what ever wage.

Greg
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Are deese here new wave expediters any ting like dem punk rock expediters? Nutin but a bunch of loud noise. Damn kids nowadaze.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I already know this and have said a few times the people are stupid for chasing the cheapest item instead of the better quality item.

Stupid? I don't agree - it's a matter of resources, not intelligence. Just as Turtle pointed out that obesity is more common on the low end of the economic scale, (because the cheapest foods are mostly empty calories, instead of nutrition), it has nothing to do with what you know, and everything to do with what you can afford to spend.
I'm sure a number of ex-auto workers will decide to try expediting - that's one of the freedoms we enjoy in America: to choose our occupation. To succeed at it, though, is a whole 'nother ballgame. Some will, and some won't - just like the rest of us.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I'm sure a number of ex-auto workers will decide to try expediting - that's one of the freedoms we enjoy in America: to choose our occupation. To succeed at it, though, is a whole 'nother ballgame. Some will, and some won't - just like the rest of us.
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Don't you think that this will have some adverse affects on the expedite industry? I mean expedite freight is mostly automotive freight. At least it always was for me. I hauled other things, but it was mainly auto stuff.

The point I'm making here is when the plants close the pie gets smaller. Then when the out of work auto workers get in expedite, which they have every right to, you have more people wanting a piece of a smaller pie. Doesn't sound good to me. I think they will have a harder time at success than someone who got in say 5-10 years ago, but what do I know.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Of course it will have an adverse effect on those who haul a lot of automotive freight - but not all of us do. (I haul very little automotive, myself.) One would think, though, that the planners at those carriers would have predicted this development some time ago, and prepared for it - it's hardly a big surprise, no?
What you say about finding it harder to succeed than it was years ago is true - for the employment picture overall, not just expediting. The jobs that are available don't pay much, or have much in the way of benefits, tend to be located a fair distance from where folks live, and still the competition is fierce.
It's pretty discouraging, for those who want to work, and pay their bills, and maybe even support a family.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Lots of good paying jobs in Cheyenne WY...they had to close a mine because they don't have enough people to run it...$20 plus an hour...maybe some could move? Sadly as a couson says 8 out of 10 that apply fail the drug test!!!!
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Yes, it's that "home" thing again. Just think what being "barn sour" costs the current expediters everyday. Many will consider this a "home based" business, and get a real fool'in, steada taking their skills and a suitcase, and get a real job. Somewhere.

Can't imagine why someone would want to live around southern Michigan, or the rust belt anyway.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I heard Montana is needing oil rigging ppl. Pays around $30/hr. Who wants to go to boonieland tho? There's no one out there who will find the money, like Ark's granddad did. Instead, they collect unemployment, then welfare. No wonder our economy is going to hell in a socialist handbasket.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Also North Dakota is starting to drill and explore again and so is South Dakota.....help wanted signs galore.....but oh no... stay in Michigan and get taxed to death

I am seriously considering going hotshot in the Tri-state area out here....SD, ND, Montana...lotsa work!!

BTW...commercial truck sales tax is only 3% in SD....a whack of savings
 
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Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Newbies that think this occupation will pay $20 an hour are in for a rude awakening. It may pay the min. wage. But higher fuel prices are coming and I don't see freight prices going up and FSC never is enough to offset that. Good Luck guys, come on in. Get your feet wet. he he he he $20 an hour for trucking. Ain't gonna happen.
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
How about those silly O/O that get $1.20/ mi at 60mph they are grossing $72.00/hr for just holding a steering wheel are they over paid???

The driver probably only makes 50 cents a mile... which is only $35 an hour... or 6 times the pay a guy makes standing over a hot stove, flipping burgers.

You forgot that DOT regulations requires the driver to sleep 10 to 13 hours a day... while there are no regulations for the minumum wage earner working 2 or 3 jobs and maybe getting 3 hours of sleep a day.

Oh... and salesmen, teachers, news repoters, actors... all those people don't work.. they just sit around talking all day.

The population of this country is 300 million.
100 million are retired.
That leaves 200 million to do 'the work'.
There are 100 million are too young, or in school and college.
That leaves 100 million to do 'the work'.
70 million are unemployed or staying at home, and 30 million are directly employed by the government.
That leaves 1 million to do 'the work'.
200,000 are in the armed or security forces, 200,000 are employed overseas, leaving 600,000 to do 'the work'.
There are 420,000 people in hospitals, and 179,000 in prison.

That leaves 2 people to do 'the work'.

You and me!

And since you are doing nothing but reading this, its obvious that I'm doing ALL THE WORK !
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
Lots of good paying jobs in Cheyenne WY...they had to close a mine because they don't have enough people to run it...$20 plus an hour...maybe some could move? Sadly as a couson says 8 out of 10 that apply fail the drug test!!!!

I was on a construction job summer before last and we needed laborers (starting at $15/hr)... but 90% of the people who came in and inquired never came back when we told them to go take the drug test and bring back the results.

Nationwide, the US incarcerates more than 2 million people at an estimated yearly cost of over 40 billion dollars. 30 billion dollars is needed to build and operate additional prisons. The large majority of inmates are there for drug related violations.

Since 1995 tax payers spent more money to build and maintain prisons than colleges. Every inmate serving a life sentence cost tax payers 1.5 million dollars.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Let me see. 50 cents per mile. Sits on the average 1 to 2 days at the normal rate for his next load. No pay by the way for sitting. Does another load at 50 cents a mile. Sits on the average 1 to 2 days, oops its the weekend. Not at home not making any money and I have ran 2 loads averaging 500 miles each. I have made $500 before taxes and I have been away from my family for 7 days now. Sorry my friend. If I am away from my home and family every hour is at work. This would have me making $71.42 per day. I am in the truck for 24 hours per day making my hourly wage $2.97 per hour. Whoopeee. Do the math. You may be a young person with no home or immediate family, then this may not apply to you. But if you are in the expedite business and are not on a dedicated run and running single the math is correct.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
maybe you should consider some college course on the internet... that way you could be paid to go to school
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
Let me see. 50 cents per mile. Sits on the average 1 to 2 days at the normal rate for his next load. No pay by the way for sitting. Does another load at 50 cents a mile. Sits on the average 1 to 2 days, oops its the weekend. Not at home not making any money and I have ran 2 loads averaging 500 miles each. I have made $500 before taxes and I have been away from my family for 7 days now. Sorry my friend. If I am away from my home and family every hour is at work. This would have me making $71.42 per day. I am in the truck for 24 hours per day making my hourly wage $2.97 per hour. Whoopeee. Do the math. You may be a young person with no home or immediate family, then this may not apply to you. But if you are in the expedite business and are not on a dedicated run and running single the math is correct.


I don't know why you do it. Why is business so slow? Why are there so many ads for expedit drivers if there isn't freight to be moved? Is it because so many drivers are quitting?

Have you tried to find your own loads? Can you do that with your company?

I guess there are other options.... maybe you could pull a travel trailer and you would always be at home? Anyone doing that?

You could swipe a squeegy and clean windshiels for spare change while you are waiting at a truckstop. It wouldn't take much change to make $3 an hour.... which is a 3 cent raise.

Ok.. that last suggestion wasn't so funny. But if you are only making $3 an hour it may be time for a change. There are many security jobs that pay around $12 an hour and you only have to stay semi-awake to do them.... and if you DO fall asleep no one will get killed.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
There are 168 hours in a week....if your available 100% of the time $10.00 an hour would be $1680 per 7 day week....I doubt anyone but teams maybe doing that...soooo at $5.00 /hr would be $840/ 7 day week. Anyone close yet...or should we divide one more time???
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
Cher1122 & Turtle,
I am not looking for an argument, but I also read the Article about obese people. Saying Mississippi had the most Obese people. IT IS NOT FOR LACK OF MONEY it's a LIFE STYLE CHOICE. I'm, 5'9" weigh 162 lbs. I have lived on Rice and Pasta, salads most of my life. In 2000 I was packing groceries in a Super Market, the women & men would come to check out with their Red, white, & Blue welfare credit card. Loaded up with Pizza, Chips, Store brand soda. No soups. Rice, Pasta, Fruits. They have someone else paying the Freight. They shop for FREE, someone else is paying the RENT, clothing their children. There obese because they will double park at the door instead of walking 50 feet to get to the Motorized shopping cart.
 
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